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IBIS ✔️ FF 4k ✔️ 10-bit internal ✔️ 120p 1080p ✔️ 4K 60p ✔️ In a mirrorless body under $4,000 ✔️ Well the Panasonic S1 has ALL of those requirements and ships in less than a week....

Sure; it depends on what you'd like. Fuji and BMD have very good, usable color. I personally will use P4K with GH5; I hope to have EC to do a production this summer. 8 bit is tricky; I'd prefer to only support 10 bit cameras, though I will try to find a way that will give viable production level results with 8-bit. I think Log is not really in the cards there. Bit of really cool news; last weekend, the director of a film starring Josh Hartnett wrote to me to say that they were using the GH5 with EC as a pick-up cam alongside Alexa Minis and XTs. He said that a senior Star Wars colorist was doing the grade, and said that 'everybody was very impressed' with it. I was pretty thrilled with that

It's Canon, what you think will happen lol.

From my perspective it has got a slightly somewhat smarter body design for audio, at least compared to the original Alexa Mini which was pretty awful. The timecode connector is in a more sensible location, and it has gained an internal scratch mic (wish it had four track recording, like say the FS7 has, then you could have both internal scratch mics plus an external audio source being recorded all at once). Plus the audio input is no longer in the awkward spot at the front, but why oh why did they have to change the Lemo connector to a completely different type??? (previous it was 5 pin Lemo line level only, now it is a 6 pin Lemo connector for audio. Oh well, I guess that is yet more audio cables I must buy) No. https://www.facebook.com/DavidCMPeterson/photos/a.277946442237979/2435658336466768/

Still external, still crap ergonomics with a recorder, still a wobbly HDMI cable. I want INTERNAL raw recording.

Buy a GH5 and put a speedbooster on it. Problem solved and for 1500 bucks to boot.

The Angenieux 35-70mm is parfocal & is vintage loveliness - also, is about the price range you mentioned, but can be had cheaper. NB: the 28-70 isn't, nor is the cheaper Tokina ATX Pro version of the 28-70mm (some people say that it is, but that is BS - so beware).

Early April Fools?

It will be a while, so buy a temporary camera to use in the meantime. Make sure its well specc'd and robust so it lasts long enough to fill that gap.

With the announcement of bankruptcy we thought this was all over? But no! Fran is the camera which keeps on giving!

It would be cool for sure. Speaking of the R. Picked up my second R a few hours ago together with the 35mm f1.8 IS Macro. That lens has officially blown my mind. It is insanely detailed without being to sharp. IS works quietly. AF is fast. Before preordering my personal R the 35mm itself was one of the main reasons. Now I know that my thought process was justified

not completely diy, i have had a small rig for awhile i also have an elmoscope anamorphic lens plus some other bits and pieces, i'm looking to intergrate everything together in a nice robust package without the use of duct tape and chewing gum

Yes funny how the S1`is the only camera that ticks all of the boxes from the OP and yet folk then feel the need to move the goalposts and ignore it. I think the S1 is by far the most compelling of all the recent mirrorless 'full frame' cameras, and the image is looking lovely to my eyes. Here's another little short, love the colours

You just asked and answered your own question

it will be lossy raw only ,720p cropped , 8 bit raw. and if you put a ef-s lens then it will be limited to 5 minutes max recording time and no audio (there will be a paying firmware upgrade next june to get the audio back, it will be called "magic candle" )

That's really weird. Makes you think Leica doesn't want non Leica lenses on their cameras, and have asked their "partner" not to allow it. Perhaps it's how they intend to keep the Leica brand "premium?" Frankly it seems rather short sighted. And it'd be nuts if it extended to actual L-mount lenses made by Panasonic and Sigma. But maybe that's the only way to have been able to use the L-mount on their new cameras? If that's the case though, I'm not sure why you even bother and just don't make your own new mount?

The Panasonic S1 does have all of that now. It's sort of weird how much people have been ripping on the S1 - No, it's not a full-frame GH5, but with the upcoming V-Log/10-bit update, it's pretty darn close. Every other manufacturer gives us internal 8-bit 420 (Sony, Nikon, Canon), big crops (Canon), no 60 fps (everyone), etc. Add on that Panasonic has the best ergonomics for video by far (in my opinion) and a great XLR adapter, and you have a very capable camera.

Would love to see these features added to this pair. It would boost sales hugely. I’m not sure what, if anything can be done for the crop in the R, but if it could be addressed many would jump on board.

That's why I'm Panasonic S1. If something revolutionary, I'll buy it. If not, I have a very capable machine for $2500 that accept EF lenses

You misunderstood me. I am brand agnostic. I use Canon for 10 years because everyone has it and my lens library and now switching to Panasonic. I buy various glass from all manufacturers not just Canon. I couldn't care less if Canon, Nikon, Sony kicking whose butt. To me, it's only a tool. I don't own their stock or have any victory when one company do well. If Canon goes out of business, I can see why. They are very complacent, but they also business savvy enough to focus things that will sell well - M50, EOS RP, glasses etc. They just aren't catering to the pro yet. I really want Sony and everyone else to do well. They are so close to making the perfect camera. Intangibles that everyone else got it right (Panasonic, Canon, Nikon) Sony couldn't. It should be easy to make a better ergonomic, fully touch screen LCD and redesign menu. I would be totally switch over to Sony. If the A7RIV/A9 offer a bigger body with all these features, I would switch over to them. I'm sick of Canon. In regard of Sony fanboyism: I see alot of people bashing on Panasonic S1 paid FW article on DPreview, and most of them has Sony gears. I remembered Sony PS3 vs Xbox debate. It seems they grow up and bought camera. It's really petty

I will add the Lomo Foton 37-1400mm to the mix. One of my favorite lenses, it has a vintage look and a softness that balances out some of the sharpness of digital. It is very small and relatively light weight, considering it is all metal, and can be found for under $1K. It has an interchangeable mount that you can get several mounts for I know PL and EF for sure. It's biggest issues are that it is not very fast T4 and covers s35 so no full frame. Also they are from the 70's and 80's so condition varies. One thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter if the lens is parfocal if your FFD isn't correct.

They did. There wasn't a big announcement over it, but they released a FF version: Kind of cool. The big external recorder I imagine limits the usefulness... the C700 is already big. I think the new Arri Mini FF (though worse in low light, I expect) and Venice will be more attractive options. But I'd love to see a FF C300 MK III... can't imagine it would be affordable.

1Dx Mark iii i assume if the rumours correct

Fujinon MK 18-55 and 50-135 Canon CN-E 18-80 and 70-200 are the cheapest. If you are a Sony user, the Sony E PZ 18-110mm f/4 G OSS Lens (SELP18110G) is acting like a real cine lens, it isn't, but acts like it and it is very convincing at it!

If you are going to use an LS300 then of course it can turn every prime lens you own into a parfocal power zoom

I wonder if it's some sort of over compensation for always playing catch up. Sony has no real "firsts". And even if that doesn't mean anything, because it doesn't. It seems important among spec hunters.

Another question is when will any camera manufacturer give you those specs? Probably not for a long time. And when they do it's probably some h.265 crap. It sounds like it's time to graduate from messing with stills cameras and getting a real video camera. Won't be FF though.

im totally with you. id like a raw option but its whatever. and im willing to pony up $4k for it too~! and get into the R system. but thats what its gonna take im shooting my next thing with a gh4 and maybe some 5d3 raw shots for dof. its gonna look great. literally nobody cares about the difference in stuff like this except for ppl like us anyway ? so canon has to actually make a camera that makes me happy for me to seriously ~look~ at the r lenses... im sure theyre great but theyre absurdly expensive, and all this adds up to quite an investment oh, one more thing, - FLIPPY SCREEN ✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️

B4 lens are optically designed to pass through a prism, which splits the light waves into Red, Blue and Green light waves, one for each of the 3 monochrome 2/3" CCD sensors of the B4 Camera. Each color light wave has a slightly different arrival time, which the B4 lens optics are designed to compensate for. Without a prism in the optical path of the B4 lens, they do not perform well wide open at the wide end and are too soft. If you are stopped down then they can look OK especially at the long end of of the lens without an optical adapter. B4 lens can be adapted with an optical lens adapter that is designed to correct the arrival times of the Red, Blue and Green light waves so that shooting it wide open and at the wide end the of lens performs well. Depending on the camera it is possible to shoot 4k with a B4 lens. For example the the USRA Mini Broadcast comes with a 4k B4 adapter standard and expands the image from 2/3" by ~1.5x to cover the 4K 1" sensor. The GH5 in EXT Mode (~1.4x crop) with an Abakus 132 (~1.32x crop) adapter should cover the 4k cropped sensor EXT mode depending on the lens. Blackmagic also sells a 1.1x B4 adapter for the USRA Mini Pro. If you have a 2x extender on your B4 lens you should be able cover about a m4/3rds sensor crop depending to the B4 lens, so if you shoot 4.6k, your resolution is about 3k with the B4 lens and 2x extender. There are other B4 lens adapter options as well, just don't get the B4 Magic by Fotodox - you have to stopped down or it is soft, so what it the point? It's not magic to say the least.

Yeah, voight 40 or Konica Hexanon 40... and ditto on the Kowa 16-H/8Z. It’s the best of the 2X projection scopes.

If you're looking at Panasonic then the FZ1000, the G85 and the G7 all are decent options. The G85 has IBIS which is an added bonus and probably has the best AF out of any of them. Not to be a jerk to fellow posters, but "just have her use her phone" isn't really helping the OP. Given he's asking for suggestions on cameras I'd assume he'd already ruled using a phone out for whatever reason. And FWIW, even though I have a capable cell phone that shoots decent video, I always use a camera whenever I can because I know it will always get better images. Just my 2 cents.

I mean for the Alexa LF specifically over a regular Alexa, I don t have the exact numbers in mind but It cost about 3 times the money to rent a LF over a regular Alexa , plus the extra storage and battery consumption. So for a small commercial that just overkill, in my experience the majority of decently produced jobs will try to be as cost effective while maintaining a good output, that why the Alexa mini with let say a set of kowa anamorphic is popular, it s fairly cheap to rent and get you the look .

Aren't a lot of B4 lenses parafocal? Depending on the sensor size / crop that might be an option.

Absolutely agree. The one thing I've learned from shooting family videos is that the moments you're after happen without warning and tend to be interactions between the kids and the outside world. This means that you need to always be rolling, and need to be filming everything so you can get the action/reaction shot sequences. From that point of view...... TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

If you let their 5-star technical service take care of you, no need to wait any longer than 1 week, as my most fair bet would be same business week with the odds in your behalf : ) You're actually a lucky shooter because this camera is worthy of much more than any waiting... The best acquisition device I've ever used ; -)

Still looking for magic bullets? The Sony A7s is affordable. btw, what happened to that Canon Zoom lens, that was going to be the best lens in the world and you were the chosen One to have it,etc... Do you see a pattern here?

There are a number of them listed here on a Pentax forum. PK mount is easily adaptable to other mounts but a number of the lenses listed from 3rd parties would be available in other mounts anyway. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/201887-list-parfocal-zoom-lenses.html If you are looking for a cine lens then the RED 18-50mm PL zooms do pop up not far off that price point from time to time.

As much as I would drop it but constant struggle with daily Sony Troll cant be unseen.

Raw internal on EOS R won't happen.. even Raw Lite on C200 is CFast only. ProRes Raw externally via Atomos, that would be best shot. However since RawLite has been available since C200 release this sounds like nothing new being presented. Probably just a tweet to engage..

I played a bit with my Insta this past long weekend and it was great fun. Everyone loved it and were truly impressed, a lot more than my Mavic 2 Pro or the huge bag of 4 mirrorless and 5 lenses! I downloaded some GoPro VR plug ins from Kolor Pano website for Adobe Premiere and made the whole editing process a breeze. Maybe the Pocket 4K is the last traditional camera I am buying. Imagine in 2022 a 360 8K camera with m43 dual pixel sensors.. I am truly and genuinely impressed by Insta. You shot something on the beach, and while having a coctail or beer, you export your 360 video or edit a "normal" version.

I loved my time with the Micro. Being an FCPX user, it was great having those ProRes files to directly import into FC. Unfortunately, I was an early adopter so there weren’t many options for rigging and being a run and gun, hobbyist filmmaker... it just wasn’t practical. Now there are way more options, I even noticed that Fotga recently released a cheap, little 5” monitor that has LUT support and the ability to power the camera... it takes Sony NP batteries. So needless to say, if I come across a Micro for the right price, I’ll surely buy another. Heck, even the Micro Studio 4K now exports a Raw signal through its SDI and could be a great little camera to pair with an external recorder.

Agreed... for some purposes. But if the intention is to view on a phone or iPad type device in a casual and fun environment then, yes, the quality is absolutely there. I had mine on the snow earlier this year - initially I thought it was dreadful and was going to bin it. But my wife thought it was fabulous and watched the fun rather than the banding, dubious stitching (at times) and any number of other limitations (features?). The ability to let your audience reframe is astounding and produces a genuine immersive experience. I think it’s used by Sky Brown (who must be the coolest person in the world) in her BBC sport video.

Its less pronounced in this test but the black area above the arm of the chair shows milkier to my eye. If you put an eye dropper on those areas in photoshop you can see the r,g,b levels rising between f3.5 and f8. Interestingly though, the r,g,b levels do rise together (i.e. 0,0,0 from the border to 13,13,13 in the f8 shot) whereas if you do the same with the Super Takumar you will see how it is more biased in the red channel in those areas. Anyway, as I say, its far less pronounced in this shot so we've probably both wasted far more than the $4 you paid for it in electricity scrutinising it so I'd live with the quirks and call them character

Well, The cameras are massively more expensive to buy/rent, most content end up in 1080p on youtube so that a cost hard to justify. 4k+ camera also mean more data and more expensive post production. Plus the DOF is more shallow, when you pull focus it make things harder, and if you want a deep DOF you need more light if you want to keep the iso low. I don t think that much of an issue, they are many options available both modern and vintage, available already and rehousing solution for those have already been here for years Even the alexa 65 use rehoused mamiya 645 glass for the Arri DNA set ,and people are fine with it, vintage cinema glass also breath, much more than modern glass . For FF/vistavision you can get old cooke double panchro, panavision glass, leica R glass, russian glass ect....

Definitely so, I remember even Roger Deakins opted against using the alexa 65 for Blade Runner 2049. He didn't like the look and went with the mini and alexa xt! Full frame/large format isn't replacing super 35mm anytime soon imo

Interesting. I watched some of the wolfcrow review of the LF (I know some people here don't like him, but he has more experience of the industry than I do) and he said that the feedback from rental houses was that the cameras with larger than S35 sensors just aren't that popular. He suggested that the manufacturers might have overestimated lots of people would be coming from FF DSLR revolution to cinema cameras, but who knows.

In full auto mode you have to use the default Samsung settings. You can use "P" / Program mode and use the custom color profiles and still have the camera auto set the shutter speed, F stop and ISO.

I find that using the pre and then working as if I had shot in V-log works very well when using HLG. I was somewhat forced into this workflow when I bought the Ninja V because of the whole video levels thingy making v-log impossible to use if you want a reliable preview on the monitor. I find HLG more or less as good anyway though, so doesn't really matter much to me. Some examples of using HLG with GhA: