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That said I do have sympathy with early customers.   Blackmagic and Digital Bolex are putting them through some real misery.   If you funded the DB Kickstarter to the tune of a camera and if you pre-ordered the Blackmagic Cinema Camera at the last NAB, and haven't shot with either yet, just be safe in the knowledge that you're supporting the revolution if not actually able to televise it!

Yes. Get ready for 4K cats in shallow DOF.  

Digital Bolex has global shutter, Pocket Cinema Camera doesn't.   Since neither camera has yet shipped neither company has much room to talk! ;)   Let's wait and see on this one.   I personally think DB are doing a good job.

andrew!   you can`t put "mass production" and "leica m" in the same line!! that`s a bit like "chuck norris" and "nobel prize" in one sentence.... :-)

Took me a while to notice the front of the bike...

the pocket camera is at a price point where they will have to have subcontracted another manufacturer to undertake the work in the far east. i seriously doubt the pocket will be assembled by the same stretched plant who were assembling the original bmcc. At the price point no where other than the far east could handle manufacture of this camera within budget (I assume if retail is $999, wholesale is $499, and manufacturing is probably $50-100. Since the profit margin for bm is low, they will need to sell lots to recover development costs and start to see a profit. Hence they cannot allow it to get to a point where orders are cancelled. Only the far east could deliver the quantities required for an item of this price point IMO. The chinese plants deliver. and BM will have contracted a trustworthy plant and probably have australian techs in there full time

ah ok i thought they were taking the existing sensor and cropping. I still am incredibly sceptical about this July date based on past experience. They will now have 4 lines to manufacture, and although they are slightly more experienced with camera building it's still a small frame of time to get everything going. From what i've read (and again correct me if i'm wrong) they're still working on the 4K version so a final product isn't even ready to manufacture as of now.  

  The exact cropfactor is 1.70x.   (If the sensor size is 21.12mm x 11.88mm, the diagonal is 24,23mm. The diagonal of 16:9 fullframe is 41,3mm. ivide 24,23mm by 41,3mm).   So it sits in between the GH2, the F5 and canon aps-c (roughly 1.6x, Nikon is 1.5x).   Panasonic GH3: 2x Panasonic GH2: 1.86x BMCC 4K: 1.70x Sony F5: 1.59x

get a good one used do not buy anything new until the dust has settled. also sticking money down on future cameras is a sucky idea. go back and look at the hype from a year ago for bmc some of those customers still have not had cameras. invest hard earned or stolen money in optics digital cameras come and go.

  Sony have always said the FS700 would be upgradable to 4K (and it may not be free).... Canon didn't and were never going to.   If you crave 4K, you only have yourself to blame for buying a 1080p camera that never had a 4K upgrade path.

Thanks for all the info guys, you have convinced me to give the GH2 a try based on this. I'll use the saved cash to get some extra gear!

As a guy who just spent $7500 on a C100 with a Ninja 2, i'm sorry but this is bullsh-t.. I actually prefer Canon's image to Sony's, but where is Canon in all of this? Clean hdmi for the 5D3? That's throwing us all a bone. I almost bought the FS700. Sony gets a 4k raw upgrade from hell, I get a magnifying upgrade for my $6500 (now $5500) camera in October. To top it off, it is non-returnable. Such Bullsh-t. This is the biggest self kick in the ass i've ever experienced because all 3 C cams have the same sensor and the same processor. (100,300,500).. And they COULD EASILY upgrade them.. God I'm pissed. Rant over

Well the Pocket will be slightly larger than S16, so you should consider x3 for this little thing.   The problem will be how wide you can actually go - so until John Brawley posts some footage & tells us, we'll just have to wait.   Just really hoping the Speed Booster comes out at the same time - it'll be a life & cash saver! Especially considering the amount of lenses that will be bought up & the over inflated prices that will ensue!

As far as I know, DPX is 10 bit. It is what most VFX artists request as a plate.

Absolutely, run'n'gun is ok for a while, but it just gets boring. I bought the 54 for that exact reason & i think it makes you more creative with the shots that you produce, just because you have to think & plan so much more. Also, with the zooms you're going to open up a whole new dimension of shots to think about, practice & get perfect - you'll need a focus puller. But with the 4k BM you're going to have so much fun & produce stunning images! I think i'm going for the Pocket cam, if i go for the 4k it'll mean a new computer just to edit the footage & then that's just too much money to throw down all in one go.

Convergent Design is approaching the paying-for-extra-recording-options issue a little differently than others, too. You have the option to purchase the recording options/codecs in full, or actually "rent" the licenses as needed, which I would assume is a cheap way of giving you what you'd need when you absolutely have to have 4k raw, without making you pay for it all up front when you mainly shoot 2k.   I'm a little confused, because in the video the Sony guy says the Odessy 7Q will record 2k in CinemaDNG up to 240fps, and 4k DPX up to 30fps, but the specs on the Convergent Design website say HD/2k Raw up to 120fps, and 4k up to 120fps .   http://www.convergent-design.com/Products/Odyssey7.aspx#Specs-21   If anyone gets clarification, i'd love to know what the capabilities really are. Supposedly prices won't be announced until May, so we don't really know how much cheaper the Odessy option is, exactly -- unless you've got some insider info, Andrew?    Also, to clarify, according to the Odessy Q7 specs .dpx is a container for their "Uncompressed" video,  and .dng is their Raw format.

@JG That's just soooo big & is going to be awesome and you got the Foton as well! I thought my 54 & 40-2 combo was a beast, but this takes things to a whole new level! Bet you're happy you bought them before the whole BM announcement came. 

  BM's CEO has done that several times over the last year in blackmagic's forums, with great details on why the delays exists and how they try to solve them.   Luc

As far as im concerned, The digital bolex folks have no room to talk until they actually release a camera.

On the Pocket Camera you won't get any vignetting with DX/EF lenses. With the Speed Booster the crop factor will be 2.1x, still more than aps-c 1.5/1.6x. On the S35 camera you won't be able to use a Speed Booster at all, because it has a EF mount.

Might be wrong, but i think 4K/60p and the 4K/120p burst mode are only available on Sony's own raw recorder.   Odyssey 7Q only seems to do 4K/30p and 2K/240p... But things change fast around NAB time, so maybe they have updated?   I'm very, very close to cancelling the BMCC 4K and getting an FS700.... Then building it into a 4K beast when the dust settles on all the details.

search through this forum there are threads on this The hacked gh2 is better then the gh3 Im running Driftwood Quantum 9B Updated hack its stable plays back in camera , no lockups at all and is kicking out 170mb/s gh3 is 70 mb/s max.... I shot both cameras side by side and GH2 looks alot better Gh3 has different sensor and lot more moire I dont like it at all the GH2 sensor is amazing they messed it up by switching to a new sensor in the gh3 it lost 'the look'

  Yes you've got it, I mixed up the tech there. It's removing noise and clock jitter from sampling rate timing rather than the actual signal.

Andrew shutup!  Canon, Sony and RED might buy up all the sensors or try to shut CMOSIS down to delay my camera! lol   But seriously, thanks a lot for this, I hope you're right.   And thanks Julian, your post convinced me to pull the tigger on the pocket pre-order, if there is even a chance it has this sensor I want it.

  Ammendment: sorry, thought this was the topic for the Production cinema camera, not the Pocket camera. Yes, Assuming a M4/3 speedbooster is released, I think it should work.

  From my understanding Phase Locked Loop replaced crystals for timing of electronic circuits, so to me if it is saying on board PLL it just means the timing circuit is on the sensor board.

Update on the contradicting interview from NAB:   Black Magic representant tells that the pocket camera will have compressed DNG, so now it's confirmed both from homepage and NAB representants:   https://vimeo.com/63690222   (also confirmed that the 4k camera reads out the full s35 sensor for 1080p, not just a crop mode)

  Watch out, you're mixing Pocket specs with Production 4K specs.   Pocket : Lossless DNG compression Production 4K : Lossy DNG compression   John Brawley confirmed that the visually lossless compression the 4K is actually lossy compression. However, it should be 12bits. So some Adobe DNG specs update should follow !

Don't think that is what Tim is referring to Caleb.   The spec flange for EF is 44mm and this is what Blackmagic went with.   The actual flange on EOS DSLRs is more like 43.5mm to allow for some tolerance for infinity and AF micro adjustments. This wasn't factored into the Blackmagic Cinema Camera as it would have knocked cinema glass off their marks.   Still think they should dump EF and go for E-mount.   I bet you anything there will be an E-mount version of the 4K camera come the end of the year.

Hmmm...     Kinda looks like this: http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_155306/bae-systems-ultra-low-noise-imaging-sensor-headed-to-scientific--military-markets http://ccdcmos.com/products/cameras/scientific/CIS1021-sCMOS.htm   Based on the CIS2051 (which is 5,5 megapixel, so could be the BMCC sensor?)   Google CIS1021: Found a 42 page pdf about it: http://alliedscientificpro.com/wp-content/uploads/MAN-0103-CIS1021-Datasheet_RevA.pdf     What do you think?   /Edit: Or this one: http://fairchildimaging.com/catalog/focal-plane-arrays/scmos/cis-1910f

I can't help but smile when I see that tiiiny camera coupled with the big ARRI zoom + mattebox on that massive tripod... :)

It's impressive and I've worked in 16mm for 30 years and it'll be great to be able to use 16mm cine zoom lenses.  But honestly, can't someone take them aside and show them what a camera looks like?  Absolutely terrible form factor.  No viewfinder for shooting in daylight and maintaining focus.  No XLR connectors or a small auxiliary connector for input from a mixer.

This is soooo sexy. Add a pistol grip, add a lcd loupe, and done! (and I will add my tine petit cinevision anamorphic.. :))    

Sony seem to love making announcements about announcements, show us a product with a time frame or go home.