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If this is true then everyone should ask for it even if they don't need it, or even have a GH5/s for that matter. It would facilitate the democratization of this price segment even more by also putting pressure on Sony or Canon/Nikon if they decide to join as well.

Meanwhile, Sony updates the FS5 firmware and calls is the FS5 mk2!

I really like the ergonomics for such a camera, that I probably use with a speedbooster, or bigger lens, not so great with m43 lenses, even GH5 is a little more in both size and weight for my taste (even the 12-100 Olympus is too small and light for such a camera). It is actually a bit shorter and has less depth than the Panasonic, and obviously wider because of the 5" screen. I would really prefer a 4" screen, as the best compromise on-a-camera-monitor, and obviously some kind of hinge, preferably the kind of Samsung/Sony has that doesn't take any space from the side of the cameras, and help with lower/higher shots, but for the price, I really can't complain, can I?! If everything goes well, and nothing "better" (= more preferable for my case) exists until then, this is a certain buy. Just can't see how NOT having one for the price. I already have 4 mirrorless right now, I can sell a couple and get this as a more video orientated camera. It is that cheap. On the other hand, this is not a hybrid, nor a photo camera, I can't see that it will replace my hybrid system, or my photo taking machines, so I believe all this negativity against Panasonic is unfair, and really unnecessary as there are at least 5 things that GH5 does A LOT better than the Pocket (and a few more that Pocket doesn't do at all), and the most important thing, is that you can take it right now, and make a video. I doubt anyone here can say the same for the Pocket 4K! GH5 is 1 years old, and shaked the industry well. It sold amazingly well for such a camera, there isn't a company or a group of people that are in the business that do not have one, just in case. What it does is just amazing for the price. I mean, what were the other options last year? What are the other options right now, for less than 1800euros? There isn't any, really. Also, if you need an Alexa, you take an Alexa, how the GH5 is in the same conversation with a camera that cost as much as dozens of GH5, (multiple dozens, and add a couple of GH5s dozens, for good measure!) it is seriously above me. Do really people think, that Arri is doomed because of the Pocket then? We started from killing Canonikon, then we moved to Sony, today we killed Panasonic, and now we are moving to Arri, in just 24 hours!

Jesus we get you are not going to buy the God Damn thing. Give it a rest!

While far from the original pocket size, compared to any professional video cameras that shoot 4K Raw the new pocket could be considered pocketable. Or at least it can fit in a normal camera bag I am quite glad for the increased size compared to the original pocket actually. Proper heat sink, better battery, larger screen, better microphones, dual card slots and plenty of ports.

I think that's being unreasonable. For the buck, they are already giving WAY more than anyone else. I doubt that. They are happy offering ProRes or whatever else by the HDMI out. If Panasonic feels the heat (which nobody would really deny) they may reduce prices of their GH line. Other manufacturers may not really feel the pinch, because a lot of those don't really make the cut due to the 10-bit 4-2-2 mandate Netflix and other VoD and Broadcasters, and the limited recording times on those cameras are also a huge let down. I am guessing sales of the A7s series will be hit, because it too does good low light (much better), and it too has limited functionaliy as a photo shooting stills camera. Therefore, in essence, the BMPCCii has targetted the GH5 and GH5s' customers. Curiously having RAW via HDMI won't solve the problem. The Price Difference is too great.

Well that's pretty darn cool. https://photorumors.com/2018/04/10/major-firmware-updates-coming-for-the-fuji-gfx50s-x-t2-x-h1-x-pro2-and-x-e3-cameras/

Sure, but enjoy the 10 minutes of battery life With the T5 at ~3.40W peak power consumption, the runtime of BMPCC4K when recording would be ~45 minutes.

Sorry to remark: for the vital part (concerning "little or no advantages") it is not true. I am shooting every day (well, not exactly every) between internal and external on GH5. First, for some reason DNxHR codec works better than ProRes on Atomos. Second, there is significant difference especially in greatly suppressed Noice Reduction, but also in noticeable less sharpening with externally recorded DNxHR HQ. What previous poster, to whom you answered, stated is, I think, simply too superficial (or maybe naive) impression - "details" confused with absence of heavy correction, while at the same time claiming with obvious insulting tendency/dictionary about oversharpened rubbish - which get several likes of like personе. As @Jonpais put in the words my already long resource of enjoy: efforts of degrading to the zero quality of GH5 image in this (so often) theater of many omnipotence personalities are so funny and sympa. What is even more funny is to read how the same people that yesterday glorify GH5s or Fuji or what else new (actually, I believe even GH5 at its dawn) now started to minimize everything to favor of yet unseen new BMPCC - camera with modest un-cinematic m43 mount... Because RAW must be so great! - so, thanks for such original and powerful discovering - from these so powerfully sounding and discovering mouths.

I don't think it will be long now. Huge market for whoever gets it right and pitches it properly to consumers.

I do not like hyperbolic language ("garbage", etc.) and I think that subjective opinions on how videos look ("looks plasticy") do not add much value (but are interesting). However, I think that worse are personal comparisons that imply that some poster's opinions are more worthy than others'. While I think that is of course true, the weights placed are purely subjective and the criteria not obvious. The best videographer or DP might be a total ignoramus about anything but the camera he or she uses, or a paid shill for some manufacturer, or a poor communicator, or be logic-challenged, or see everything in black and white (not literally!). And an armchair enthusiast who never shot a video might know something others do not and have exquisite tastes regarding video art. Or someone may know more about optics, sensors, or production techniques without ever even seeing a video. Most respected critics of art (including film) do not paint or shoot. "Greater minds" is not conducive to free discussion - should there be prerequisites for posting (submit your videos, or take a test - which camera has the best low-light performance? why is 8 bit better than 10 bit? write down all the perks you have ever received from manufacturers )? Yours truly, a lesser mind.

Here is another unique use of ML https://petapixel.com/2018/04/10/this-short-film-was-shot-at-2520mm/

For size comparisons, it is in Camerasize already. http://camerasize.com/compare/#782,727

I agree with him, in the photography still world the technical performance has plateaued out, with only incremental improvements now. When will we reach this in the video world? I reckon the BMPCC4K could be the beginning of the end.

Well if you're going to bring facts into it ! My mistake.

No need to feel sorry for us PC users. Resolve has been cutting through 4K raw like butter for years. I've been shooting raw exclusively since 2013. Stopped using proxies in 2015. I've only ever used regular consumer hardware for post. Frankly, raw is old news for PC users.

I would also hold a camera with my right hand if I was going to film myself, and I assumer most right handed people would do the same, so that extra record button won't be all that helpfull. In the presentation, Grant noted he was left handed, and so it's perfect for him. Selfish man!

It was the default setting on the camera, UHD 4K instead of DCI 4K, all of them are ISO 3200. They didn't tape the card slot, so...

A Ha!!! Now you know how we sony a6500 owners felt when the GH5 came out... In all seriousness, I might sell my Sonys and buy an GH5 and some MFT lenses and then pick up the BMPCC4K when it comes out in September. Otherwise I was going to get the a7 III.

The price will intimidate many GH users. A large chunk of them like to think that their camera is the very best: anything more expensive is stupid overkill and anything equal or less is garbage. This price bracket seems to be where the most fragile egos exist.

I am! I've said before that I try to capture in a relatively neutral style and then I put in the work in post, and Resolve is my all-in-one. I'm excited by Fusion, more specifically for the stabilisation and the 3D titles. I'm really hoping that I can get better stabilisation than the Classic Stabiliser in v14, as sometimes I film in difficult situations and I need more stabilisation than Resolve currently supplies. The 3D titles will be cool, but I'm more hoping that combined with the tracker I'll be able to add 3D items into the 3D space I've filmed. I watched the 20 minute video from BM about Fusion and got lost about a third of the way through. It's like Resolve is a house and each tab is a doorway through to an array of controls that each rival the space shuttle!

The airbus a380 does the same thing with its windows - only it has wings and a full bar.

You don't rig an Alexa to film your kid eating with a spoon the very first time, you usually want something you have available, and full AUTO, because you have to live the moment too. I am not sure what ( @kye ) is your problematic here. My experience and impression is, whatever camera you have, if you are with your kids and you take photos of them, no one cares. If you are on a nudist beach with a 500X zoom camcorder, then you are suspect of something! Why do you think that a camera attracts too much attention on a zoo?! I have been to a lot of European ones with long lenses and no one ever asked me anything. I am scheduling one such visit in May and I am expecting to take one of my NX1's and the most tele zoom I have (50-200mm). For most people, vastly majority, a a6000 is more than enough, and that is why those cameras a6xxx have sold so much the last few years - cameras which I detest using, I seriously dislike them, but for an amateur, why not? Even my barber has a a6000 with the 30mm/2.8f, and he was asking me for a portrait lens today (55mm/1.8f was my proposal)!! Quality is good enough for most people (like 98% of the population, us, we, are such a very small group, while the whole world are billions!), and smartphones are getting there too, top mobile phones are good enough for most people already, you just have to pay top money, at the moment. No one cares for sound, as long as you can hear your kid's first words, or whatever (usually those cameras are shot with an -in your face - approach, so mics are really close to the subject), and most TV's, if not all, have crappy sound anyway, with tiny speakers facing your wall, and you hear the reflections, really. As I said, a phone, or a cheap mirrorless/compact, with a Chinese gimbal is what everyone wants, and really needs. Technology is already there. @BTM_Pix I am following closely this category, and I believe it is the future, it is just not there yet. My impression is that 8K is mandatory, there is just too much information, for small 1-2 lens-ed, low bit-rate and resolution, cheap mobile cameras. I have played a little with the Samsung ones, and they were really useless. The 8K will happen, and will push this specific category of cameras. It is inevitable.

You could just shoot in the 4:3 6K anamorphic then crop to widescreen like when super 35 crop on film is used tho right? Does that give similar res to the 4K mode? (haven't used a GH5 yet) Maybe they just feel people who're worried about the NR/sharpening will do this.

Yeah I got this pleasant suprise from CVP also!

I know it's probably not very relevant as price might change again many times before the actual shipping date but CVP lowered the price from 1029£ to 975£ (1235£ and 1170£ respectively inclusive of VAT). Is not much but is a slightly better exchange rate from $1295 :-) In other news we are above 500 preorders at the moment and this is just from one retailer in one country, I really hope they expected this kind of interests and will be able to ramp up production accordingly!

lol... it's offensive? To who? The camera? Come on... The GH5 has an image that looks like plastic. When you compare it to the detail you get with Red or even Alexa at 2k... then yes, it's garbage. And I'm a BIG fan of Panasonic actually. That's why I'm being so hard on the GH5. I know what they're capable of... the EVA1 image is fantastic. The Varicam image is also one of my favorites of the major cameras. The GH5 ACTUALLY resolves a great image... in the 6K abamorphic mode... where it looks like it disables the garbage Sharpness and NR settings. So all Panasonic has to do is write ONE STINKING LINE OF CODE to disable the horrible, horrible, image-processing. This again, has nothing to deal with one's personal work. It literally doesn't factor into the discussion about camera images.

It depends. A juggernaut in the retail camera space like B&H may get a line of credit in the form of net 30 or net 60. So if you pay B&H $1400, $1200 goes to Black Magic. So let's say B&H sold 100 cameras in pre-order. They will probably get a shipment for 120 and they will owe B&H the cash on the 20 in 30 or 60 days.

Bullshit! I've done this in the past, it's a perfectly acceptable way to fund manufacturing cost. You spend your capital on R&D, then you do pre-orders to fund initial manufacturing. One of the more difficult things to predict with a new product is demand. If you overestimate, you'll tap available cash flow which can be painful. If you underestimate, per unit cost are higher and lead times longer because you have to wait to get a slot for a new run. Pre-orders takes care of both of theses. Just order 20% more than your protests and that will be a good first production run.

OMG I am!!! I started cutting in Resolve a few months ago and I am never going back! Honestly, just the way the grading and speed ramping works, it saved me 1/3 of my time not to mention the file conforming. I am going to give 15 a shot soon too. Honestly, BRAVO Blackmagic. Your team is amazing!

Sometimes I wonder if a few posters ever shot anything, really... Sorry to be sincere... :-) You can always smooth practically anything, except a considerable weak acquisition codec at low bit rate as for instance or under certain severe artifacts such as aliasing or moiré or yet from insufficient color sampling (not exactly the case there for 95%-98% of the circumstances), going along dedicated craft and proper skills on both capture and post. - E.

Tried v15 Beta 1. Here are my initial impressions: It's very simple and fast to add titles. There are many predefined 3D templates. More templates will come for sure. LUT Browser is awesome if you use LUTs and want to try different color grades Improved speed and interface. Improved noise reduction. In v14 noise reduction was good enough for me. V15 is even better. Very easy to remove objects and/or spots / blemishes on the footage Whole workflow is well thought and using all the tools is easy and quite intuitive. Bottom line: It's my only video editing software now. Has everything I need and like it a lot. Well done Blackmagic.

You must be on some kind of drugs then. I've never seen a GH5 video that didn't look like absolute garbage at 4k... hell, it doesn't even look like a proper 2k image. The Sharpening and NR have no true off settings and it renders the detail as nothing but over-sharpened muddy-plastic. I'd like to see this GH5 video that has the "nice detail" you talking about. I'd love to be proven wrong...

Well if you want a weather sealed robust camera built to survive out of the studio you might see the price difference as worth it. Also the GH5/S is much smaller. Has a flip out / tilt screen. Time code anyone? Also if flying on the new DJI Ronin M the GH5/S will work with the built in follow focus... confirmed by DJI at the show. BM... err no. Need a flash? How about dual SD slots? CFast is expensive.., I know, that’s what my 1DXMK2 eats:-) Battery life important? Well then. Hey, I’m sure the larger screen is going to be great. But I promise you if you crank up the brightness you will eat through batteries. And if you are recording raw aren’t you going to need to add an external recorder/monitor anyway? BM was mighty careful not to go on camera with any of their claims. Panasonic did not shy away. They stated they can add raw output. So if things get heavy they will likely just add that in the new Prores Raw format and be done with it. They said this at the show.

Looks like the width could be an issue for gimbal use.

It's a great update, but it would be better if they had added Eterna instead of F-log. Sad but true.

Pretty much, but I find those USB chargers are slow — takes a few hours to charge to capacity. USB-C PD runs at like 14v instead of 5v at I think 2A, so it puts out more juice meaning you can charge batteries faster (it’s how USB-C laptops accept charge through USB). A 1hr fast charger for a single battery would be ideal, so as one is depleted you should have a spare, and one mostly charged. If it can take power from a V-Lock battery that’ll be even better. This isn’t an issue if you’re charging overnight, and charging slower is probably better for the battery anyway.

I would imagine in this day and age pretty much every parent is taking videos. And they are probably doing it 90 % of the time or more with their Smartphones. Heck they are certainly good enough to do it with. Now how they are saving them, other to the cloud, well I bet they are not.

20 second grade. Hope I didn't mess up too bad.

Good to hear another firmware update is coming for E1 owners, I wonder what it will be.

I've got two of those. They work pretty well, but not 100% reliable as far as knowing when a battery is actually full. I still like them though and are my primary chargers for my Micro.

haha! I doubt it. Plus you'd need the BMPCC4K to be able to record 8+ tracks at once itself.

Different sensor design, has quite a few pros/cons vs Terra 4K. (arguably the Terra 6K is "better", but the Terra 4K is newer and I know people who owned a Terra 6K then sold it once the Terra 4K arrived) Terra 6K is same sensor as in the KineMAX 6K, while Terra 4K is a totally new sensor for Kinefinity (probably the same one as in the GH5S?).

Suddenly noone can shoot without IBIS, RAW and dozens of thousands of ISO!

This new X-T2 firmware will be like getting a new camera. Top marks to Fuji.

Nokton for fun today at my place, stills grab from clip 1 hour after midnight - f0.95, iso 1600 (or rather 3200), for my eye everything around was completely in the dark, but not for the eye of mr Nokton

I agree, but I also believe that the GH5/S caused a lot of discomfort to them already, the Pocket and the rest, are just the nails in the "coffin". Of course their large (huge) user bases (and lenses sold) give them some time to react, but the industry is pushing for innovation, and GH5 was the first - very important - modern release.

Interesting for sure, and H.265 main 10 profile. For most people that is more useful than raw and whatnot, if it wasn't for the Pocket, that would be the most amazing camera release this year, but after the pocket, everything changed(and can record prores LT for lesser projects)! I am wondering, what are the big Japanese corporates are thinking after these couple of days?

I normally wouldn't say this if its a $1500+ camera.... but its a sub-$1500 camera that has $8K+ camera capabilities.... If you make the mistake of putting it under water, freezing it or drowning it with sand... buy a new one!!!

This thing is going to kick ass! And Only 1,299.00