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I'm saying this respectfully to everyone else's opinion here, but there is a lot of difference between spec and actual usage. The S1Rii has been a dream so far in use, sure the body is not as elevated feeling as the OG, but in actual use it's probably one of my all time fav overall. The sensor output is fantastic, See below, this was a random snap and just for fun I decided to see if it could be salvaged (excuse the messy house/ I have 2 little kids), Results are better than anything I've ever shot with except for maybe the GFX series, (but very close) As well the sensor for my liking just sings with my vintage glass, the portrait is with a 58 Hellios from a commercial shoot. I know they may be lack lustre on the spec page, but in actual use, they just deliver.... hence I have more Lumix's in my bag along with a canon and fuji!

Yeah, smaller sensors really don't bother me EXCEPT in the low light department. 1" was the minimum I was willing to go, given I would be shooting in a lot of lower light situations without professional lighting. If you WERE looking for shallow depth of field, it's obtainable with a little work. I tested dozens of camcorders when starting my streaming business in 2016. The DVX200 was by far my favorite, in terms of both use and image, but was just too expensive. So we went the Sony PXW-Z70 route, since we needed 4 and they were half the price of the DVX200 at the time. The DVX200 was an excellent camera, but it's $5000 price tag wasn't feasible for us. If I was going with a camcorder today I think I'd go with the DVX200 myself. It's everything I love about Lumix cameras, but in a camcorder body. Camcorders really haven't progressed much in the last 10 years. Even the newest models have specs that are essentially the same as the 10 year old DVX200, and most of those are in the $3000 and up price range. The biggest changes since have mostly been 4k60p (DVX200 has that), 10-bit, and more robust streaming options as that's the primary use for a lot of these cameras these days. Most of the "professional" camcorders in your price range that you can get new are the handycam style and don't really have many more buttons than you'd find on a mirrorless camera. That might not be so much of an issue though if your primary reason is just wanting that ability to power zoom. JVC also has some decent spec'd cameras for very reasonable prices new, but I'd definitely try them out before going that route, as the camcorders that I did try of theirs were very plasticky. I just wasn't convinced of they'd stand up to heavy use in a combat sports environment. Even the LS300 cinema camera they came out that I owned and loved was very plasticky. Plus their menus were straight out of the 90s! Frankly my experience starting that streaming company was the reason I ditched camcorders for mirrorless in my other video work. It was hard to justify paying a lot more for a camcorder that was less capable than mirrorless cameras that were half their price. Plus they were just more versatile, being able to change lenses. But boy do I miss those nice chunky camcorder bodies with all buttons on the side of the camera that you needed to change settings without having to dive into the menus. Not to mention the power zoom! Keep us posted and share your thoughts on what you do get!

I have no idea how marketing really works or what effective marketing looks like (sales, of course, but I have no insights there). But in theory, leaks get people all psyched to watch the release video. It gets them free airtime on dozens of podcasts, discussions on tons of message boards, etc. The real problem comes when the hype has been cranked up to ... well, a solid 7.3 (it is Panasonic, after all) and the release is a 4. If people are hoping that Panasonic is about to drop an S1H II and they come out with the S9, there's instead unhappiness and backlash and almost all of the release day coverage is people complaining about the camera. And then, like the S9, people start to come around and say "Oh, that's actually a nice camera." If Panasonic just teed up "we have a new ultra-small camera for creators coming," the day 1 reception might be delight instead of dismay!

I've debated myself the aesthetic qualities of small sensor videocameras. At this juncture I'm willing ti sacrifice overall "bokeh potential" if the videocamera is more practical than a DSLR/MILC for video. Yep, coincidentally I'm finding that DVX200 one of the better options out there. It definitely ticks all the boxes. As for the Sony, I didn't even know to existed. I'll def have a look at it. Not really a Sony fan in the photo world, but they have produced very good vide cams for decades, so that seems like a really good option. All those cinema camera sound great, but I'm looking for extreme practicality with an integrated zoom lens. So I'm gonna pass on those big censored fiends.

Yes please (Canon does support LANC), I would much rather do with an integrated zoom lens. I'm tired of waffling around with DSLRs/MICSs and their photo-centric lenses. As you stated, all those big sensor cine cameras produce beautiful images, but non have integrated zooms. Buying one of their integrated zooms would far exceed my budget,

I loved that about Panasonic as well, the ability to stand out from the others. They have completely lost the plot and are becoming a TEMU Sony. The cost cutting is clear to see as well, so maybe they had the choice of leave the market or cut back. Which is just business-speak for a slow death isn't it?

That’s about the sum of it, at least regarding lenses. The f1.8 primes are decent and the 50mm f1.4 apart from the weight is stellar, but otherwise…

I am more photo orientated, Why should i buy this if you can I buy a s5II for a lot less? While nikon and sony, are showing off impressive glass like 28-70 f2, 50-150 f2 , a 200-600 telezoom, a 135mm f1.8, a 35mm f1.2 Best thing Panasonic can come up with is an 26mm pinhole, a 24-60 f2.8 zoom in the contested space with sigma zooms, a 28-200 that that nobody cares about, at least the 18-40 was somewhat novel. Its sigma that really keeps the L mount alive. Leica is like a venn diagramm meme with almost no overlap. it does it own thing and nobody else seems to care. How many panny f1.4 primes do we have? one!! How many >300mm zooms does panny have? *cricket noises* powerzooms: we lost the technology after our micro four thirds Also from the makers of small and compact micro for thirds camera's, in their infinite wisdom they decided that the best way to upgrade the heavy,rugged S1, is a smaller camera with lightweight lenses!

My S1 seeing the body of its successor:

I thought this was interesting: https://www.filmsupply.com/articles/j-cut-vs-l-cut/ Helps to understand the relationship between audio and video and how each engages the audience.

That would be and has been my approach and adding my own stamp to it.

I agree. They are, but I think some other things are much more significant e.g. the huge improvements in image stabilization performance are game changing if (like me) you prefer to shoot handheld (I own a couple of tripods and monopods, but they don't get used very often).

Agree and just another example of the utter muppetry that is Lumix’s ‘marketing’.

I don't know how forum discussions at speculation stage translates to more sales. I understand that it may generate some "oh maybe this is my dream camera" inner thoughts, but there will be also post nut clarity after real specs and performance revelation moment. I mean you need discussions AFTER the press release, not before. Because if the new thing is not boring, people would discuss about it for months.

I would tend to disagree with a lot of users here. The price seems outrageous for what you get, but I do think a more compact S1 style image with lower rolling shutter and a body recording 32bit audio would basically check all the boxes I could think of needing. I don't need to chase other features. I do worry about over-sharpening though, as was the case with the s5II.

In many cases, I'm pretty sure that the leaks are actually part of the marketing strategy for the manufacturers. They just want to be able to control how and when the leaks come out. Look how the trickle of leaks has inspired discussion on this forum. If Panasonic simply said they were releasing a camera on May 14 and then released it on that day with no leaks, it would be discussed here for maybe a week after (maybe less judging by the reactions above) and then a bit more when real people start receiving them. Instead, it's discussed for more than 2 weeks. The latam leak seems legit accidental, though - and I can't see it now. Judging by the discussion around it, I don't think I care much about that. Guessing it'll be a 6K camera that looks a lot like a camera (to judge by the leaked photos) and will have some fans and some detractors.

Yes, I hear you, but I look at my countless videos that I've made with Panasonic cameras (GX7, GX85, GH6, G100, VX980, GX800, GM1, GX880, S5ii and GH2) and I think they look great. All the things people say about getting nth degree AF, IQ, and resolution are really just small potatoes in the grand scope of thing. The thing is I get MORE satisfaction out of a camera that is a slight challenge to make intentional choices rather than a camera filled with AI choosing for me. I feel like spring cleaning is on the horizon, getting rid of crap I don't need and trying to back to the essentials. I want more in-focus, not less. I want more tripod shots, not less. I want easier in post, not harder. I want less megapixels, not more (BTW, as those around me get older, more megapixels is not doing them justice). Finally, I want fewer variables, not more. I'm so impressed with what @kye has been doing. He's really capturing some nice compositions and looks.

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Yes, having been a happy user of the 14-140mm F3.5-5.6 for over a decade (I'm on my 2nd copy after my 10 year old original got too much dust inside), it's a great travel/everyday lens. Problem is that Panasonic don't make a modern equivalent of the GX85/GX9 to create the perfect travel combo for video with Dual-IS and no-crop 4K...

All cameras will suffer from moiré in some contexts even with an OLPF. There are numerous examples of this. Also, the Z6iii had way bigger problems at launch (shadow-flicker gate). Higher megapixel cameras, in general, will have fewer problems with moiré in my opinion.

That is where I am at with old Pannyboy. Moved over to them from Fuji as I felt I wanted to be in full frame rather than APSC for both stills and video. Initially continued with APSC video, albeit in L Mount flavour and in non-log before upping my game in that regard also. I feel I have now reached 'peak set up' for my video needs with L Mount and just about there on my stills needs with a combo of Sony & Nikon. I don't need Lumix/L Mount to develop any further. I would have liked to have seen them do so, but the signs are now that they have stagnated. Big time. The S9 was and is OK and works for my needs. I could make a case for the S1Rii, but it would be a sideways move. For video, lens-wise, I'm covered. For stills though, I have one last fairly big decision to make. Well not so much make as I have already made it and that is re. a specific lens and when that happens, it also makes sense to go over whole hog, to Sony/e-Mount for both stills and video. It could not work for me in the other direction ie, there are still big holes for me in the stills department with L Mount. So sorry Lumix, the writing is on the wall. My wall at least. Nothing wrong with what you are currently providing for me, but I doubt very much whether I will be with you beyond October of this year. And that is on you.

Yes but that's is what the S1ii is supposed to deliver, the 50fps 4k. But it's a piece if shit if it suffers from the same moiré that plagues the Z6iii and the s5ii anyway. And supposedly for 3500 euros 🤣

Well most of us were just waiting on 50fps 4k full frame. I hope everything else improved as well. Like a better monitor, better colors etc. Prores raw internal is a bummer as resolve does not support it natively.

Specifications on the S1iiE leaked: https://latam.connect.panasonic.com/mx/es/productos/lumix/lumix-s1iie Not very exciting apart from the Arri logC information. Between the lines this seems to carry a tweaked IMX410 once again.