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Here's a couple screen grabs of things I filming today. I shot in ProRes LT, because it's for 1080i broadcast. I'm over the moon every time I look at the stuff I've filmed with this camera. It always looks fantastic. These are improv actors at Comicon, so I had no control over the lighting, or over the actors - just filmed them as I saw them. Viltrox booster with Sigma 18-35.

Magic lantern is making a lot of progress with 3K+ on the 5D mark 2! Seems what happened with the 5 year old mark III in 2017 is now happening with the 10 year old mark II... 3K announcement: https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19336.msg205638#msg205638 Initial 4K progress (10.5 frames per second): https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19336.msg208417#msg208417 Initial 5K progress (6.5 frames per second): https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=19336.msg208355#msg208355 The 5D mark II has always been limited to 30fps, but there is also some progress in getting higher framerates: https://twitter.com/autoexec_bin/status/1048804509827452928 The forum user reddeercity has some builds on that thread. I am super excited about this, even spent 100 pound on a new motherboard to fix my camera. Video I made using the 3K build: Shot in 2880x1080 resolution, Graded + converted to ProRes using MLV App (https://github.com/ilia3101/MLV-App), edited in Pitivi on linuX. Lenses: Jupiter 9, Helios 44, Takumar 135mm, cosina 19-35 (for one shot) If anyone wants an MLV or DNG or something from the video I can provide.

The Feelworld 279s is significantly brighter than my onboard monitor, which is rated at 500 nits. It looks a little green out of the box but has user-configurable RGB sliders and a green-magenta slider so I'll have to tweak a little bit to get the colors spot on.

Already posted? Good video for new users.

https://petapixel.com/2018/11/23/nikons-z-mount-can-accept-f-0-65-lenses/

It's actually a good point it not having 60p 4k. It hadn't occured to me that it didn't, so I was glad for the info. And its a z6 thread, not a z6 autofocus thread, so perfectly on topic.

What is crazy we are not too far away form that probably happening. Maybe this is it. We will know soon enough. Drones and Smartphones are advancing at a incredible rate compared to normal Video Cameras.

@DBounce maybe DJI actually makes the World's BEST Vlogging Camera that's terribly inconspicuous, has superb stabilisation, good sound, good dynamic range, reasonably long battery life; and does equality good video and photos.

Looks good - especially for $200. Apparently the non-SDI version (without the "s" end) FW279 sells for $259.99 regularly. This seems to be the best deal going if you don't need 3D LUTs... Thanks for sharing the photo!

You can't make up the DR or colour fidelity in post.

I think you can just go out and buy some of the cheaper Pentax, Minolta, Canon FD manual focus lenses and be done with it. The difference between a Pentax SMC lens and a Contax Zeiss for video is a pretty small gain. In a sense the Zeiss are too good to be honest. Hardly Filmic being sharp. But they do have a special look. And personally I don't think shooting in 4K is ever going to look Cinematic. It is just too sharp especially on a GH5. They aren't known for being very Filmic to start with. The PK4, yeah that can have that look in spades. The Tiffen Pro Mist filters can take the edge off of too sharp of lenses. Cheaper way to go, at least to start with. And maybe using Sage's LuTs he has. He has done a good job with them.

I can't afford to shoot on big guns like Alexa, RED or Venice, so I'm never really getting the true potential of 4K from a 4K H.264/5 camera. Bring on the 8K. So long as most of these Japanese camera makers are going to continue to deliver us 8bit H.264/5 files, at least give me more resolution so I can make up the difference in post.

I think the video AF is pretty good. Not as good as Canon, but with some consideration to the limitations more than usable. I’ve played with most of the top hybrid contenders and I place this camera in the lead position assuming video is important to you. Stills performance is quite good, AF is acceptable, but given the lineage there remains room for improvement. Perhaps a firmware tweak can improve upon this. An update did greatly benefit the Panasonic GH cameras, so there is hope. Certainly Nikon is less than pleased with reports of their AF underperforming.

For the price it just isn't much of an upgrade as far as I can see, though if colour is stunningly better that would be good, but I think there are better options from competitors, personally It's good in theory, but you better nail your focus and have a damn sharp lens!

Interesting results from Slashcam: https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Der-4K-Vollformat-Herausforderer-Nikon-Z6---Bildqualitaet-im-Videomodus.html Among other things, they doubt that it's a full sensor readout in 4K, and also there is a slight crop when using N-Log.

Have you tried using optimised media and Render cache yet? as I doubt you will get smooth 4k editing without it. I spent a long time setting up my laptop based setup and this was the only solution. Even my 10 core overclocked workstation with 1080ti struggles with smooth playback on some media (esp in Premier).

You could split the difference and adapt Voigtlander EF/F primes. A nice modern cinema aesthetic, but much safer and more flexible as in investment.

You can't really go wrong either way. The Voigtlanders are great lenses. Vintage full frame lenses are also great and have the added bonus of being adaptable to pretty much anything. I personally would probably go the vintage route. While I'm invested in MFT and have no intentions of leaving it any time soon, nice vintage lenses are going to retain their value more and be usable no matter what happens to MFT. And like you said you can get some really great and unique footage with them. Ultimately though it's up to you and your preference. I've looked into buying used Voigtlanders glass and they seemed to be holding their value pretty well when I looked over the summer.

I bet so. Pretty killer combo. Reason why I'd love to see 4K 60p via HDMI once you have there a recorder able to offer it. Here others claiming the same chance from.

Don’t know about 8k myself - would definitely like to get away from 8 bit though.

I have just put a bunch of money into MFT and I think apart from choosing the lenses that give you the right look, the elephant in the room is about investing into the MFT system at a time when everyone seems to be going to FF. For me, I don't see my GH5 as an investment - it's something I will pay to use for the next few years and at some point I'll sell and take a large loss, or would keep as a B-camera. I suspect that my MFT lenses may also suffer the same drop in value, and I'm ok with that. If you're ok with that too then that's great, but if you're not then I'd suggest you consider what the MFT lens system is likely to be worth when you're up for your next camera upgrade that isn't MFT. Maybe the system will live on and if it does then that's great, but if it doesn't then be prepared for that outcome. In terms of the 'look', you can always buy sharper lenses and soften them in post (which works to some degree) or buy filters that will do the job in-camera. The added advantage of filters is that the look is adjustable, eg with Tiffen they supply various 'strengths' so you can choose which you like, or even buy multiples and swap depending on the project. With lens softness (eg, the Helios) you get one look (including the Bokeh, which at MFT crop isn't that strong, but is still there) so you better be happy with it.

FF 8K RAW shooting camera with 16 stop DR and anamorphic adapter..... on a gimbal!

Yeah, let's focus on topic rather than attacking people only because someone may not like to read what they write. Even because I think we all agree or should agree at least, freedom of speech on such neutral location : D doesn't hurt... Wouldn't it be better to have no crop on the new Canon FF offer BTW? Or then, once we are in a Nikon thread, getting the chance to have 10-bit 4K/60p even from a possible APS-C crop on Z6/Z7 when connected with HDMI output? You said, internally. Ah so, if I had bashed the device (if you were used to read my posts other than along this thread, you'd know I am not the crying baby stereotype you may extract from your short shot) I wouldn't be pointing out the lack of 4K/60p over HDMI. This open door is what I'd like to hear. Seems some inconsistency from your judgement. Moreover, I'd pay to see some care on giving us (all of us, not only you who act like you are the thread or Nikon users' spokesperson) 4K 60p coupled to the Atomos recorder. Yeah, why not? Here's where the unfair trolling accusation against my position stands. Someone who only wants to join a party is (invariably to some of us, variably to a few, I see) NOT a troll. I would never call someone a loser either only because I would be the worst of them behaving like that in front of everyone. No hard feelings anyway. We are all adults, ain't we? : -D No pun intended from my side, fellow; BTW those smileys in your post now were funny, Simon : -) The world is not us not our class, but the other one at our side, whether we like him/her or not (E : -)

I thought the point of this forum was to share ideas and tips and tricks and knowledge, not litter the threads with posts about what we think this or that particular device is lacking and how we would buy stuff if they only had this or that feature :)))))))) :PpppppPPPppPp like, we all know the new canon has a big ass crop in 4K and only one card slot, just like the Nikon, and we all know there’s no full frame consumer camera that does 4K 60p internally, fucking move on ;););););)

You insult someone else here at the distance of your mouse and come popping up with the idea your attitude is cool? Give me a break, man, what else you want to address with the usual expressions on here? PM me, I already told you. What refrains you? More show off? Do you feel better to insult other posters over here?! Is that the case? What should I write to you now? To recommend you a shrink specialist because that's not my field?! Don't you hint all this approach as ridiculous? How old are you? Here's another one... LOL Sarcasm is not an exclusive of yours, mate ; -) Here you have another usual smiley of mine. Better than to send you an insult back, dude. Respect the readers. I try, at least. What about my comment? Why not to strictly restrict on topic in behalf of everyone here? I inferred this Z6/Z7 series have such a smooth autofocus I'd appreciate to have as tool. I just refrained to buy a Z7 unit because of lack of 4K 60p as much as I refrain myself to write what I think now about you. What's the beef against that?

Well, if you find a better picture of yourself to come to insult someone you have no clue about, only because you didn't like what you read, your in your own. To me, a loser is someone who has no guts to say it face to face and prefers to hide behind a little keyboard covered by an anonymous alias far away, addressing such lovely words in so fancy no lower attitude. Other than that, I am at your disposal in private mode to handle anything you want. I can even give you my physical address whenever you want to come to meet such a loser in your words but personally... ; -) On your easy accusation, no, I am not trolling at all. I am only point a missing feature I see in this Nikon offer in 2018. I don't even start to shoot and call it a loser device either. Go figure on people who addresses me a balanced and fair-minded comment. Is that the way you face any fair observation on topic? The worst people on earth are used to play such game, dude. Who's a loser after all? Get a better angle on your portrait : ) Ah OK, we have no idea of your name, isn't it? I guess you ain't Simon Young nor Young fellas who are used to like your posts now... LOL : -D So, no hard your shit hit the fan... What about to call your attitude a fine example of the most silliest fanboyism?

I would have bought one (Z7) if they had added 4K 60p. Backorder canceled. But that was my previous post... What does it make you to quote it now four hours later? ; ) And not when you liked Simon's post four hours ago...? LOL First off, you're losing the whole point. Z6 related thread but actually Z7 related post too. The post I quoted, mine I added, as well. Why, you ask? Because I'd love to have a much higher resolution hybrid (add a bonus here as Nikkor collector for 2 decades now) with smooth autofocus and 4K 60p, triple in one. Anything against that? : -D When you'll find such Nikon deal, let me know, I'll very likely buy one then... : P

Markets vary according to national regions, go figure worldwide or industry segments. No need to set up a hierarchy in-between, nor hostile vibes neither showing off.

Hopefully, a smartphone will beat them to the 8K punch, so that some asshat will be able to do a comparison review and single-handedly annihilate what remains of the ILC market.

Also with H.264 and similarly highly compressed codecs the CPU does the decompression and not the GPU so your CPU is the limitation and not the GPU. If you want to have smooth playback you need to render optimised media and enable the render cache which will be done by the eGPU but then the resulting media is much easier for the CPU to playback.

I'm a bit confused about the apparent incredulity of Sony releasing an 8K camera sooner rather than later as well. We have already had this video on here before but here is an interview from the BBC with a Sony Senior Manager at Photokina where he clearly states that they already have it but will just decide the timing for the customer. And the little smirk at the end of the interview doesn't exactly hint at this 'correct timing' being several years away. (Ignore the hero frame, the link will start the video at the start of the interview. BTW If you haven't seen this video before it is worth rewinding it to about 4:06 to watch Canon's European Vice President being somewhat disarmed by the direct questioning of the BBC journalist)

Is playback done with the GPU though? - AFAIK it's used for the main processing tasks which include rendering difficult compressed codecs to ones that the CPU can playback more easily and this is where I get the major benefit as just using the internal GTX1050 causes the laptop to throttle down to a crawl after a few minutes of intense work due to heat buildup. With the eGPU rendering cache takes a few mins and I can edit with ease and the laptop stays cool and the CPU will run at 100% all day long.

Most of them aren't going to be shooting on mirrorless ILCs though!

Extra resolution is helpful when doing any transformation of the image in post. A great example is Anamorphic. I’ve been developing a method for reducing some of the mumps in the middle and extreme compression at the edges of my anamorphic footage, and pushing those pixels around can definitely start to muddy the image. Downscaling 8k to 4K or 2K will also reduce noise by summing the data from multiple photosites. I’ve recently finished a short film, got a DCP authored at 2K, and it looked fantastic in the theater. There’s even 1080p footage in there. You can’t tell. There’s definitely an edge seeing the 4K master file on a good monitor though, and I DID do mild reframing on about a third of the film. Having thrown something up on the “big screen”, I can absolutely see the benefit that “overshooting” (with respect to delivery resolution) would have. That being said, I don’t give a rat’s rear end about Sony cameras. Their look is the most unpleasant thing to look at IMO. Hopefully Panasonic sticks one of these in their mkII FF body, or in a fullframe EVA-2.

Yep. "better"(color) is a tougher sell than "more" (pixels).

Well for narrative probably not, but I guess newfoundmass has never had the pleasure of clients asking you for CSI ENHANCE because they want to focus on something else in the shot.

I can't tell the difference on 1080 monitors without zooming in but I've never seen 4k on a 4k monitor or 8k on an 8k monitor. To me though 1080p is good enough for everything (unless you need cropping). The bigger deal breaker right now is internet viewing. 4k looks way better then 1080p on platforms like youtube due to compression. At a movie theater, ehh not really imho.

I will never understand, do you shoot or are you just some kind of geek. Because I will never understand people that says thing like that. I mean, can someone at real viewing distance even see more than 2k. The perfect example is the Alexa 2.8k sensor, I don't see anyone complaining about lack of resolution. It is just the geek that might find it sexy to be able to count every pores in an actress face when stopping the image.

I've got the same CPU, 32gb of RAM, separate SSD for media cache and optimised media and a 1080ti in an eGPU and it won't play smooth without optimised media and Render Cache. Premier doesn't use the GPU as much and can't therefore exploit an eGPU but YMMV.

My Macbook fighted with h264 4K25p 100mbps 8 bit files OK. It's on its knees with h265 4K50p 10 bit files. 8K it's the last thing I need from a camera for the next ten years!

16bit is ordered by marketing department. Even 14bit is only useful at base ISO, beyond that you only waste the extra bit with noise.

I haven't seen a sport shooter with 20mp or 24mp camera who says "I need more pixels".

Unfortunately the Moore law and hard drive technology are not developing as fast as the sensors. I can't even imagine the hurdle to edit 8k video in h265 and/or store it in raw. Proxy can help for editing but not much for storage. The latest high end CPUs are just expensive rebranded server processors. Most NLE don't use all these cores and Intel keeps postponing the 10nm architecture because they can't manage it. In terms of hard drive technology, the first HAMR and MAMR drives should be available next years with increased capacity but the prices should hurt because of the production cost. Right now I'm very happy with 4k and I prefer to focus in HFR, HDR and 10-12 bits codecs. I'm no against 8k but computer are not ready for this yet.

I don't want or need 8k.

Ah great so you bought one? or what precisely does the Z6 autofocus have to do with 4K 60p?

Well, I didn’t expect it, but at least you got the sarcasm. Go troll somewhere else. Like, wth does your 60p got to do with autofocus? Loser.

U mad bro? Hahahaha oh my god too funny You quoted my honest post to the thread which was about autofocus and wrote something completely unrelated together with your usual shitty smileys. In what way was your message meant to be constructive? Address? Seriously? Hahahaha Get a life.