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Shoot in 30p, but then conform it into 24p. The subtle slow-mo of the image will make it look more cinematic. Canon is just trying to help you become better filmmakers.

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My Linear conversion looks different than yours..?

This thread is a true camera school, my hat to this initiative : ) The most curious is some of my favs here two were shot on GH1, other two on Canon M (I still hold 3x GH1 I refuse to give away and 4x Canon M units : -) Ah and the G6 (proud owner of 4x G7 units) and GF5 as some other favs (I have 2x units and a couple of that 70-210mm as well), too funny to find out : D @heart0less you were the only another fav one outside of that range, kudos to you ; -)

Downvoted for this comment? Tough crowd.

So they are the only brand that don't know how to properly regulate the sensor temperature, as all other brands offers 24p ?

Finally I have received the FW upgrade code from Panasonic. I will shoot some test footages during this weekend and make it downloadable for you so you can compare how does V-log hold up against the BMPCC4K.

Made to eliminate gamut clipping issues in the first place, but also eliminates the brown cast of BMD Film V4 for the BMPCC 4K and 6K (soon), provides a nicer roll-off for skin, red lights, tungsten, blue lights etc, fixes incorrect color and targets IPP2 Soft Rec709 conversion. A BMD FILM V4 to RedWideGamutRGB/RedLog3G10 conversion to work with inside a native IPP2 workflow is included as well. Pocket 6K version coming soon: More information: http://55media.net/55m-p4k-color/

The new Galaxy S10 Note announced and it can do a few effects live on video

Canon's marketing director is a Sony mole.

So what temperature SHOULD Canon cameras be used at? Does it void the warranty if used at other temps? I love Canon tilt shift lenses and the 17 is my all time favourite lens but for me, it works much better on Sony E mount than any Canon DSLR camera I have used and I guess the same will be true for other mirrorless cameras for which smart adapters are available.

It's f... useless... Come on, like you have to export the serial number from your camera and upload it to their servers... It's like harassing...

I can’t wait for @Mattias Burling to tell us how great the camera is. You know it’s all about the image. Forget the specs. The Canon mojo!!

It looks fake, like when you fake dof with masks in after effects. Or when you film in a green screen and replace the background with a blurred one. It looks awful, by I hope apple or Samsung or someone can get this looking nice. If a feature like this gets integrated into the iPhone, and is available to filmic pro, and if it looks good and there isn’t aggressive sharpening and processing, I will literally switch to an iPhone. The dynamic range is already at 12 stops on the XS with filmic pro log v2.

and now for something completely different... Just in case the Helios was too modern and soul-less for you! ???

Time to sell all you photo gear, haha

One of the rumor sites had it at $1399

yes again: any 90D price info yet?

Why, after going with all these mediocre to bad Tiffen, Heliopan, Genus etc... VariND filters I finally found a good one. Tried B+W as well but didn't notice any big difference justifying its price tag nor lack of stronger ND steps.

I use the Music app in Catalina beta, its great.

John Carpenter - The Thing Vangelis - Blade Runner Eurythmics - 1984 And yeah, Ennio Morricone

That's unfortunate, I wonder if a filter could be installed to fix that issue. I am guessing they left that out for greater stills image quality. Hopefully it'll be different on the S1H

Which is why ultimately I'll probably wait until the end of 2020 I think keeping them is the smarter move for now unless you're in a position where you need to "upgrade." Better to see how things play out I think.

Because black magic markets their cameras as cinema cameras. Panasonic falls in with the rest of the DSLR type cameras, which all have superior auto focus.

Right, ExTeleconv doesn't work in video. You can read it in the manual, page 122, the icon "video" is greyed : https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/dscoi/DC-S1/P_PP/DC-S1_DVQP1869ZB_full_web_eng.pdf @Parker is right, you can set a crop mode, but the Ex. tele Conv, as in the GH5/G9 and Sony cameras doesn't work in video. It is really a big downside for me, as it was a strong selling point when I bought it, and I think I read the manual too quickly ? I wanted to use small and lightweight tele lenses, like the Canon 200 f2.8 or Samyang 135f2 (or zooms like the Sigma 100-400) and, by combining crop mode + ext tele conv, almost reach 400mm, with the brilliant IBIS.... I hope for a future firmware update to change that.

Hmm.. I just download everything manually from torrent trackers and Soulseek (rare stuff). Android here.

It does, it's just called "video recording area" or something like that. You can go to an APS-C crop from full frame, as well as an even bigger pixel-to-pixel crop in 1080. Unfortunately, this crop function can't be mapped to a custom button, currently I just have it assigned to the custom menu, so it's a couple extra clicks over a GH5, but not too bad.

Their reason is obvious: they don't want filmmakers using these cameras. I'm not really sure what part of that is hard to understand. I'm sorry but your argument is quite asanine. Just a few posts ago you argued that Canon might have to pay extra license fees for 24p, which is ridiculous, and now you're acting like an expert? The mental gymnastics you're doing right now to argue what is blatantly obvious is insane. Seriously, you wrote all that man to excuse CANON, who has a history of handicapping their cameras! Please, think that last sentence over a bit. All that, like the reason Canon cripples their cameras, goes without saying. No one said otherwise.

To put digital content on your phone which otherwise could've been drag and dropped....?

Hi, congrats to all the participants. The reveal is really entertaining. My story: Based on recent improvement with Magic Lantern I purchased an EOS M to do some experiment a month ago, then the EOSHD challenge appeared (but with the Magic Lantern restriction ?). The EOS M was $150, still $50 left for the lens. The easy choice was a Canon FD, Minolta Rokkor, or the mighty soviet Helios or any vintage lens under $50. But I wanted to try something "different" to stay on the challenge track. A round trip to my treasure chest (my wife has a different name for that box) and I found something quite interesting, an enlarger lens : Beseler-HD 50mm 2.8 - I remember paying something around $30 max. but after checking the invoice and I actually payed $9 + $8 shipping - Then ordered an adapter in Russia - M42x1 to Canon EOS-M for $25. After 2 weeks, I received a snail mail with some nice Russian stamps and the adapter inside the letter. Added a 17-31 helicoid for focusing infinity and voila an unusual bokeh. Cheers.

MacX MediaTrans is the most iTunes like alternative to iTunes and has a couple of extra tricks. Its a paid app but has a free trial. https://www.macxdvd.com/mediatrans/

Yes, SmallRig have only one version of BMMCC SmallRig cage. BTW, all my product images that have 16x9 ratio where shoot in RAW on BMMCC with Mosaic OLPF and processed in Resolve with workflow described sep by step here https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=65149&p=537852#p537852 See also BMMCC/BMMSC Rigs Collection: https://bmmccrigs.tumblr.com I really can't see any reason for myself to move to other camera yet. Some examples that may inspire you:

Turn this: Into this! I entered two terrible quality cameras in the $200 camera challenge and somehow didn't come last, so here's what I learned. In case it's useful to someone Shooting: Low quality cameras have poor codecs and low bitrates, which typically have trouble with a lot of movement. Therefore I used a tripod for every shot instead of hand-holding. This also gives you more options for temporal NR in post too. Go for the 180 shutter by either using an ND or by simply filming in low light. How can you tell if it's 180 shutter? Wave your hand in front of it and see how streaky it is. or alternatively, if your camera is very low resolution and subjects aren't moving too much, then the sheer size of the pixels will completely obscure whatever shutter angle you have! Win!! In post: Edit in your desired output resolution, not the one you shot in.. dodgy 4K image? Output in 8K today! Think about converting to black and white. This gives you 4 times the effective resolution!! Camera only shoots 30p? Excellent - conform to 24p in post and get slow motion for free!! Most NLEs can slow audio slightly too, so if it works for the vibe of your project then go with it. Digital compression is awful and a give-away you're not shooting RAW or film, so is over-sharpening that you can't turn off. Therefore, blur the image in post. You might want to consider blurring only the edges of things, and you should experiment with blur size and blur strength too. I typically find a sharp diagonal line and blur until it looks like a straight line instead of a jaggy digital mess. Use noise reduction, both spatial and temporal. It will make the image blurry, but that's also what you want because of above, so go nuts. The image might look smooth, but we'll add grain later, so don't worry about it. My footage had a bunch of compression artefacts that flickered on and off on each alternate frame and was very distracting (and awful). De-flicker plugins can work wonders. Just play with the types and presets until it's gone. Colour will probably be awful, so either make it black and white (which also gets around the awful coloured fringing) or desaturate heavily. You can also do heavy chroma NR to get rid of colour flickering. Also feel free to use advanced colour controls such as Hue vs Hue to get rid of nasty colours, or use masks to selectively desaturate colours you don't like. Get rid of digital looking clipped highlights by controlling and artificial highlight rolloff via curves. Someone complimented me on the highlight rolloff, which was totally created in post. Use music, pick your shots well, and try and distract from IQ by using content, composition, lighting, and other 'tricks' ??? Can't afford a nice vintage lens or camera has a fixed lens? Add halation by masking only the brightest parts of the image, adding a big blur, then put over the top of the image at a low opacity. Add grain to finish it off. Film has grain and film is awesome, so therefore.... plus, YT kills grain and will put heavy bands on smooth areas so you really should add some. I recommend doing a grain test video with different strengths so you can see what YT does it various amounts of it. It takes more than you think to show up in YT, a LOT more. Here is the curve that gives that highlight rolloff and deep shadows.... Here's another before/after image. and here's my reveal post with the final and SOOC videos: Hopefully that's useful to someone! Feel free to ask questions and I still think I can make a P4K look like a BMMCC or BMPCCv1 so if you have both and can shoot something with both then let me know.....

That's genius!! You can, on this occasion keep a hold of your webcam I do love the fact you have fitted it to a rail mount, I say you build a shoulder rig for this! Extra points for rigging it up haha! Now I loved the image quality on this, for me it looked very filmic, granted its not terribly sharp but much sharper and better looking than I remember from EOS M footage. I guess that is down to a decently sharp lens which works wonders on the Canons. I was half thinking this was shot on a Sony of some kind but the skin tones and colours were just too good Had you said this was an EOS M from the start I wouldn't have believed you, there appears to be no aliasing and moire from what I can see, perhaps YouTube's compression is hiding some of that. Great job! Now for my reveal and I am really surprised to have won the vote for image quality! When I saw some of the entries I was sure I wasn't going to get anywhere near the top. Not that I was aiming to win, this after all was just a bit of fun! Now I will be honest, I nearly didn't enter. I saw the post on the blog and immediately took interest. I thought over it for a few days and done some research on what could be had for the £200 budget. Andrew- as a side note I did manage to find a large sensor, interchangeable lens 4K camera and nearly went down that route! At the time of Andrew announcing the competition it was peak wedding season for me (my full time job as a wedding and events filmmaker) and that had to take priority. When I checked back a few weeks later on the closing date for entries it was literally a week away! I took the plunge and bought something cheap in order to take part, paid for express shipping and bought a lens adapter via Amazon Prime. And here she is in all her glory! £69 body only from MPB photographic in the UK, and probably the ropiest one they had! It was pretty manky, didn't come with a body cap (omg that exposed sensor!! ?) and the SD card door doesn't close properly but I was determined to make this work. The lenses I used were two m42 vintage lenses I had lying around, first up a Pentacon 50mm f1.8 which I actually use in my professional work from time to time - its surprisingly good! For some longer shots I used a Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm f3.5 with the aperture blades stuck wide open - again surprisingly good considering the aperture doesn't function and it has been sitting in a bag without any caps on for years. The eagle eyed amongst you will notice in the above photo there is a Speedbooster attached. This is where I hold my hands up to a little bit of cheating! I bought a Gobe dumb adapter from Amazon as mentioned but knew that for some shots I had in mind the 100mm equivalent FOV I would have would be bit too tight. So for a handful of shots I did run with this - this potentially aided in producing slightly sharper results in some shots. I also used an SLR Magic Variable ND, again not the cheapest of filters! So feel free to disqualify me for this technical infringement! Before shooting my sequence I done a few test shots in the garden the reviewed the footage on the computer. I knew the AVCHD codec would be a potential struggle but didnt realise how bad it was until looking back on these test shots - the footage was already falling apart before my eyes! 17 Mbps is a long way off the solid looking 100+ Mbps i'm used to off my GH5! Not to mention how much moire I saw in the footage! Despite this, I found the 720p mode better with it's Motion JPEG codec so considered using this in my film. I shot with the "Nostalgic" setting with Contrast and Sharpness all the way down. For me this looked to have slightly better dynamic range and better roll off between tones than the "Smooth" setting, although the over all colour wasn't as nice. So, on one of the hottest days of the year I went into my home town and done some people watching. The little GH1 was a fair challenge to use as one might expect with how lucky we are with modern cameras these days. No focus peaking, no zebras, low resolution screen and viewfinder. Despite this, I relied heavily on the histogram to check my highlights, made sure not to film anything with too much motion which would exploit the weaknesses in the codec. I also threw in some 720p shots and upscaled them in the final edit. My biggest mistake was not taking my proper video monopod out to film, instead relying on handheld or a basic photography monopod. It wasn't until I went out for some golden hour footage I took along a proper tripod. Good old Warp Stabiliser came in handy! The edit was a quick couple of hours piecing together the best shots, no real story part from the obvious changing of time and I graded using one of James Miller's DeLUTs as a starting point, tweaking to my own taste. For me this was a refreshing challenge. Normally I opt to do some photography or go a bike ride to escape from my normal work but this was a cheeky day out filming to keep my creativity going at the height of working season. Filmmaking should always be about the fun and not about the expensive gear and with that I think I will arm myself with the little GH1 and see what we can come up with in the future. I will be writing a more in depth blog post on my own website so when that is done I will link that back to here. Finally I just want to say well done to PannySVHS for winning the best cinematography, I love the home video feel about this! Thank you to Andrew for coming up with this challenge and getting this little community together to create. Looking forward to more like this soon! Dan

Whoah...hang on there you two. You are doing forums wrong if you agree to agree. Splitting hairs, clinging on to a semantic rock and repelling all boarders...that is what it is all about. Now, lets get this back on course and start trading petty insults.

Yeah, I was careful not to add the "but you probably wouldn't want to" so that I could retain the technical win

Computational photography, brother... ; -)

The first few generations of tech always look hideous - just wait, it will get better, then it will get great. This is me going on record.

*vomits*

Bite their hand off.

Its not funny. A Canon rep told there is a legitimate reason for no 24p. He said something about the way the sensor is read out. He said that Canon wants it to operate at a perfect temperature. It runs too cold at 24p, but is at an optimum temp at 30p. It was done for the benefit of the camera.

People who need 24p can afford cameras that have it. 24p truly is no match for 60 Hz monitors. I would be happy if 24p would one day be gone from internet, but much more likely that I have 120 Hz monitor before that happens and then it does not matter anymore.

I am curious to know the story behind the Italian one. Did the old dictator have a bit of a stroke or just out of it on drugs?