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I really do believe people need to cut them some slack.   It took a company with a backing of millions of dollars (Red) years to deliver their first camera and it was very late.   These guys have what, $150,000 from Kickstarter? That is peanuts.   They are delivering a camera which does 2.4K from a global shutter for $3000!!!   This will be a fine back-up for the Blackmagic where rolling shutter would be an issue on the BMCC CMOS sensor.   The image quality from the samples so far look great.   The form factor is fine, it is is still a picture making box like all the other cameras. I don't see what is wild and weird about it. The handle comes off and you can rig it up like a DSLR or put it on a tripod. I do prefer the Epic's form factor but there were very few complaints about the original Bolex's form factor, and tons of interesting 16mm stuff was shot with just the handle and nothing else.

I remember Stargate Universe was shot on a Genesis, and that was a nice looking show. You'd see the occasional vertical flare from the CCD sensor, but it still looked good. Anyway, I agree with ScreensPro above, that hopefully all this technology will tail off like what has happened with audio. In the audio world, the digital gear now is about as good as it will get. For anybody wanting to spend big money on gear for an improvement in sound quality, the only real options are expensive outboard gear. Old compressors, preamps and valve gear. Technology that's been around for 50 years or more. Even analog synthesizers have made a come back, and with cv gate sockets too that previously died off back in the early 80s. So for cameras, once they peak, I imagine the only real investment to be made will be in lenses. Cameras that can shoot RAW may become more popular, but in the same way as people have been able to record audio at 24/32 bit 192khz for many years now, most will probably not bother with it.

A Hollywood workhorse to this day, the Sony F35 (also rebadged as Panavision Genesis) is a Super 35mm PL mount digital cinema camera and also an extraordinarily good deal on the used market in 2013. It has 14 stops of dynamic range and a global shutter. It has taken CMOS sensor in the F65 a full five years to surpass the CCD sensor in the F35 / Genesis, which was used to shoot Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland, Superman Returns and Apocalypto.

I finally had a chance to take my Lomo square front (OCT18 mount) out: [center]http://vimeo.com/44522585 [/center] I actually meant to shoot more footage for a stronger shot sequence but the Lomo is the MOST frustrating lens that I have EVER worked with! It also delivers my favorite image! Very, very cinematic. I bought mine from au8ust on eBay and it is immaculate. Truly a beautiful piece of glass. But the design of the lens is very frustrating. The anamorphic and spherical elements are held together by one small tab (i.e. one point of contact) and focusing is extremely difficult. The front element is very heavy and if I ever tilt the lens down, gravity causes the two elements to separate, distorting the image. And even with the stopper that I added to the Velbon support track to keep the front element from falling off completely, tilting up or down puts the weight on the taking lens makes turning the focus ring very difficult. I have never cursed so much at a lens and many of my shots were not usable. But there is an [i]incredible[/i] look here, probably my favorite of all of my lenses, and I am determined to make it work. I am currently working on a few tweaks that may make it much more usable. One more thing: This is not a low profile lens. Every single person who walked by stopped to ask what it was, which was kind of distracting.

My newest song. I'll do a proper music video later on. Listen with headphones.   The camera somehow got in an interlaced mode for some of these clips, that or I had some hack settings wrong. I almost threw all these clips out, but I'm glad I didn't. I think it actually adds to the look and feel of the video in a strange way.    http://vimeo.com/58524262

Having good onboard audio is always a plus. With quality increasing and price dropping the lines have been blurred between what is professional and what is prosumer. I think many of the complaints are not taking into account a perspective outside your own.   I know that many documentarians will love this camera as it has some sense of spirit and life to it, rather than being a dull functional box, and having audio will allow people to be a one man band, which is where everything is headed anyways.   I think the pistol grip is kind of cool. It is an aesthetic allusion to the old home movie cameras. I think most normal non film people would say this camera looks cool and actually looks like a camera, not a hard drive with a hole for a lens.   Also, if you read their blog you will notice that they are taking their time instead of releasing a version that then later needs to be immediately updated, like something Apple would do.   It's hard for me to see anything wrong with this camera. And if it never makes it to market, it will still have an impact because it's another warning shot across the bow of the big camera companies. The market is changing.

What a nice and romantic project, doubt this will ever go anywhere. By the time they are ready to produce in masses (if they ever will be), consumer camcorders will be on the level of a sony f55.   Kudos though for trying.

  That's all very relative, it wouldn't be that hard to stick a couple of quality preamps in a camera and then add it to the videofile at 24 bit resolution, it's all you need from those devices, a way to plug your xlr mics, power them and measure audio levels, do you think it's that hard to get it right in a camera (if that's the manufacturer's wish)?   When you say "These systems are perfectly fine for film production", I know many audio guys that would argue otherwise, it's like saying that a Canon Rebel is perfectly fine for film production, which it could definitely be. Also you're talking about "film production" when I was talking about "single shooters".   This guy would also disagree: http://youtu.be/KKVeBqhXMvM

they need to quit that silly body shape, stick the electronics in a square die cast housing, whack a c mount on the front and sell the damn thing.  I don't know what is taking them so long.  they are dreaming while living off a load of money pledged by kickstarter backers..  Just how the BMCC isn't a viable business move, neither is this.  Both are not economically viable, silly ideas by people who dont understand manufacturing.  

  Sorry, I stopped reading here.  There are no camera audio systems that will outperform these.  These systems are perfectly fine for film production, something no DSLR audio system or camcorder system or even the audio on a CineAlta can say.   Shooting to in-camera because external devices are a pain in the ass is the shooter being lazy.  If they can afford $3K or $6K or $12K they can afford to, and learn to, do it right, especially if they're shooting anything that warrants more quality or attention that what you'd get out of an iPhone.

  I don't think there's a shortage of small, intelligent films at all. What seems to be in extinction these days however, are the big, intelligent films!

  I think you just described the Sony F55 ;)

And in this post they didn't mention one of the coolest improvements: full sensor recording, perfect for anamorphic!

  Set phasers to fun!  

Telling for the future of cinema. Why don't those story-wise timeless re-releases gross the big money they used to? It's because very many already own a pretty good copy to watch on a pretty good, pretty big display. There are, say, alternative ways to distribute a film than through cinema or DVD/BD-sales. Historically, the blockbuster-syndrom started with Star Wars IV, among all little stars on the movie canopy this was the Death Star. Now, if we don't re-discover the small, intelligent films, cinema will be dead, in the not so far, far future.

Thought about a used f35.  1.  Breaks then what?  cost to fix?  parts? 2.  Recorder needed. 3.  Size. 4.  Battery   It is an awesome camera.  Recent movie, "Real Steel" was shot with it.