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On my walk to drop off some gear at the rental house, I ran into 5 teenagers filming. I of course wanted to ask what they were up to, camera, lens etc, and it ended up being a very enlightening experience (15mins of). They are vloggers and instagramers here in Finland with over 100 000 followers/ subscribers in each medium. I, indeed, was the old fart (all 37 of my years on earth) they were humouring but they were super pleasant and made my day. But to the point, all they had as 'gear' was an olympus, native pancake lens, and a tiny plastic tripod. Their main goal was to walk around the city and produce content. I metioned I had some stuff like the Zhiyun Crane, like it was impressive... but it turns out that kind of stuff was arbitrary to their interests. These guys were content machines. It made me think. Have I been getting it all wrong? Yes, I script, I storyboard, I know my way around a manual cinema camera and traditional lighting techniques... But who cares anymore? These kids are the future and they did not care a toss about dynamic range or bitrates. They wanted everything auto so they could focus on actually enjoying a shoot. Something to think about...

Hey guys. I shared some of my videos a few days ago and it turned into a crazy thread that got super religious and out of hand. I want to apologize by the way I responded. If I came across being harsh or "matter of fact" I am really truly sorry. I will continue to make YouTube content and am taking what I have learned from this forum and will apply it to my videos going forward. If I offended anyone please accept my sincere apology.

After a few days of cooling off I felt terrible about all this. I took the thread too personally and responded emotionally and didn't think it through. I think we all did. We are all brothers here and I hope to continue to be part of this amazing community.

It's just another genre. Neistat and Fine Brothers are the role models to this group. Note that The Fine Brothers managed to shoot a show for SHO a few years ago using consumer Canon pocket cameras. These guys are content machines. If they stop producing at ridiculous rates, their revenue and social stock can crash. That's fine, but it leaves little time to improve the art. It's what they want to do and more power to them. I have friends that are into this, and the have a love/hate relationship with it. Personally, have no interest in that mill.

Here's my take: "Content" is its own word. "Filmmaker" is a different one. The latter needn't concern themselves too much about the former. I respect content creators for YouTube --as I don't have the motivation to do it, but "content" is not really art; it's not really filmmaking, is it?

Finally all as one!

"If I offended anyone please accept my sincere apology." You didn't, but it takes a big man to post that. Peace and love.

No problem marty, will do. Uploading to Youtube now. It's hard to believe that the lens could make all the difference I'm seeing between Max's video and mine. Zmarty, here ya go. Give it a bit of time to upgrade to 4K. It's now a low rez, but you should still see the focus.

Obviously that "everyday life vlogging" is really big and to be honest, like most of you, I can't really understand the appeal. My girlfriend watches Jamie&Nikki a lot and I just can't get over how that's basically just watching two random people do their every day blah. They have a million followers who care about what boring, regular things they do. I mean, I can kinda get why people watch Jon Olson, he's at least a ka-razy semi-celebrity, blowing money and living the life, so you watch him do stuff most of us will never do (still working on saving up for that lambo). You'd also think there's only so many ways you could go about contouring but make-up how-to channels are such a huge thing. At the same time you can see that usually production value is of no real interest to a lot of people. Same with Instagram, there's a lot of people with hundreds of thousands of followers with just the same composition of iPhone pictures over and over and over again. It's more about people's voyeuristic needs and identifying with the content creator than with the actual content. When it comes to technology, I kinda get why less might be more. I wanted to see how the GH5 fares by looking at what gets uploaded to Vimeo and YouTube and by god, if I have to see another video that is 100% slow motion flowers / dogs / people shopping I will scream! It's approaching "cooking video with ukulele background sound" territory. It seems that a lot of people who care about "filmic, cinematic videos" exclusively produce camera test videos. Gear is the purpose in itself, there will never be any output. That's actually also fine as a hobby but there's the tendency that these people only criticize and never create/contribute. I'm actually really re-evaluating what I want in a camera. Maybe I can do with "worse" image if it actually means I'll shoot more due to better usability?

Hey, I think you should shoot in 10bit as you will not run into as much banding + you have more grading options. Cheers

Also, I have almost no doubt their current path has a better chance to be more lucrative and notorious than the one I'm on, but the style of content-creators is not one that I personally would find creatively fullfilling or artistically worthwhile. I like traditional movie-making too much "Content" will have a place, but I think overall it's probably just not for me.

So here's the video I promised. I tried to duplicate Max's AF scenario as best I could. None of these clips have been edited and none that I shot were left out. Everything you see is everything I shot. Very different results. What can I say? As I've said before, these results are extremely typical for everything I've shot thus far. I've never shot a single clip that even remotely resembles what Max got.

Thanks Fritz. This is the first day we've had some sun in a while and after watching Max's video, I decided I'd go out and shoot some clips that duplicated one of his failed tests. I will put this video together and you'll see how totally different our cameras behave. No comparison whatsoever. It's such a pity this camera is getting such a bad rap for, what I think, is an obviously defective unit.

What i like about these guys is they are out there doing.... The art/production side will come while they are out there, they'll likely instinctively learn and improve composition, lighting etc

Lot of talk here about content vs art. I'd posit that both are forms of content. Anything that has an intended audience is a piece of content. And in fact, if you take the vloggers you spoke to as one extreme, and arthouse filmmakers as the other, there's actually a broad range in the middle (including those here) that many people will sit along. I think preoccupation and obsession with gear is silly regardless of the type of content you're making. I think it's very easy to forget that gear and equipment are there to support the procurement and production of the content. You can have an audience shooting on an iPhone and you can have an audience shooting on an Alexa. The audiences may be different (and there's potentially some crossover), but they're both viable. Making a video and making a film are inherently different as well. Figure out what you want to make and make it. Personally, I think as audiences we connect to what we relate to. Yeah, maybe sometimes we like to watch stuff that looks nice as well, but overall if you can make a connection to your audience - whether that's through the way something is framed, the lighting within, the performance of the person in front of the camera or otherwise - that's when you know you're doing a good job. Both extremes connect with their audience, they just go about it in slightly different ways.

Are your Sigma and XL Canon or Nikon mount? If Nikon, what values are you entering in the camera for focal length? Remember that you need to enter the effective focal length of the lens and booster together. Even with the correct value, though, you can't expect IBIS to absorb walking motions. Not even big expensive gimbals or Steadicam can do that. Which is why steadi/gimbal operators have to learn the "duck walk". The GH5's USB port doesn't support external charging/power. You would have to use a dummy battery. A big old NP-F battery is going to weigh nearly as much as the battery grip anyways, might as well do the grip and then you can hot-swap batteries.

I did a small edit in my post only to point out I don't necessarily think this "reviewer" has an agenda, as follows his disclaimer in one of his messages BTW. Lots of interests command internet marketing, though. That's for sure! He is one of many others. Even though, his first test was pretty incomplete and very distracted. This 2nd one as a reply to the lack of depth of the other one, has 30 minutes, so another ballpark. But, yes, he has forgotten to test a more complete approach using a more capable full technique any experienced shooter will use. Not by definition mandatory manual focus, as a lot of other users usually infer as dichotomy to AF. There are other AF modes such as tap to focus he simply didn't talk about. Or the way we can lock AF up just in order to prevent hunting, as for instance. All this is part of the labor and these AF tests drive me nuts for their bewildering simplicity. I don't have anything against thousands of YT followers and they surely don't bother me at all, on the contrary, they led me to demand more from their input being one of them.

Apple's systems are elitistic, closed and esoteric, and you can see the "defense" of the system from their Zealots reach middle ages proportions. This closeness and lack of choices are not for me. There are thousands of different components you can put on a PC and build it on your own with just minimal knowledge of hardware and software, I found this more liberating than just buying something that others have choose for me, and make me pay 2 or 3 times the price for the same components, that I know how they cost, as they are the same ones I use for my PCs!! I just wish Linux was a bit better, it is good enough for most things right now, but not so for our specialized work. There will be other manufacturers and OSes down the line, I want to see this debate in 40 years, will any of those still be relevant?! "Since 2013, devices running Android have been selling more than Windows, iOS and macOS devices combined." Mobile devices: Android 87,8% - IOS 11,5% Almost 88% of the mobile devices users are stupid and brutes. We get it. Desktop Gaming: 95,4% PC - 3.55% MacOS. Yes, just stupid, because game industry isn't like the biggest entertainment industry on the planet already. No, just primates play computer games. I agree. Desktop/Laptop operating system browsing statistics: MacOS 11.20%, Linix 1.55%. What the rest of humanity use? Who cares? They are not MacOS users, burn in hell. Apple is just an option. Choose whatever makes your life better, because most people's on the planet, ain't Apple. Oh, but maybe we are just so poor, we can't afford an iPhone, or iShit, so go look at my first sentence then, and read again.

I actually know how it is when Windows and Mac users sit together. No evangelizing, just respect and acceptance for the other's system. Everybody around is fully aware that this is necessary. Don't frown or shake your head. Don't praise a friend's workflows either (despite your internal disagreement), even this poisons the communication, because people tend to be so touchy (why?) that they sense the false tone immediately and find it unbearably patronizing and dishonest. Keep your mouth shut (as you said). Tell outright that you don't participate in discussions about your or their OS or NLE preference. My New Year's pledge. But then again, someone makes a remark (I won't repeat them, read above). Keeping my mouth shut isn't easy then. But I will.

An Apple v Windows thread turning nasty.... Who'd have guessed :D They are just tools

And another...

the isco ultrastar changes from 1.8X (1.5m) to 2.0m (infinity). I'll have to check with my elmo I and Singer/Sankor 16D if you wanna know for these

Ah we All have a bad day at times. Makes us stronger I think. It was an unfortunate event, but I sure as heck am not going to loose any sleep over it. This is too good of a Forum to have that effect us, even in the short term. I don't see any reason for you to feel responsible. It was what it was. I guess it was a learning experience, and I welcome different opinions and thoughts. But I guess as the old saying goes, Discussing Politics and Religion neatly Always leads to hut feelings. It is Taboo for a reason I guess. I hope we all move on one this because I consider a lot of people on here as friends, and that is something I have never had a lot of in my life.

Jesus Christ, ditch that F' ing Music!! I had to turn down the volume all the way by the end! But the video showed good results.

Jesus loves you

Agreed Ken....but because of the lower contrast indoors to my eye the GH5 pulled focus rather seamlessly...speaking of pulling focus...wont have my GH5 for a couple of months but already have the Leica 12-60 because of this capability in the GH5...for narrative work, whether commercial product shots, or feature or television, just one of the examples of how ahead of the curve they are with the GH5! PS is that the Panny 12-60 in the AF demo?...and do you like it?

Right on brother! ??

Can you please try to replicate his shots where he was showing a lens to the camera? I think those examples are the worst.

Holly crap, that is just awesome. No one could even begin to focus that fast in manual mode. Camera envy on my part. What lens, 12-35mm, 12-60mm?? The 14-140mm, no way? If so what version?

I thought I saw one little spec of dust around the Bananas, but I was wrong LoL. The heck with the camera, I want your House! Nice video. Shows it's strengths for sure. Looks like yours works.

It's also a bit of misunderstanding that the edges will be easier to tame on a wider lens while moving. It's the opposite. It's true that a wider lens will tame microvibrations and shake better than a longer lens when looking at the overall frame and especially the center of the frame, but wide lenses are stretching a lot more information into the sides, so they exaggerate any movement and certainly any anomalies at the edges. Even with a totally steady setup, try walking with an ultra wide lens or a fisheye. The edges will look awful. Now add to that a bit of shake. Of course, what everyone else is saying about telling the camera the correct focal length is also important for the IBIS.

Almost as bad as the Alexa's autofocus.

I absolutely love this. Great find. The slo mo 180fps looks superb.

Not sure if this has been posted. Looks great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMMasJ1N_Sg

It's an APS-C lens (1.5 crop) and with the SpeedBooster XL it's used on a sensor that behaves like it had a 1.3 crop so I think it's probably the IBIS moving the sensor into the outermost parts of the lens where it has the worst quality and that wouldn't be used on an APS-C sensor. Probably better off with the SpeedBooster Ultra instead of XL when using APS-C lenses?

What I'd like Apple to do is produce an eGPU enclosure. Even a ready filled one if they want to maintain control. There are new thunderbolt docks with gpu slots around now which are less hacky and considering the daft cost of typical thunderbolt docks they are decent value for money. If Apple did one that was optimised for fcpx then I'd happily hand over my readies to them. It would be a bit of an old school offline/online edit paradigm but being able to do the edit on my macbook and then plug the eGPU in for the final render would suit me down to the ground. As would plugging it into my old macbook air and breathing some new utility out of that for the same purpose. But the other back to the old days thing that interests me is this Liquid Sky project branching off from gaming into video applications. In a nutshell Liquid Sky is cloud computing with crazy spec gpu computers. If it's good enough to satisfy gamers performance wise then it looks promising for our applications. For someone old enough to have written code on teletype that was then executed on the regional university mainframe at night so all the local colleges could share it's performance then remote rendering is definitely a nostalgic concept I could get behind! And it's that democratising aspect of it that's the intruiging point really of Liquid Sky for me in that it let's us access extensive and expensive back end power through whatever device we have to hand or can afford (playing top end games from cheap tablets while on the go is a major part of its pitch) Sometimes we might not have access to the grunt we need for financial reasons but also for practical ones. I'm currently on a train and cutting together some stuff in imovie on the ipad for example. It has a two step convoluted way to get its projects into fcpx for finishing ut I'd love to be able to hit a button and be able to hand it off remotely and have it returned rendered to me. Doing the edit on the ipad is the most efficient thing for me to be doing the edit right now but the device lacks the horsepower to truly be an end to end solution but a cloud element would solve that. Its that sort of stuff that Apple needs to do to keep everyone onside and offer a tightly integrated approach to recognising that we all not only have different needs but we all have different needs of those different needs at different times! Truth be told, we're not ALL rendering all the time and we're all in different time zones so if 100 of us on here threw in £300 each instead of spending it on incremental individual upgrades we could build our own Liquid Sky render monster that we could share time on!!!

I am continually amazed at the lack of congeniality that is exhibited on this forum. Ad hominem attack is the standard of the day ... disagree with me and I will make you look so low, so incompetent ... Really guys it is all marketing ... find a platform that works for you ... shut your mouth and show your output. Ideally if we were all sitting in a pub ... talking then the interchange would be perhaps a bit more civil. Should be the same here ... Started with CPM moved to DOS then to Apple then to Windows then to Unix then to Windows then to Mac OS .... It is all a window painted onto the reality of the hardware ... nothing more. You like Tomatoe I like tomatoh But to assume you are my better because of your hardware ... knowledge ... sensibilities ... Would love to see a mature discourse on this site that did not degenerate into an immature attack that does nothing to advance the knowledge of those who hope to be informed not entertained. Just sayin ... Bob

I believe it. I have no way to scientifically test, but by eye, it looks like the BMCC DR, maybe 1 less stop than the UM46K.

I've been a PC guy all my life, just happened like that, like starting with Canon or Nikon. I have zero brand fetishism or preference. I'll switch to Linux or Mac as soon as I see any advantage but right now the Mac computer are just too expensive for the specs. At home my girlfriend recently bought one of their latest laptop and Iphone and every-time she needs to do something beyond internet browsing she calls me to rescue her: - Want to install some "exotic" software, NOPE, it doesn't work on Mac - Want to watch a movie via the Laptop HDMI, of course there is no HDMI out on the Mac laptop - Want to plug anything in general ? NOPE, there is very little connectivity and the removal of the 3.5mm is utterly stupid IMHO. Just another excuse to sell you overpriced accessories. Plus, I hate the wireless accessories, it always runs out of battery when you need it the most. - Need a basic apple cable ? You must buy the dedicated Apple cable for $29 or it won't work properly. As for Apple and ethic, they are no better or worst than all the other silicon valley hipster companies. They are here to do business. They are not cool or evil, just protecting their own interest. Fighting Trump immigration policy when it's bad for their HR strategy but they haven't said anything about the new FCC policy change regarding selling the internet history...

Best explanation of organised Abrahamic religion I have ever seen! And the ones started by religion are really about the money too. The religion just helps to get people riled up and ready to kill.

And in the meantime, not producing anything of note. This can go on for years as people await the next great instalment until one day they die with a showreel containing one cat from 1972.

If you're shooting solo or flying on a gimbal, autofocus is very useful

So basically, with this upgrade, the only thing missing from this camera is 10bit (which is mentioned on this thread but not on the update page). If they add it, I'll have no reason not to buy it :D

Cancelled both GH5 pre-orders today. Not liking what I'm seeing, unfortunately. Will stick with my Blackmagic Pocket and Micro until a Pocket successor comes out (hopefully). Also, besides rolling-shutter, which I personally have no problem with, I am not finding the current GH5 image anymore superior to my A6500. Perhaps the 400Mbit ALL-I will change this? Anyways, good luck to all those waiting on their pre-orders, hope you get them soon and make some amazing things with it. Enjoy!

From those video tests above it looks like face detect AF in video mode is basically useless.

Just watched Max Yuryev's GH5 video and the autofocus performance did not impress me at all. Disappointing.

The only GH5 video I've seen so far that I've really liked is James Miller's. All that it took was a Zeiss Otus and a 4k external recorder to accomplish a pristine baked-in-LUT downscale of 4k to 1080p. Every other test video simply doesn't have colors I like. The film look isn't there. If you told me all of it was shot with a GH4 I'd believe you.

You missed my point completely. Its not about the minuscule difference in speed/acquisition times, its about following your subject with a simple tap on the screen - which Canon DPAF is superior to everything else and light years ahead of Panasonic. No casual photographer is shooting high bitrate video of birthday parties and school plays in 4k60p on a $2000 body, SMH... Notice how DPAF is on all volume selling Canon bodies? This is where the gap is the widest - and where the most units are being moved - and where Panasonic is so far behind. There's hope since IBIS was first introduced on the lower end models, but they're still far behind the competition and the gap grows wider with every Dpreview puff piece showing how easy it is to focus on moving subjects with a Canon body. Cheers

I have a hard time believing that one. A few hundred pixels out of 20 million, please. But what I would believe is the additional engineering required to have a competent PADF system while shooting stills and video was beyond the budget/time allowed for release, especially given the recent restructuring - they're trying to reel in costs in a sharply declining market. They've had years to figure this one out, the gap between Panny's AF and others will get wider as face detection, eye AF, and AF-c tracking get further refined. The 4k/60p filmmaker market is minuscule compared to the general buying public - PADF on the GH5 would have tricked down to the volume models - which is the segment that needs it the most. In 2016 ILC sales were down another 12% to over 11m units, compacts continued to crater and shipped 12m units, for the first time in ages 2017 will see more ILC's shipped than compacts, of course due to phones. When soccer moms go to buy a "good camera" to move up from their iPhones and see the difference Canon's dual pixel AF makes compared to DFD as only one stays locked onto the subject walking around the store, its an easy decision. Personally, I haven't seen anything that constituted a "vast improvement" in IQ. Marginal yes, vast no. The current gen of m43 sensors has pretty much peaked IQ wise, until Sony goes BSI or the long rumored organic sees the light of day, there are no vast improvements to be made in m43 IQ world. Or any other for that matter, its always incremental. The GH5 still looks like a great camera, if I didn't shoot 25k+ stills a year I would probably get one. But for me, DFD doesn't cut it. As always YMMV. Amazing, I agree with others, a grading tutorial that demonstrates the steps you posted would be something I'd bookmark.

I'm with ya on liking cinematic looks over something too digital. I just found the AF100 highlight clipping was unpleasant and definitely screamed video to me. The color science was pretty blah as well. So was the GH2 color, for that matter. It just seemed better. Good 1080p is fine by me, I don't care that much about 4K. It's all about color and dynamic range for me. I realize that color in particular is subjective, so to each their own. 96fps mode is pretty crappy. I'll use it for the effect, but it's a noticeable drop off. Better than not having the option at all and I applaud Panasonic for at least offering 180fps. Interesting anecdote and not all that surprising. 5D3 raw and c100 II both consistently look great.