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Another quick and dirty demo just so you know that I'm not sat on my arse not getting on with it. This is brought to you via the medium of a family pack of Golden Wonder crisps and a microwave to illustrate fast snap between points and also continuous refocus as the king of low cost potato snacks approaches and retreats. It is using an Olympus 17mm f1.8 lens wide open. There is no ramping set but as with the 3C app this will be an adjustable parameter. NB. I was not preparing to put the Leica and those pickles in the microwave. TOF_31_7.m4v

I should probably write this on a blog,. but since I don’t have one (yet), I thought I would try to document my recent experience putting a video together. Hopefully it might provide some usefulness to other beginners getting started. This is the first project I’ve done which I feel came out -roughly- how I imagined it. Although there are still a LOT of problems with the footage and end result is far from perfect! It was a great learning experience, and I was able to experiment with a lot of techniques. Type of video: Dance / Music Video -> Technical Details: Camera: Sony A7RII Lenses: 16-35 f4, 28mm f2, 55mm f1.8 Lighting: Street lights, and Yongnuo YN360 Light Wand RGB for fill on some shots. Location: Osaka, Japan. Editing and Post: Davinci Resolve Budget: $0 Main Challenges: Biggest challenge was probably finding locations with enough available light. I didn’t really have the budget or space to set up lighting, and we were shooting in the middle of the night in the middle of winter. I had a lot of trouble getting shots to stay in focus, largely due to my own inexperience. Things I learned: An external monitor for checking focus is essential. I bought one straight after this project once I realized how many shots were out of focus. The autofocus on the A7RII is too unreliable with a subject moving like this. I should have just stuck to manual focus. Doing everything solo is really hard. I would have loved to have an assistant, especially for help with lighting. I need to learn a lot more about visual effects in post. I mostly just messed with layered footages and blend modes for this.. But I wish I had the knowledge to do more interesting effects. Using different shutter speeds / angles can be very interesting. I experimented a lot with both high shutter speeds to add stress and tension in some shots, and also with slow shutter speeds to add extreme motion blurring for specific shots to match the music. Getting the right shutter speed for the effect I wanted was tough though. Going too slow became a mess, but if it wasn’t slow enough the effect was too subtle. Planning is important. But so is having the flexibility to scrap a plan when see something and go with it on the spot. Color grading is hard and confusing. I need a lot more practice. Getting good exposure / dynamic range is way more challenging in video (I’m more familiar with photography). I ended up with a lot of blown highlights and crushed blacks. I would love some tips on how I can increase dynamic range or avoid under/overexposing. I’m still really unsure what settings I should be using on the A7RII. Especially for color accuracy and dynamic range. That’s about all I can think of. Questions are welcome. As is any feedback or advice anyone has. I know it’s far from professional work, but I had a lot of fun on this project and am looking forward to improving my skills in the future. Thanks for watching & reading!

Did you just say fam? ? ? eta: Just seen your location, which makes it less likely you meant to say fam. Pity.

That's why I hate Sony cameras. If they made their APS-C series in the form of a G9 or GH5-style body... without all the Sony issues (overheating, rolling shutter, color, IBIS not being that effective, poor ergonomics, prioritizing microsizing causing missing out on certain features/implementations, etc)... I might've been all about that. Such a shame they're just nightmares in real-life whilst looking so great on paper. Then there's the whole lack of continuous development of dedicated compact APS-C lenses. See, shaving off a few mm here and there doesn't do much in terms of portability (it does hurt the amount of space inside to implement stuff, like making sure there's effective heat dissipation). But if you can have a smaller sensor then you can also keep lenses smaller and lightweight (and generally more affordable). But they've been neglecting their APS-C lens line-up for years and years now. So... what's the use when they say 'well, use our fullframe G Master series, APS-C or not, it's E-mount all the same! And you can start building your lens collection until you finally decide to come over to the darkside and shoot fullframe'. Thing is... I deliberately do not want to shoot fullframe. Especially seeing how far MFT has come. A GH6 will leave very little to wish for in terms of sensor performance. And although I could adapt lenses like the Nikon 'Bourne' ones, which are huge and chunky, I would have the option to use small stuff, like any of the f/1.7 primes and share the mount with an even smaller camera such as the GX80 (which might be small, but still is reliable).

Ive just finished up shooting on a Netflix Doc. Main cameras were C300MkII's and I was on the Pocket4K (on a Ronin S) with Viltrox EF-MFT adaptor, Sigma18-35 1.8 and Tilta Nucleus. Shot ProRes and sharpness is not an issue. Images look fantastic with this combo IMO. Maybe I just got a very good copy of the Viltrox adaptor. This is awesome! PMing you an idea I have......

I agree with Andrew on this. VLog on the S1 is friggin' spectacular. It destroys the A7S, A7S-II, GH5, GH5-S and beats the FS7 with no trouble. Showdows are clean in VLog, even with noise reduction turned down to zero, there is so little noise even at 2000 ISO...even in pitch black night! (Thank you Panny for giving us actual noise reduction control!!!...I doubt Sony will ever allow that) My A7S-II used to be my "go to" low light camera but this S1 destroys it. The A7S-II's 8bit readout was always "splotchy" as Hell in the shadows and would clip the blue channel WAY to easily in SLog-3. The S1? No way,...its shadows are smooth as silk. Just super clean and highly detailed in VLog. V-Gamut protects each RGB channel beautifully too! Tell me: WHO'S SENSOR IS IN THIS THING??? CT P.s......4k raw over HDMI is coming. I have a good source on this.

As part of weaning myself off monopolies this month, I'm beginning to move EOSHD to self-hosting video embeds in reviews and blog posts. The advantages have been pretty clear from today's experiment. 1. Poster frame / thumbnail quality much improved vs YouTube 2. Playback responsiveness better than Vimeo 3. No content ID claims to worry about 4. No advertising 5. No Vimeo DMCA hell to worry about 6. Files stay safe and under your control 7. No YouTube comments So I am serious about doing this full time now after the first experiment today for just a few hours. Unfortunately the server burned through nearly 1GB per minute while the video was up... and that's just one video, in one article!! It could easily amount to over 10-20TB per month for a site like this. I'm looking at Amazon S3 file storage. But cannot make head-nor-tale of the pricing calculator. https://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html Potentially it could be cheap. Let's suppose 100GB of space, 10TB per month of bandwidth served... The price I got was $20 per month but I probably didn't enter something correctly. Seems too low for me. For regular users, it shows what a good price Vimeo is... Even if they suck. And I can't even begin to imagine how much bandwidth YouTube sucks out of the internet. Save the planet!!! Turn it off!! On the Wordpress side, I am using a nice HTML5 player plugin, which scales the embed automatically to the page width, provides a cute little download button for the original file, and even converts the video to different resolutions allegedly and supposably uses HLS buffering... whatever that is. The foundations to making our own Vimeo are right here my fellow EOSHDers. Just need to make it cost effective. Maybe a subscription like Vimeo will help me launch it in a bigger way, and not just for myself and my own embedded videos. PS - Does anyone know why YouTube's thumbnail is so badly compressed and low-res? How do I change it so it uses the high res poster frame?!

Thank you very much for the info. This seems like a pretty significant issue. In short, for everyone using old film lenses, Samyang/Rokinons, and a lot of different primes (you have to know the exit pupil location of that particuliar lens, which you can't, except you have an optical bench or the manufacturer states it), you are gaining a lot with this specialized speedbooster. If you shoot mostly zooms and teles, not so much.. Depending the sensor stack and the lenses exit pupil location, the difference can be (with 1 as max, and 0.85 as an hypothetical perfect lens) 80% worst! Now, in real life both are very difficult to happen, but I see a lot of combos that can take this number to 30% loss, or something (I am not sure if I can read the table right, maybe this number is too pessimistic). I can tell from the data that APS-C and FF are near 2-2.5mm sensor stacking. For some reason, most m43 are 4-4.5mm, so Metabones doesn't lie, BM cameras with m43 mount need different Speedboosters. That's all in theory of course, but there is not only smoke.. I wonder what those extra layers do on the other m43 cameras and if the BM P4K sensor can still be considered the same as the GH5S.. As I see it, one more specialized item to rise the total P4K cost.

LOL...Filmic Pro log profile on an iPhone can take some *really* nice footage if you try. You can't get depth of field, but with some NDs you can get some great footage.

I have used my P4Ks with the current Metabones 0.71x adapter with many different lenses (usually the Sigma 18-35) without issue. I have not noticed a single issue with the IQ when using the current adapter. I would be very interested to test my current adapters and the new ones side by side. To hear the marketing speak from Metabones, the newest adapter is the greatest thing ever Having a longer mounting plate would be cool, but I just got the mount for my cage and it holds the adapter well. The existing M43 Metabones adapters work well with the P4K. Will the new Metabones adapters work better? Probably. But, it isn't like you have to run out and purchase one. The existing ones work well.

I've lost track of all the simultaneous conversations about this G7 to be honest so was answering the right question in the wrong thread or the wrong question in the right thread.

Yeah, I think that tech tends to stop when it starts approaching the limits of the human senses. Think about the race to increase DPI in printers, but now the dots are so small that you can't see them and no-one seems to care much any more. We obviously have a way to go with video still, and VR will really kick things into another whole megapixel race, but considering that it's gotten pretty good and the fond memories many have for film were based around it not being razor sharp, we're definitely in a good position with the tech we have.

Or you can choose not to believe the Metabones marketing hype and just use the adaptor you have. I'm sure Metabones will sell more speedboosters by saying that you need a new one for the Pocket4K. And to be fair, this has nothing to do with BMD. BMD is not going to say you will need a new Speed Booster and it's not their problem in the slightest anyway. Again, I used a Viltrox Adaptor on a Netflix Doc and no-one has had any complaints about the image.....and that's comparing it to the other C300MkII's using L series native glass we had on the shoot. Comparing to FS5II is strange too. How much do you need to spend to record RAW or even a 10bit codec to the FS5? You can 100% shoot RAW and 10bit with the pocket 4k just by adding a lens (Which you also need for the FS5), variable ND filter and a few extra batteries. I think you are over reacting.

Well, well... https://www.metabones.com/article/of/SpeedBooster_for_BMPCC_4K?fbclid=IwAR1cX0wTLMDww7q6-fhs513CYCDMg7Hf1QA2AcbA8oZjyZnR5jBsmNYCdn4

I've already asked if it can be modified to make cappuccinos...

True and that reminds me of this short film: Okay, this is what I'll do, I'll use some B-Roll and overlay with narrative audio for my documentary.

Please deal with this account: https://www.eoshd.com/comments/profile/45696-tompeter/ This isn't someone who "barely interacts" in the main forums, but has zero interaction with other members in any other threads. His account purely exists to spam the For Sale Subforum. With all his links promoting hotdigital-international (& others) eBay accounts. (just done by an automated bot I'm sure) Perhaps if he was posting really good deals then his spamming would be tolerable, but they're not. Every time you might click through to look at the auction you just think "meh", they're never even close to the best deal you could get on eBay. And the volume and which this bot account posts to the For Sale Subforum is so high that it spams the forum with unnecessary posts, diluting down the actually relevant For Sale posts made by forum contributors here.

It's funny. Zillions of people are waiting and waiting for the A7S-III. Its like Charlie Brown in his field waiting for the Great Pumpkin! The A7S-III is HERE and it's right under everybody'nose! It has: Full frame sensor (Very likely Sony Exmor) 6k full pixel readout to 4k scaling 14+ stops of dynamic range 10bit 4:2:2 4k with clean HDMI out 4k 30p 4:2:2 full frame no time limit internal recording. 4k 60p in "Hollywood" Cine super35 frame size. Full size HDMI with 4k raw on the way. Waveform scopes Huge battery Varicam color science....so delicious!!! NO OVERHEATING! Boom!.....that's 99% of what we wanted in the A7S-III....yet nobody is paying any attention to the S1 yet. (Only some people) The S1 should be the industry talk of the town but too many people seem to be unaware of it still. Sony is going to target the S1, not the S1H. I dont know if they can match the S1 using their tiny A7 bodies but lets see how far they go. S1H?....haha...Sony wont touch it! With 6k raw, Its going to be WAY over spec'd for Sony to even attempt to try. They dont have the bawls and XDCAM + Sony internal politics will never allow Alpha the chance.

How about everyone on here getting off their Fucking ass and go outside instead of on the Web all day, and maybe do some Charity work instead of listening to Pink Floyd! Might be a novel idea. Believe it or not I do. Anyone on here that can afford to do this shit owes something to Humanity. They are a LOT luckier than a lot of people. End of Rant.

Hard to find something cheaper, you will have to get another G7....probably you should get something better and leave the G7 as the b cam,

I swear that is a GH2 with some ex-tele shots in the mix. Could be wrong. Looking forward to when everybody reveals what they used. Keep em coming!

Foreword from Amusing Ourselves To Death, 1991: We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian Nightmares. But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Country to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As we saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think. What well feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared that the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions". In 1984, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us. This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell was right. Some much recommended light Summer holiday reading.

Whenever I feel depressed about the state of YouTube I have a laugh at Ethan's channel. One of the best at lampooning the worst of YouTube behaviour. The medium, being a computer based algorithm, is not much cop at curating a culture. So of course it has convinced people that fakery and lies are real... the biggest prank of all is Brexit. It would be interesting to know which channels the young generation are aspiring to be like... Pewdiepie probably comes close to the top. Professional Fortnite players on Twitch maybe. It's not got much humanity in it... It's all very machine driven. After all, it's a machine driven medium. Fake lives are now real lives. Fake news is now shaping the real agenda. And in the eyes of the next generation, those pedalling the fake lives may as well be superstars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message Any old dated shit for an idea gets attention on YouTube if it has a hotness factor. 15 million views Do you think next generation see themselves dicking around in posh house with a swimming pole making casual fair like this. Do you reckon our culture is fucked? Or am I just having an old man moment?

Those are actually the spare ones That particular lens is a bit of a heavy breather which makes it look a bit off particularly in snap mode but the sensor needs a bit more tuning too. More samples in a few days and a bit more of an insight into how the other non-ToF aspects of the focus controller work.

You should buy one or two more frying pans, you never know.. I can see a middle step before it focuses on target or my eyes are flipping? Anyway, congrats!!! ???

The e2c is a cheap version of the e2. It shoots 10 bit 4K and will eventually shoot raw for less than $1000. I kinda want one lol

Definitely ProRes RAW. Still do not like external recorders. After watching the video I realized how good the BlackMagic menus are!

It is referred to as sensor stack ... https://petapixel.com/2014/06/10/sensor-stack-thickness-matter/ It is why many Leica M wide angle lenses perform so poorly on Sony A7 cameras ... Here is a link to a video by Filippo Chiesa ... BMPCC4K and Speedbooster ... read his comments on AC and glow .... may be related to the stack thickness. I assume that if you use a SB it should be designed for the camera in question ... otherwise you lose the benefits of the great glass you have mounted ... the Metabones smart adapter without glass avoids the problem but you lose speed and boost in angle of view.

That would be a mistake. The market for stills is excellent as it is. You have megapixels, you have speed, great AF for cheap. Video is the battlefield.

Lately I've been missing Aperture- not for the image processing results but for the workflow and interface. For me its more intuitive and faster than Lightroom. I started looking for Lightroom alternatives and so far I haven't found anything better, but more importantly anything close to what I liked about Aperture. I haven't test-driven everything, though. Hope there's an alternative or someone makes one leaning towards Aperture design- Lightroom is clunky and slow.

I know two people that are in the sensor industry. One of them has purchased sensors from Sony for his company. He is under NDA but he has told me that this is how Sony sensor liscensing works. Its not "buy a sensor and get everything" deal. You buy the sensor and license what features you want. If you pay for and licence 8bit 30p and you turn around enable 10bit 60p....you get sued! Your license is specific and affects the price you pay. On the IMX410....we dont know if its that sensor! Why?....because that sensor has dual pixel phase detect architecture! That sensor requires pixel masking...that Panasonic says they HATE doing and wont do on a Panny camera. (Part of their excuse as to why the "prefer" contrast detect AF...even though every moden camera makes the dead pixels on every sensor today) Maybe it is a IMX410 variant with the dual photosite grid removed in the die. We will never know untill Tech Insights x-rays it. The HILARIOUS thing is that every year at NAB, the Panasonic booth continues to say that the GH5 and GH5-S are "Our sensors that are made by Panasonic"....yeah right! Nikon says this too! Why do camera companies HATE admitting they are buying common Sony sensors for their cameras? Is it really THAT embarassing?

Having taken apart an A6500 before, I can see why Sony have such bad overheating issues. Internal layout is a pile of pants. They need to take a lesson from Panasonic & Sigma. Very thin heat spreader on the processors and RAM. No heat pipes. Heat spreader backs onto the warm rear LCD, trapping the heat. The Sigma Fp solution with proper heat sink sandwiched between the processor and screen but vents at the side in open air, not to the back of the screen, is much cleverer and shows you can still keep a thin, small camera, but manage heat effectively. Laptops show you can have a thin design with heatpipes. Sony just can't be arsed.

Yes the idea behind a phone is it could also serve as an upgrade to my iPhone 5s while being a wide-angle b-cam. In the end then it would save me money and filmic pro log v2 does really good in terms of dynamic range. I know my bad My first posts had to be verified and the first g7 thread wasn’t verified my a moderator so I opened a second and here we are. I’ll keep it to one thread if you all want to move this discussion to the one with 5+pages.

nah a lot of us younger US boi's say fam. But I believe its mostly a UK thing iirc

Some topics I am researching for a documentary at the moment... I really like Adam Curtis on the BBC, he's made some incredible stuff. His collaboration with Massive Attack on a film with live sound track was a highlight. So was Bitter Lake. What stood out about that one, was his riff on the film Solaris... Our anamorphic LOMO favourite by Tarkovsky. In the movie, the Russians encounter a planet which causes strange hallucinations on board the spacecraft, like the captain's dead wife appearing. As part of the research mission they notice that they can change the surface of the planet by irradiating it, not realising that all along the planet was irradiating them. It is interesting, because at the same time the movie was made in the 1960's, Marshall McLuhan coined the phrase "the medium is the message". Here is where things get really spooky... McLuhan claimed that the medium itself changes and impacts society, controlling "the scale and form of human association and action". Cinema for instance, is a medium that changes the concepts of speed and time. From Wikipedia: I think what's happening, is that mediums are acting as a mirror and feedback loop. The medium of TV for instance influenced the message, the content and both together influenced society, which in turn was reflected back in the medium and the content, creating a feedback loop which has resulted in our modern times being as they are... I.e. pretty fucked up. I have realised that today's social media and the internet have created an environment in the world, by its mere presence. Just like those first few lightbulbs and the first spark of electricity. And this environment poses a severely underestimated danger. And at this point it is worth mentioning a book from the early 1990's about show-business... It's called Amused To Death, by Neil Postman. Prophetic doesn't even begin to describe it. "TV has conditioned us to tolerate visually entertaining spoonfuls of material" it claims, to the detriment rational public discourse. This guy was a lone voice at a time nobody could see the wood for the trees. He warns that there are real and present dangers from the age of show-biz and pop-culture, that all normal people ignore because it's "just entertainment". Now fast forward to 2019. What do we have... We have a culture that is utterly destroying itself. The rational opinions, intellect, long-form content, long periods of single-minded focus, are dead. They are dying in each and every one of us, not just in society at large. We're transitioning to a global digital medium that surpasses TV in influence by far. That's social media. Even the internet in terms of websites like this could be a thing of the past in just 5 years, reduced to just a Facebook group with content measured in sentences or single phrases, and discourse measured in who can shout me down the loudest. I'd love to know what Postman would think of this if he wrote Amused to Death today, as it makes TV make positively tame, as a force for change in society. Just like that supernatural, dangerous planet in Solaris, we're being irradiated. The digital world is a dangerous form of inhumane radiation, like acid rain to an old building. Our culture is changing. Our kids are carrying knives. Our politicians are tweeting. Instability is increasing. And the music... FUCK. The music is getting REALLY SHITTY.

I don’t want 8k either. An internal nd and some form of 10 bit / raw would seal the deal. Unless it is $4000 and only records 8bit 4:2:0 internal and 10 bit 4:2:2 external. The gh4 was doing this in 2014 and can be had for $600

Sorry I should’ve kept it to one. Will do so in the future

For me the master of deep depth of field photography is the iPhone. On a large sensor, the whole point for me is fast apertures and that subject separation even at a distance. Very three dimensional. I wish somebody would do another Digital Bolex for when I want deep DOF cinema. Maybe, maybe not. What if it's all just coolaid marketing from Sony... And the real reason for the no-show, is that the A7S II didn't sell all that well compared to the others and cannibalised some of their FS sales too. If that's the case maybe Sony are just not giving the project the priority it deserves, which is why it's taking so long. Who knows... Just have to wait and see. It's very disappointing to have to wait 4 years though... Given the innovation showed by others (Fuji, Panasonic, Blackmagic, even Nikon.) It's a nice list isn't it... Reads like our unrealistic dream wish lists from just 2 years ago. Here's how Sony can add to it: Better AF Built in ND Erm. That's about it. I don't need 8K. I am not sure what else they will bring in the A7S III that will be more useful and practical than being able to focus and expose properly without hassle.

Tools in the right hands always does wonders. Regardless of the cam

Oh snap! ?

"Fast snap" was another clue

Think you missed the part where he said

Absolutely. Three different flavours in one multi-pack. They are spoiling us.

Man looks up on a yellow sky And the rain turns to rust in his eye Rumors of his health are lies Old England is dying His clothes are a dirty shade of blue And his ancient shoes worn through He steals from me and he lies to you Old England is dying Still he sings an empire song Still he keeps his navy strong And he sticks his flag where it ill belongs Old England is dying You're asking what makes me sigh now What it is makes me shudder so well I just freeze in the wind and I'm Numb from the pummelin' of the snow That falls from high in yellow skies Down on where the well loved flag of England flies Where homes are warm and mothers sigh Where comedians laugh and babies cry Where criminals are televised politicians fraternize Journalists are dignified and everyone is civilized And children stare with Heroin eyes Old England! Evening has fallen The swans are singing The last of Sunday's bells is ringing The wind in the trees is sighing And old England is dying This is one of my fav poems... by Mike Scott from that gem-song up there : -) That said, hope no one may wonder if happens to ever be related to the country with same name : D

Sold my Metabones XL for the sharper, adjustable and cheaper Viltrox. The EF-BMPCC from Metabones is great but the once for MFT are overpriced imo.

Not just dumbed down, I think our ethics are slipping as well. And the music.

I don't see any noise issues what so ever with my shots. I mainly shoot Proress 422 48fps. If you expose properly (as you must with most cameras, just don't overexpose) the colour, detail and DR from this camera punches way above it's price point.

Here is my entry. Best regards!

I’ve been sold now on Blackmagic’s new RAW since updating firmware on my Pocket 4K. It’s Just. So. Good. Smoother to edit than h.264 if I’m honest. I’m not sure how ProRes RAW intends to survive. It has a huge legacy behind it, but banking on that would ignore an industry that is not precious with such notions. Atoms external recording has always been an odd duck in my mind. Either you’re on a shoot that can afford a true cinema camera, or you’re not. Why spend thousands on a monitor to “sort of” turn your hybrid camera into a slightly better version of itself just doesn’t make sense. I also simply refuse to be saddled to a monitor for recording purposes. It essentially gets added to the price of the camera, IMO, and makes upgrading down the road extra painful. With available drive tech, NONE of this faffing about should be at all necessary. Between Blackmagic and Sigma, it looks like there might finally be other companies willing to call these bluffs. Sony and Panny are now so concerned with their 1V1 cat-and-mouse, that they’re CLEARLY pulling punches in case they need them later. If they keep it up, a third party is going to catch them out. Blackmagic has a 4K Raw-To-SSD dual native ISO camera for essentially $1K. The Sigma fp looks like it MIGHT be a similar thing, but fullframe (probably with a price bump to match)... Sony and Panny need to pull their heads out of the sand and let out all the stops, or risk being overtaken by fresh blood. The Nikon could absolutely kill if it recorded Raw internally in some form. Fullframe 4K Raw is obviously well within the technical abilities of a sub-$4K camera body, and I think that’s the looming frustration over all of these cameras. Nobody wants to be first for fear of immediately being one-upped. My money would be on Panasonic’s S1H as most likely contender, but the Sigma might firm up some hefty specs and take everyone by surprise. I was hoping on ZCam, but good gravy those price tags go WAY too high for what they are IMO. Blackmagic SHOULD slap a hefty heatsink into a fullframe “BlackMagic FannypackCinemaCamera4K,” sell it for $2300, and take home everyone’s money... or join L-mount alliance with an olive branch of the BMRAW codec in-camera for all involved. Panny X BMRAW would likely cripple Sony, Nikon, Atmos and ProRes Raw in one fell swoop... leaving only Canon limping along on its dual pixel autofocus. Come on everyone else! If Samsung could match Canon’s AF tech several years ago, y’all can surely do it by 2020.

Why can't canon just do something half decent? I'd kill for an APS-C canon version of a6500 or GH5 etc... Yeah I know why, but still it would be nice.