Leaderboard

As someone less than politely pointed out on the other thread, I appear to have been a bit of a lazy arse in the almost 12 months since I tripped over and found the Cinelike d thing. You may recall it happened because I was researching making a hardware controller and after several iterations, here it finally is. And yes, it does look rather like a calculator doesn't it? The different iterations (including an Android app at one point!) have been in pursuit of making something small, standalone, self powered, fast connecting, push buttons and with an integrated screen at a lowish cost and, well, here we are. Here is the finished spec and features : Compatible with all Panasonic Lumix cameras that can be controlled by wifi Integrated USB rechargeable battery Full colour screen 20 keys with 3 bank switch keys giving 60 direct switch operations of functions Control of Aperture, ISO, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Colour Profile, Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness and Noise Reduction. Automatic unlocking of Cinelike D and Cinelike V on GX80/85, LX10/15 and TZ10 Control of manual focus in fine and coarse steps Control of One Shot AF Control of Record Stop/Start Store and Recall 8 focus points 4 selectable transition speeds between focus points Store and Recall 8 setup presets (each consisting of Aperture, ISO, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Colour Profile, Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness and Noise Reduction) Presets are stored in non-volatile memory so are available in any session. Boot time to camera connection and control under 2 seconds. Wifi control range tested to 20m. Optional accessories : Interface module to support Nintendo Nunchuck controller for manual focus control (native lenses and adapted lenses with smart adapters) and zoom (integrated lens cameras and power zoom lenses only) Wireless interface module to sync remote record and stop on supported Tascam, Zoom and SoundDevices audio recorders. The controller fits a regular cheap cellphone to threaded adapter holder so as well as being used handheld it can be mounted to anything you have a need for with the right attachment so could be on a cage or a gimbal or whatever. I'm going to be doing some more testing of it in anger in the next couple of weeks and I'll put up a video of it in action then. So, I have been a bit less lazy than first imagined By the by, the controller has both wifi and bluetooth so it begs the question would anyone be interested in a version of it for the Pocket 4K ??

Theoretically, any of them which can be controlled over wifi. The only Sony camera I've got is the RX100M5 so I'm using that as the testbed so I'll be back to stalking camera shops to test other models! It should be able to control the same functions as the Lumix version but there is an issue surrounding focus control. Its not listed in their API but...well...you know....hacks and stuff Maybe. I've got a use for the MicroStudio (which is controlled in the same way) so if I get one then I'll obviously look to creating controls for it. I do have a mechanism for an option this where I make a monitor app that runs on Android that the controller talks to and passes the commands on to the camera. Well if you want to incorporate retro gaming technology into camera control then, of course, that is catered for as well ;)

I do want to stress again that the S-log 3 in this camera is actually usable. My A7rII's log files were extremely noisy, A7III is pretty damn clean up until 3200 iso.

Q:What is better than being on a 48Hours Team? A: Being on *TWO* teams at once! As I worked late through the night and barely slept... But by my own choice, because I'm certifiably insane! As after we wrapped I then went and joined another team to do their sound through the night.... I must be mad. Then after a very late finish last night with the other team, I got up early in the morning to help on sound post for my main team for 48Hours! We're getting closer, the finish line is creeping up.

I'm not going to bother analysing the 'stolen clip'. It's completely pointless and all based on assumption. We know the camera was a pre-prod model so why is anyone bothering being so critical of it. I'm sure BM will release some footage soon that we can then judge properly.... Until then, everyone's getting worked up over nothing.

Can we stop down voting every post that can be remotely interpreted as critical? Everyone knows and agrees this is a revolutionary camera.

Honestly I don't care if it's exactly the same camera (or product) as something already existing as long as there's no hiding or misleading people about that fact. My friend has a few of their monitors, they are exactly the same as some I have (Feelworld and a few other names). The only thing I think is weird about that company is it's misleading/confusing pricing of monitors and the way in which you order them. That being said people can operate as they wish, it's up to you as the consumer whether you purchase it.

Great footage (and music)! Thanks! Interesting. The tests are required every time one starts the camera? 1800x1030 works for me. What's the longest run time you've achieved with that mode? I've heard some good things about the Viltrox focal reducers. I have the RJ focal reducer for the EOSM with a Nikkor mount, and it was used in a couple of the shots in this test (along with the 18mm-55mm kit lens): All of this footage employs the All-I frames video hack in a Magic Lantern build from 2015. Frame rates were 23.98 fps and 59.94fps (yielding 1280x720 which was scaled up to 1920x1080). The Flaat 10 picture style was used in all shots with the first shot ungraded, but I gave a touch more snap to the contrast of the rest of the clips. The ISO was set to 800, but noise was prominent in some footage. So, I'll probably dial the ISO back down to 100 or 200 when possible. The bit rate was boosted to 1.5x, but I got a hiccup (dropped frame or doubled frames) four seconds into one of the shots. So, regardless of the cause, I will probably back off of that setting and bring the bit rate down to 1.3x in subsequent shoots. A screw-in ND and a polarizer were stacked, so. occasionally, there was slight vignetting. However, there was some weirdness with the vignetting moving/changing in the middle of shots, which could be attributed to OIS, except that same behavior seemed to appear in the shots with the manual Nikkor 20mm with the RJ focal reducer. Have to take a closer look at this apparent phenomenon. Anyone have ideas on the cause? This test was rushed, and I forgot to change the shutter speed from 1/60th to 1/120th in the first 60fps (slo-mo) shot, so that clip looks slightly smeary. I see a little moire/aliasing and a moment of banding, but I think that this imaging quality could work for a lot of situations.

I guess Mercer meant a version which probably attaches to a monitor or a a Smartphone so that one can see the video. The Linux app does this, but the interface is meh and the functions seem limited. Also it has a strange delay and it drops way too many frames and has very low resolution. I wonder if these controls can be ported via an app to a smartphone too? I love the way it is, I am curious because sometimes I want to shoot something Guerilla style, without permission and I would love the flexibility of checking the composition or video from my phone and pretend that the camera around my neck is off or something. Wow. Like a multi-cam controller, swappable according to which camera you're using at the moment. Very impressive. Wow. So you've already added juice to the BMPCC4k. It may just be able to pull 60 mins or more. That's excellent. Fair enough. It would be a waste to unnecessarily stock mounting options, especially when people could crib about quality control on those. Excellent. This is probably the most exciting hack in the M43 and Mirrorkess space this year. And even more exciting is it's Black Magic (and multi-cam) integration. Wow.

Hi, Sage. Thank you, yes, this v2 is really what i need. Great lumiance level after transform LUT! one thing i have to chek: i think my grey card is not 42 ire:) i think its about 30... i will buy x-rite passport with true 42 and check it:)

Yeh it's good enough. Not as good as GH5 ibis but good enough

This is really impressive!!! It makes me want to buy yet another GX85 or a Sony camera. Which Sony cameras will this work with and what kind of controls are you envisioning? What about the BMMCC... Is there any way to produce a version that has a monitor as well... with clean, multiple connections that would attach the monitor through HDMI and also hook into the other connections for menu control? Also, an Intellivision controller overlay could be a good idea so the operator can easily see what each button works. And then you could just switch out the plastic overlay for each camera.

Goodness me. The camera has two card slots. One is SD. The other is....????? And it can record through to USB-C as well. JB

@TwoScoops That's the write speed and resolution the 5D4 could achieve if it had magic lantern enabled, but it doesn't yet. Could be years before we see magic lantern on that camera.

Personally I would reset the camera and then re-flash the latest firmware 1.41, it seems that you have a software glitch that hopefully this will correct. https://matteverglade.com/cameras/nx-firmware/ Good luck.

I think it does. RED Gemini also loses 0.5 stops of dynamic range when using the "low light" mode, but given they clearly say that the low light mode is for "low light only" and the fact that they generally overclaim their dynamic range, I feel like it's probably 1-2 stops as well.

It has an internal micro SD card slot actually which will be used for boot mode selection (i.e. Lumix,Sony or Blackmagic) and it would be easy to write a settings log to that for each recording instance. The Blackmagic protocol has a 2 value control for screen brightness (I'm going to take a wild guess that these are ON and OFF !) so, yeah, thats not an issue. Yes, it will be done in batches. It fits in a standard cellphone to thread mount adapter like this one (which is being used to attach it to the gimbal in the first post) and after that you can mount it to whatever you want. These are between £3 and £5 on eBay so there's no point me re-inventing the wheel and doing something myself. As its a modular product, there is actually a wrist watch variation I've done of it with just the screen. No, really. Yes, it will be reaching a wider audience once a more thorough presentation is ready.

Hi, take a look:

@kidzrevil, i like your saturated flat look...! no idea what this has to do with hdr or rec 2020... i was actually thinking about you when i was using a polarizing filter to kill some reflections the other day, and i was wondering if youve ever used one to get some even deeper colors? ive always avoided them for fear of an unnatural look, lack of reflection/translucency with skin, etc, but the footage i shot for fun had a really great feel to it. might be cool to try ?

Indeed, and also strange so many remain convinced without seeing any footage from the production camera. For myself I will wait until the real reviews are out. With official footage. This camera seems interesting... let’s see if it lives up to the hype.

Great. Any application of this for sound recording as well? My understanding is that sound does not work with lossless compressed, right? Perhaps with higher speeds one can record uncompressed with sound.

We moved the shop to Resolve 14 (with networked workstations) this year. Definitely looking forward to 15 exiting beta as there's some really exciting stuff in there (We're going to wait for at least one service release before moving up, though. It took at least 2 before 14 was solid.)

I've uploaded another video with the SD card hack: @tupp It takes about 3 or 4 minutes to do the two tests before the sd overclock is ready to use, and then the camera runs as normal. You should be able to shoot 1920x1080 in 5x zoom mode without overclocking in 10 bit lossless - you won't get much record time but it's feasible. I can already get nearly continuous shooting in 1800x1030 12 bit lossless movie crop mode. I did notice it isn't possible to shoot video without the "release shutter without lens" enabled, don't know if it would be possible to get around that with Magic Lantern. Also, unsure if I mentioned that Viltrox are planning to do a 0.71x focal reducer for EF-M mount - they told me it should be out in the summer. I don't have a bmpcc speedbooster any longer so this should be a cheaper alternative, with the advantage of electronic contacts for EF lenses.

I think its perfectly legitimate to do that as well but for some reason its really, really wound some of those people up ! I was being a bit loose with that word as in the UK racism law the definition of race also incorporates national origin. The correct term I should have used of course is dickheadism

it's the same cinemartin brand as those suspicious "cheap monitors" that never came to be sold and that were supposed to be rebranded chinese product?

Not as yet but I suspect even on here we'd struggle to match the argument going on about it over at NewsShooter - with the designer no less - where there are accusations of plagiarism, lies and even outright racism with someone claiming because the designer is Spanish it will never get finished on time ! https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/05/09/cinemartin-fran-8k-camera/ Main bone of contention/accusation seems to be that some posters are convinced that Cinemartin are passing this camera off as their own https://www.ximea.com/en/products-news/pci-express-camera-cmv50000

From the article : "A North-American company, producing special cameras for the movie and defence industry - Photo-Sonics, founded by Adolf Furer in 1924 - used many Nikkors with special converted mounts." Boy, that was a hell of an unfortunate name to have a few years later. Reminds me of this

Nikon's Cine lenses http://www.nicovandijk.net/cinelenses.htm

When this camera arrives there will be no more rain Jon. There'll only be sunshine and nice things for everyone.

I thought they’d already discontinued the pocket ? Watch that become a cult camera if it isn’t already. I think they’ll keep the micro going for some time. It’s really a different camera. In the photo above the camera has a wooden camera cage, a Noga arm and a BMD 5” VA as the operating monitor. On front is the SLR Magic 10mm T2.1. I’m manually focussing myself, using peaking on the VA. By way of example almost all of this promo is either Ursa Mini Pro or Micro using that exact rig. This whole scene is shot Ursa Mini Pro I have used a LOT of Ursa Mini Pro and Micro in the resident. Not just as an insert camera, but shooting whole scenes using only the Ursa Mini Pro. Most scenes have a mix of Ursa Mini Pro and ALexa, and I’d estimate more than 40% of the show is Ursa Mini. I tend to use the micro camera for these kinds of surgery shots where I can very easily reach into the scene and get super close before diving down to almost inside the surgical field, and then transitioning back to another actor. It keeps it very agile and alive shooting this way. I’d anticipate the Pocket 2 will replace this rig for these kinds of shots. JB

Actually you were pretty harsh on the visual aesthetic and pretty judgy, calling out the filmmaker for being pretentious and daring to call their work a "film". Not exactly collegiate and something that smacks a little of elitism. You weren't just merely asking for an opinion. You assassinated the work first and then asked for an opinion. You weren't merely calling for opinions on if it was cinematic. You slammed the film and a bunch of creative choices that aren't anything to do with the camera it was shot with and asked for consensus on if this was a cinematic piece (and by extention implied if the camera was capable of cinematic work) Then when someone else posted something you thought did look cinematic, you blew it off as not being the camera but the filmmaker. You're tying yourself up in knots a little trying to make a point that I'm not getting. JB

This is where I have face palm every-time someone says it's the same sensor and then go onto extrapolate on why the images aren't (or are! ) the same. There's so many things about how you set up the sensor, from how fast you clock it to what other behind the scenes image processing and pre processing you're doing. JB

Here is an extensive comparison between A7rII and A7rIII also illustrating the improvement in color:

In all my testing I've found the existing settings work fine on the A7R III. An update is coming out anyway, with some extra bonuses and tweaks.

Just a few months ago I had an FS5 and Shogun Inferno with RAW update. The kit was great however I didn't't really enjoy using it. So I ditched it and went GH5, and I find the quality of my work has improved due to the creative liberation and portability you get from it. If I did get any of these cameras, I'd probably go C200. Got Sigma ART lenses, Canon colour and DPAF = win! Not at all on the list though. Depends on what I'm doing.

I reported earlier that that the camera was dropping frames. It may well be that 12bit raw produces too much data for the current cards to write at 30 FPS. Don’t be surprised to see the specs change on this camera.