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  Price!! Minimum shooting price is $3000 + $299 battery + $200 SSD + $100 vari-ND. Stick it on your tripod, shoot ProRes and you don't need to upgrade your editing rig. So a long way off $6500 C100 price for a better image. Same Canon lenses.

Here's part two....  The closer shots are done with a Kowa 16-S and Helios combo.     [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUzEP63sH7M&hd=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUzEP63sH7M&hd=1[/url]  

A scrip is brewing in my head. A comic parrody of the Moire Fear Mongering. I fear it will be a hit ;)

  me neither because I haven't ordered one!  :P   I'm just joking around.  use what you've got.  I've been searching for some pro serviced retro tech cams to shoot some old VHS-C. just some particular projects I have in mind set in the 80's.     but seriously for me camera blocking, fiction, technique, and then finally acting are the most thrilling and awarding things.  a good DP can light whatever.  cinema verite, exterior dynamic range theory, practice or highlight rolloff from skies...i mean seriously that's not what filmmaking is about.  paper/spec marketing seems to have owned the new generation of filmmaking enthusiasts and the only ones winning are camera manufacturers.  they're not really writing screenplays

  @bruno Yes, it would almost seem as if I was talking to a different person... which I was. I had just typed the wrong name. Sorry about that. :) Fixing it now. It should make more sense in a minute.

There are no cameras out there that do what the Epic does.  Internal S35 highspeed raw.  REDraw is amazing, as has been stated above.  It fires right into Premiere, and REDCineX is a great tool for colouring.  And there's a long ass waiting list to get one now that the price has dropped.     Red's also delivering RedRay players and soon, projectors.  And they're putting together a 4K digital distribution network for theatres and individuals.  As far as I can tell, they're crushing it, and they're not going anywhere.   I think that it's more likely Canon will be in trouble.  C300s and especially C500s are going to be very hard sells at their current prices.  The HDSLRs are crippled and over priced, and the lens business is getting more competitive every year.

You can't compare the 'ludicrousness' of 11 stops of dynamic range recorded in 8-bit at 50Mbps to 13 stops of dynamic range recorded in 12-bit raw at 1.1Gbps.  Sorry, you just can't.

  Look it really is time to nail this argument down so hard it can never get up again.   By your logic Super 16mm which is a 2.7x crop is also ludicrous. OK but didn't stop The Queen, Black Swan and Moonrise Kingdom being made on it. They're some of the best looking films I've seen in the past 2 years if not THE best looking.   Remind me of the advantages of a full frame sensor. So you can defocus everything apart from a tiny sliver of hair? Oh please... It looks rubbish. This is not cinema. In low light at fast apertures, my 5D Mark III makes focus unmanageable at close distances. You cannot shoot a film this way.   Like I say if a 2.7x crop is good enough for Darren Aronofsky then 2.3x is good enough for you. Super 16mm films have won multiple Oscars throughout history and nobody complained about the lack of shallow DOF or the film stock being ludicrous! Do you realise how silly it sounds?   It isn't even a 2.3x crop factor over the C300. It is a 1.6x crop versus the C300 which is what you are comparing it to, not a photographic camera with a video mode tacked on the back.   Super 35mm - the cinema standard - is not the same as full frame.