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Let's see if all the happy sounding punters come back in 12 months on the forum when they still don't have a camera. Then we will see how they really feel.

http://vimeo.com/71617895   gives a little bit of an idea.  I think my selecting a +2 diopter was a bit overkill.  but you get the idea:)

  Exactly ! That annoys me too.   It's an approach they've done before. They disrupted the market where people are making insane margins. They bought Davinci, and made it affordable. They bought Teranex  and made their products affordable. They regularly decrease the price of their SDI switches. They regularly decrease the price of their capture cards and adapt to their customers with new models. You get video production equipment for half or a third of their competitors.   They are just building a whole ecosystem for movie and broadcast production...

eyes is gonna wait for the 1000 dollah reduck tion on der black magic pocket camera next year after they anonce the new pocket replacement for der old pocket camera dat came out 2 days before the annocement of the new pocket camera. how can you complain wid next years pocket reducktion they will be paying you a dollar to take the camera from them that has to be a good deal yes no. dis company are firing on all sillinders at der moment. nobody beats dere melting sensorers. der owner of der company is not overweight he is thin and allways keeps his custumers up to date wid intel on new up and coming products avaiuuble n 2 years time.   as budda once said grass hopper nice obsolete things come to those peeple dat wait stop der hate it nevver been betteror time to make test films of traffic. chill and sing the bm corporate song     remememberor kids hd camras come and go a ducky is for life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc5T06SsnkA

I understand people being upset with the delays, but saying the camera can't do what it says in the box is another thing, that would be quite serious, and most would probably just get a refund, I don't see them trying to sneak that one without a big explanation. SD cards speed is not a problem with 1080p 2:1 compressed raw. They'd need roughly 50mbps, latest toshiba cards can do 240!

According to Grant's e-mail the Pocket cameras are shipping, surely you could wait a couple days for the first reviews before assuming it can't do what's on the specs list. Could even save the non believers some embarrassment.

  Solid reasoning, after all I can't think of any other camera that does uncompressed 1080p raw to 95Mb/s cards with no fan.   http://vimeo.com/66033769

IMO BM is our friend.  A company giving the public a product that is of high value and closer to the wishes and desires of the end user than many other companies have been producing.  I wish them well with their product line.  I personally just jumped on the Magic Lantern 50D bandwagon.  The low cost and overall value is extremely high IMO.  I was originally saving for a BM Pocket, but I thought about the Sensor size of the 50D and also the ability to record in 4:3 or 3:2 on the 50D for my Anamorphic needs and I went that way.  It's not a worry since the 50D was so cheap!  Now BM is making even their 2.5k BMC cheaper and I think it's moved into a nice spot below the 5Dmk3 which is now a clear competitor with ML Raw.  BM had to make a move IMO.  It's actually a sad thing that Magic Lantern is benefiting Canon who I feel doesn't deserve the boost.  Meanwhile BM is getting screwed when they are the ones who actually did the right thing by the user base. 

  The problem with GoPro is the tiny sensor size. 

  I really don't understand this comment (unless it's trying to be purely sarcastic). Why would the BMCC suddenly become a doorstop if the company goes out of business or is bought? I see plenty of people still driving around with their Saturn cars even though the company went under 3 years ago. As a music composer I use a 30 year old keyboard which has not been officially supported for well over two decades.   It's not as if Blackmagic products need to "call home" every few days because otherwise they'll stop working...that actually would be Adobe products!

I think every once in a while a company comes along with a business model which goes against what everyone else has been doing and foregoes huge markups for mass appeal.   In the audio/music world I have seen that with Peavey at first, Mackie, and then M-Audio more recently.    Blackmagic is simply the same idea applied to digital video...a company who is manufacturing smartly, and taking shortcuts which most of us seem to be ok with. Their products aren't perfect, but they fill a niche that would otherwise go unfilled.   I don't think they're going out of business any time soon, and I think despite delays in delivery, people will not stop ordering from them.   They are giving away Resolve for free and taking a huge bite out of competing products while getting everyone used to working with it.   I am far from being a Blackmagic evangelist. I have criticized them plenty in the past, and I am not 100% crazy about the image that the BMCC delivers....but I think that in this case they're being very smart.   In my tests, the 5D3 raw delivers a much more pleasant image with more natural rolloff in the highlights, and yet here I am trying to figure out when I should put in my order for the BMCC (my birthday is coming up in a month...hint hint).

what exactly are you shooting at night. Short films? Documentaries? Cats?   C100 is a great option for night shooting and no aliasing. 5D is also great at those and the raw hack is available.    Blackmagic is not great in low light, and has a bit of moire here and there

@Rob...I'm so glad Rich got busted with his 'nature' shot...I told him you would find out!

  I can vaguely understand your reasoning, but IT IS economically viable what BM is doing.  The guy testing the KineRaw camera in the U.S. said he went to a manufacture(a bit before BM released their cam) and tried to get them to make a dumb body raw camera.  It was just a passive mount, no screen, no viewfinder, basic controls and the standard outputs.  He spec'd it out and said it would cost the manufacture $300 USD to make.  $300.  They wouldn't do it and/or wanted a huge amount down to prototype.  Then GoPro releases a camera capable of 2.7k and limited 4k for $400.   Again, basic body, no screen, limited features, etc...$400.    So $300 for basic hardware, plus touch screen, lens electronics, metal body, etc....  I would bet, it costs BM between $1000-1500 to produce a Cinema Camera max, and that was at the start.  Now, it's even cheaper like they said, so selling it for $2000 means they're still in the black.   When you look at what the GH1, then GH2, then Canon was capable of doing with the hacks, it's obvious the companies are selling hardware that's artificially limited for one reason or another.  Biggest reason, IMHO is they don't want to give us what the camera's are fully capable of at the lower price so it won't compete with their Pro, higher priced models.  Since these are the only camera's BM makes, they don't have that problem and can give us the max hardware for the minimum price, and still make a profit.

Not economically viable.  I think the boss of BM is going a bit cloud cuckoo.  if it were a big campaign by Apple (who are able to deliver a product on schedule and in mass) to hit microsoft hard with an almost propaganda style marketing campaign it would make sense, but since these guys don't have the ability to deliver to the market sector they are hitting with this strategy and price point then it's all for nothing.  All they are doing is devaluing products from the established brands (who may be slightly more expensive due to accurate pricing rather than Black Magic low price propaganda).   When Canon, Panasonic and Sony, as well as RED, Arri etc start to loose profit due to people haulting planned purchases based on a promise from the bunch of liars at Black Magic it will be the valuable R+D that the big boys are responsible for that starts to suffer.     I cancelled my pre order for the pocket based on a resentment for BM's strategy of forcing people to wait by offering dream pricing figures almost impossible to ignore and that sway decisions on purchases of the products that are actually avaialble to buy and use now.    

I don't think you have any idea BMD works.. They aren't looking to be bought out and they definitely won't go belly up. The BMD cameras are only a small part of their business and have been a respected company for a long long time for other products they make at also highly competative prices.. How do this? By buying other businesses with tech they want and then bribging a highly polished product to market at insanely low prices compared to the competition. They aren't going anywhere an it's funny how several prople question their business strategy when it's been highly effective for so long. As for all the whingers about the price drop, while it could be slightly annoying GET OVER IT all rlectronic products devalue.. Maybe not in 1/3 chunks however the 5D2 dropped about $1,000 a year in small increments for 2 years running when I had one. I paid $4000 AUD when it was released 12 months later it was right aroud $3000 and a year after that $2000. I paid like what $1300 for a GH3 and within only a few months its like $1000. I can only feel for the folks who paid the $3000 and only have just received it within te last few months, that would annoy me too but that's just how it is with ALL electronics whether it hurts your feelings or not.

I really don't get all the hate. Blackmagic seems to me like a pretty sharp company right about now. They have successfully diverted attention away from the negatives of the shipping delays for their new cameras while renewing interest for a camera which was on the path to be obsolete in a month or two.    Who was buying the BMCC last week instead of the upcoming one? Now several of my friends are thinking about putting in orders for the BMCC....brilliant!   Meanwhile the likes of RED and Canon Cinema division are left scratching their heads trying to figure out how to stop the hemorrhaging before it's too late. Who is buying a Scarlet or a C500 right about now aside from rental houses?   What Blackmagic has also managed to do is to potentially make ML obsolete as well by pricing the BMCC below the 5D3 (way below if you take into consideration the full version of Resolve that comes bundled with it).   Yeah yeah yeah, super 16 is no match for that full frame sensor. Hey, I'm with you, I own a 5D3! However I have seen some fantastic footage come out of the BMCC, with beautiful bokeh and amazing clarity, I know that I could shoot some amazing looking films with that size sensor.   Lastly, people who paid $3k for the BMCC aren't likely to be any more mad now than when Blackmagic announced their 4K camera. A lowering of the price was to be absolutely expected, anyone who thought that they would keep selling the BMCC for $3k forever should really wake up.   If anything, I can see this really affecting sales of the Pocket camera. I was thinking of buying one when they became available, but now I'm leaning toward the BMCC. Sure it's $1k more, but I get full blown Resolve, a larger sensor with higher resolution, an EF mount if I want, more inputs and outputs, a larger monitor, and already a hefty selection of accessories available to me. Only thing I hate about the BMCC and will always have an issue with is the lack of a swappable battery, but it's a small hassle compared to all the other benefits.   I say well played Blackmagic...well played!

HAHA I just got something, man I can be slow sometimes. I forgot about that little guy!

  If they're bought it doesn't mean it's the end of BMD, and they've been doing just fine even before they had cameras on their product line-up, so I don't see why they'd go broke just like that, especially when offering products in such high demand.   Also, even if they did, it's not like all existing cameras would suddenly stop working, is it? How many thousands of films have been shot on long discontinued film cameras?

I think it is sweet in some twisted way that clearly, people here have an obsession about BMD. Unless you work for one of the big guys, relax and be happy that someone is trying to challenge the status quo. If you are indeed a competitor, relax for a little while at least, as this small company figures out this business..

I think this is a nice move by BMD. It is normal that prices go down. People who are still in line for cameras will get the new price. It makes a better differentiation between the 4K and 2.5K models. People who bought into BMD to a large degree did so because the pricing was great to begin with, so it is not like they overpaid. (unlike people buying cameras from the  protectionist Still/Video giants (Sony & Canon, I'm looking at you..).   <G> who would have thought people would be so negative about a cheap camera getting even cheaper... 

Yes, ProRes works great in Premiere Pro. Cinema DNG can not actually be read in Premiere without 3rd party solutions, and even then it kinda stinks.

What a mess.

  Great solution! OH hang on where did I put my sensor lab, firmware programmers and last but not least my spanner.

I think the price was too close to the 4K camera...   The 4k camera offers not only increased resolution, but also a s35 sensor size (very welcome) and compressed raw (much more manageable files), two serious downsides to the original camera, so I guess that with price tags of $3k vs $4k, the "old" camera would not seem that appealing anymore. The new price tag separates it into a different segment and now the 3 different models all have their own place in the market. Definitely $2k is a great price, even $2500 would have been great!   For owners bitching about the price drop, they need to know this is what happens, it's how it goes! People keep complaining that camera makers are not giving them all they could, keeping features out and inflating prices with tiny updates, but when someone has the balls to make a price cut like this and actually offer the technology as cheap as they possibly can, then their own personal interests come up and they quickly point the finger and feel ripped off. It's evolution, deal with it!   I also don't think this affects the Pocket camera, I never saw them as competing products, if anything, the pocket camera is still a better choice, as the sensor size matches the mount better, you can use 16mm glass, you get an active mount and you get compressed raw.   Now they just need to add compressed raw to the BMCC. (Audio levels on ALL camera models would be great too, but it seems to be asking for too much, they'll probably release a 6k camera for $500 before that happens :)  )