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The thread is sleeping, so I thought about sharing updates after having used the S1 for a month (and the newly announced firmware updates are a good occasion for that !). So I used the S1 during a 1 month arctic journey across northern Swedish mountains and Norway in last September/October. I only took the S1, for photo and video, and brought with me the 24-105 f4 kit lens and the Sigma 14-24 2.8 dg dn (the new one, designed for mirrorless) which I brought 3 weeks before I left home. I wanted to film (not doing time lapse) the northern lights, but we were not very lucky with the intensity of lady aurora, despite one or two explosions in the sky, and the f2.8 aperture of the sigma was not enough. I will soon sell the Sigma and buy a 20 1.4 Sigma art, and maybe wait for the newly announced pana 16-35 f4... (or a used canon 16-35 f4). I was a bit frustrated with longer reach need, because, when I bought the S1, I thought the ex.tele converter worked the same as on Sony (clear zoom if I remember) and on the GH5 and G9. So I did not bring any tele for this trip (despite still having at home a Canon 200 f2.8 L ii prime at that time), hoping to film with the 24-105 at 105mm in apsc mode + exteleconv. Some days before leaving home, I discovered that it does not work in 4k… So on 1 or 2 occasions, to film wildlife or distant landscape, I used 1080, and pixel/pixel mode. I checked the results at home on my computer, and the results are really really awful eheh ! APSC mode is, on the other hand, really good ; so, in the end, I had a little reach on some occasions. I really love the range of the 24-105, and find it very useful. Fot this kind of trip, it is perfect ; maybe the newly announced (yeah, so much "newly announced" today !) Sigma art 24-70 f2.8 dg dn will be better, I'll keep a close eye on it. The Sigma 14-24 f28 dg dn is a wonderful lens for photos, sharp enough for me in the corner, light etc. But the inability to put a vari nd on it was useless for video. I bought it for nighttime auroras filming, but a 20 1.4 + a wide zoom that takes filters will serve me better. I encountered minor bugs : occasionally, when I pressed the review button to check my images, it said "no valid pictures on card". Had to turn off the camera and I could access again my images. I had 1 or 2 freezes (really less than my fujis that used to freeze very very often) too. Ah, and the camera is slooooooooow to operate. Drives me crazy when in a rush ! All in all, it worked very well, even during snow storms and -10°C temperatures, and was covered with ice and used under rain with no problems. The handling and controls are phenomenal, especially in shitty conditions. So far, I only reviewed my footage on my computer since I came back home, and I barely touched the camera again (little time) but I managed to play with some clips. The Vlog shots are gorgeous... really ! I tried to play with them with filmconvert nitrate and varicam profile (I need to try the """newly announced""" ? S1 profiles), and with the varicam luts supplied by panasonic, and I love everything about it : colors, look... I think i prefer the result I obtain by applying Resolve's color space transform to the vlog clip, and then tweaking it to taste. I am still learning and, thus, is a horrible color corrector, but with minor stuff applied, I obtain a really pleasing result. I also filmed a lot with Cine-d and HLG. The former seems to be very good, and the latter... I still did not figure out how to treat it in Resolve eheh. I wish I had more time to learn the camera prior to departure, because I played with the flat profile last week-end, and I really like it too. One thing I instantly noticed is the iso capabilities : amazing ! I sadly found some missed focus shots while reviewing my clips. More than I wanted... I mainly used MF, but with a lot of "AF first then switch to MF", and maybe the struggling AF in low contrast scene + not always easy to check the focus peaking in bad weather conditions + my poor fillmmaking skills are to blame. On the still side, not a lot of things to say : wonderful high iso performance, very flexible files... everything you want from a modern 24mp sensor. A great machine for my use : landscape, documentary, astro photo... Sorry for the very unprofessional review ahah, hope some of you will find something useful. I attach just for the fun an image I took inside the tent, after a short night (I still have to post process my photos). Don't pay attention to the "clean" appearance of the camera... I was always wiping it, as it was often covered with snow and rain ? I will sell my Sigma 14-24 2.8 and, in the future, I will slowly build a kit with a wide angle prime, lenses like the samyang 135 f2, takumar 50 1.4, and maybe the coming panasonic S lenses... But for now, I will add the smallrig cage for the S1 + a cheap 5.5" monitor, and I think about buying a Panasonic G9 + pana leica 200 f2.8 + tc (unbelievable sales + cashback right now) . It will allow me to "deport" the long reach video and photo use to this setup. @omega1978 sorry, I promised you to take sample images with the sigma 14-24, but I did not find time to do it before leaving. Did you put your hands on it ??

I'm 99% certain Steve Yedlin, without mention the article or the author, is talking about this article when he once again has to whip out his explanation of large format fallacies: http://www.yedlin.net/191106.html Here's his visual explanation: http://yedlin.net/lens_blur.html

That's the common misconception. The phenomenon of the "foreground and background distance" being "compressed" is due to the location of the camera, and nothing else. It just happens that when we use telephoto lenses, we often back up to get everything in frame, and thus the camera position changes. A simple thought experiment: is there any lens/camera combination that would make a total solar eclipse look any different? The answer of course is no, because the relative distances between camera (earth), moon, and sun is fixed. The sun and moon will always appear to be the same size in the sky from our perspective on earth.

I'm actually a bit conflicted about the GH6. I want it to be great so that it lifts the standard of the industry, but I want it to be mediocre so that I'm not tempted to upgrade! Ironically, no new camera has actually tempted me in any serious way, so it would have to be something truly special.

The linearisation table is used by the raw processing software to invert the non-linear pixel values back to linear space. This is why you can have any non-linear curve applied to the raw values (with the purpose of sticking higher dynamic range into limited coding space), and your raw processor still won't get confused and will show the image properly. The actual raw processing happens after this linearisation.

I don’t think any of my posts are clever enough to be misread for intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

You're invited to watch the film (or trailer) my wife and I put together with a GH5 and G85. 95% of the shots were with Voights shooting f.095. It's a look. I also just re-bought a used 5dMII for less than $400. Full Frame and fast lenses for interviews is nice. Point is, if you want to play, play. Things are cheap. Have fun. http://www.flyingfurfilm.com

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https://www.kandaovr.com/qoocam-8k/ This could be it. 8K. 1/1.7-inch sensor 10-bit video. 12-bit stills.

There's no doubt that that combo did a more than decent job in matching up to the 18-35mm and you'll get full mileage out of it if you go full frame as no one ever got fired for buying a 24-70mm f2.8!

Haha! This is a still from the first clip i shot on my F6. Leica Summicron-R 35mm f/2. Will post more when I have it. Bought an S1H too, so i'm looking forward to comparing them.

I tried to get sharpness to match to make them visually more even, one is upscaled and one is native. Easy to spot if you look close but not too bad.

Mic drop. ?

@Geoff_L no problem.i have received the Sigma mc-21 today and have try the Tamron 24-70 G2 that i have on my Sony FS5. The AF is acceptable for foto.So maybe i try the Tamron 15-30 and i can switch the lenses in both system..

Thanks for your field report. I am organizing an Arctic expediton myself in Greenland for next March, so I really appreciate field reports. At the moment the S1H is the first on my list, the S1 the second one. Considering ergonomics, did you use the camera with your gloves on? What about the batteries in the cold?

GH5+ Bolex 16/32/1.5x + Voigtländer 40mm f2 + ProtoDNA. Run and gun. Shot 90% wide open at f2 and 10% at f2.8. Incredible combo Kees!

The S6 and F6 preorders are shipping and in customer hands. Can't wait for the footage COUGH @Zak Forsman COUGH Meanwhile, I just got an E2 and I'm so impressed so far even just by its size and the phone app. Only had it like half a day but here's some footage I shot at 4K60 (180° shutter) in ProRes 422 with ZLog...

Ah, Leica. Part of me wants one very badly. The other part of me says, you don't need it ya muppet. The latter part of me wins and I won't be 'upgrading' my XT3's any time soon.

Thanks so much, others have dived into this earlier and i'm still looking. @rawdigger The 8 bit file is not linear, each DNG has a linearisation table which is the correct thing to do. I wanted to find out whether the 10 bit did the same and it seems that it might not. This means ironically that the 8 bit files in day to day use are probably going to to better quality (make better use of a limited format) than the 10 bit. As we know in linear the very last stop of light uses half the available values and the first 3 stops are represented by just 7 different values... If there is one thing we should do - it is to petition sigma to encode the 10 bit files with a table like the 8. That way we can achieve the same sort of quality as the 12bit files. Of course this is assuming they are not reading the sensor at this point in 10 bit mode which is one of the sensor modes possible. IMHO this is a show stopper for me getting one as a B cam. 12 bit is only 24p and i need 25 at least. I am waiting for clarification from sigma themselves but if others can chime in then maybe we can get them to consider doing this, i can't imagine it is *that* much work. As for downsampling i am guessing they are scaling the RGGB layers before bayering it. I think by doing this they are making up for a lack of OLPF which is why the detail is lower. I am so close to getting one as it's really what i am looking for, a sensor in a box that gives me pretty much what it sees. But there are a few caveats to sort through! cheers Paul

CONT'D on OnePlus 7T I wish some other cameras could have as efficient AF as these devices... LOL ; -) Seems their 720p 480fps curious too -- now go figure a Triptych on all its 2160p slowmo splendor... ; ) Not bad at all for what it is... OnePlus 7T Pro

Here's the link to Global Launch Event's long version where Mi TV is also presented: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjVwcR_GZ2E From minute 5:00 (second 300) on, you'll have an interesting scope on video outcome of this device -- rewind & forward to follow the leftover by this usual UK-based reviewer which means the global version has arrived to Europe:

After all the only difference is not the chipset which is the same middle class Snapdragon 730G (much lower than OnePlus 7T's 855+ as for instance, much more valuable route only to mention 4K60p for similar price*) as well 6GB/128GB vs 8GB/256GB and something they call 7P vs 8P lens system for 108MP mode I have no absolutely science what really is : D https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9936&idPhone2=9945 Other than looks like Chinese have chosen Lisbon for their products launch. * Here's a curious comparison: https://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=5&idPhone1=9936&idPhone2=9816 Xiaomi Mi Note 10 @ 2160p video sample OnePlus 7T @ 2160p video sample

Full Vlog would be a big deal for me. Don't you think being about to shoot a clean 6400 iso and pretty usable 12,800 iso would be pretty cool tho?

Anything outdoors on a sunny day should do the trick...

Thanks for sharing your hands on experience @Geoff_L. Sounds like an amazing trip. The Panasonic G9 + PL 200 f2.8 + TC is an amazing combo for Tele use and even better now that the G9 has been given an amazing buff.

I guess I have to wait for the ProRes RAW update before I can monitor my 6K recording on an external monitor. ☹️

I would say that was my experience too. It became worse as the day went on. Is that the same with CFast and SSD? It happened to me with the firmware 6.1? (the cdng release version from one year ago) with a sandisk extreme 512GB ssd - with sdcards I never had an issue. It seemed to me as if it was calculating something. Amount minutes left to record and clips recorded and it somehow took quite a bit of time. And worst - one could not start recording until then. but with the next camera update (the braw one) it was gone (at least for me )

12-bit is linear. 10-bit is linear. 8-bit is non-linear. No idea why Sigma didn't do 10-bit non linear, seeing as they already do it for 8-bit. Here is how 10-bit non linear can look (made from your 12-bit linear sample with slimraw). In particular, note how darks are indistinguishable from the 12-bit original. 10-bit non linear (made from the 12-bit).DNG

A 2 min documentary profile I did over the summer. GH5,HLG,Sigma 18-35 and graded in resolve with filmconvert.

Ok here are two shots, both CINE mode, one uncropped, one APS-C cropped. aps_crop_A001_005_20191106_000012.DNG non_crop_A001_006_20191106_000001.DNG OK, here you go, 8bit , 10bit, 12bit all from CINE mode and a 14bit still- sorry it wasn't on a tripod so the camera moved slightly still-SDIM0189.DNG 12bit-A001_007_20191106_000006.DNG 10bit-A001_006_20191106_000005.DNG 8bit-A001_005_20191106_000004.DNG We really need that firmware update for shooting to SSD- I exchanged my 500GB T5 for the 1GB version in hopes it might fix the issue, but no, a handful of CDNG clips are still coming in with frames misplaced in the sequence, and I don't have the patience anymore to go through them and try to correct the order.

Thank you Panasonic for listening to your customers feedback. It’s one of the reasons I buy your cameras.

Saw that, unfortunately only have the S1H here which doesn't have a new firmware announcement yet. @Panasonic, if you read this: NR OFF Switch. lol Nick Driftwood is testing the beta version of the S1 firmware at the moment. Nice. That would mean finally proper Cuda support like Resolve. Would love to see some benchmarks and tests.

OK, here is what they're up to. I thought it was weird that the plausible posts didn't have any links in them and initially thought that we had managed to attract the most incompetent spammers on the internet (aside from the Conservative party's latest efforts obviously). What they do is get a second spammer (or themselves) to quote the first post and tag the link for whatever shite it is they're pushing on to the end of the quote. At first it looks like its a legitimate reply but the posts will have positive replies such as "Issue got solved" or "Agreed!" because it entices someone to click the link to find out what the solution was etc. which is what their game is. Here are two recent examples from the "Century Optics" and "50mm" thread. The posts quoted did not have the links in originally. They are obviously wise to the fact that the first posts will get moderated so anything with a dodgy link in will be deleted so thats why they don't put it in that but use the reply system to insert them. I would guess that there are a lot of "clean" accounts set up to do the first post and then they'll just use multiple other accounts to add the links in to replies. This makes it look like the one replying is the spammer when in actual fact they both are. Can I make a request to not ban the one who posts the pieces about chains though as I find it offers a good perspective for when my own life is at its most tedious and dull to think "yeah but at least I don't have to write about chains. Or worse still, be so far down the spamming ladder that I get given that as source material in bot farm when all my other bot mates are out there preaching about penis enlargement"

it would be interesting to throw an ir filter on it and see if you could get some inferred photos. It should work. they have heightened the red sensitivity and increased the inferred pass filter, which is why the dude alludes to the colours being different and not really for normal photos. Canon did do a 60 Da that was astronomy based, was considering looking for one but now they have bought out this, I'm tempted really tempted, wouldn't even bother me if the video is complete mush the inbuilt timelapse and raw is all i need, its odd so many video modes are listed seeing as this is supposed to be astronomy related unless you put a lowpass filter on the front but even then the colours may still be a bit off. two photos from my old nikon 950 that i removed the ir lowpass filter. Sadly the only piece of glass i had is the wrong thickness glass and it only focuses on flowers at the moment, i really need to fix that.

firmware announced, but oddly no mention for S1H. Update notes do mention a fix for blue clipping in vlog and a fix for afterimage, which I believe is the ghosting issue seen by some. https://m.dpreview.com/news/0778308148/panasonic-adds-features-with-firmware-for-gh5-gh5s-g9-s1-and-s1r-with-particular-boost-for-g9-video

My first video xt3 (2 месяца работы на macmini 2012) Memories of Summer / Fujifilm X-T3 / F-Log / 4K https://youtu.be/UYnWrBtJ6O0

Last summer film, favourite of our family. X-T3 with Bolex Moller 16/32/1.5x.

for the Bolex collection. Family at home favourite.

Bolex 16/32/1.5x and Fuji X-T3. Taking lens Contax G 45/2 rehoused to Leica M. Used Ninja V for recording

This, may, or may not, could be interesting for an all arounder. Definitely slower in the 23-50 range, but it is longer and has some macro capabilities. Sigma 17-70mm F/2.8-4 DC OS HSM Macro Also, with the Dec Regain, a 18-135mm USM could be a handy 13.5-100mm.

Can anyone imagine Steve Jobs quitting Apple just because people thought he was an asshole? A visionary is driven by the passion of invention, not by having his ego stroked. Pathetic.