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The biggest surprise for me with this camera is the outstanding color reproduction. Skin tones are spot on. This matches up much better with my Red Dragon than the BMPCC4k. Would love to see some kind of 12 bit raw implemented. 5.8K - 4000 ISO - 24p frame grab:

Because BRAW is technically not RAW, but 12bit YUV with a log gamma curve.

Thats a damn shame, I was rooting for Apple. They are happy as it wont devalue their expensive purchases.

It’s odd - I get fanboy will be fanboys - but why is everyone on Facebook and reduser saying this is such great news? I mean even if you own a red, why wouldn’t you want to see compressed RAW in other products? Competition is a good thing and it gives consumers more choice. It’s like me celebrating that my S1H won a case that will allow them to be the only camera that can record to an SD card. Why would I celebrate that?

I am glad I went with Braw in the end. It seems like the best and most supported "independent" compressed raw format right now. This is a great opportunity for BlackMagic to gain more market share on raw formats.

Retired

Well I received it 2 days ago (3 days before the estimate) ? Years ago my main casual camera was the Panasonic GX7 + Olympus 17mm f1.8. This camera actually achieves everything that I wanted in an upgrade to it. Maintains the same body size but has a better grip. Better sensor. Better colour out of camera. An even smaller 35mm equivalent lens. And has video stabilisation, I've been comparing the Canon to my Fuji XT30 ? Something that surprised me is that there's actually a setting called "Highlight Tone Priority" that's not too dissimilar to Fuji's DR setting. Disabled: Enabled: And so the result is that you can actually get quite similar dynamic range to the Fuji with Eterna on DR400. Fuji: Canon: Fuji: Canon: One thing that disappoints me is that bokeh of the 22mm is noticeably smaller than the Fuji's 23mm. Fuji 23mm f1.4 @ f2.2: Canon 22mm @ f2: Another thing I noticed is that Canon's whitebalance usually does a better job than Fuji. Prior to the X-T30 I've also owned the X-t2, which also struggled with finding the right WB.

I'm happy to go with the sigma fp And compress later on the computer with slimraw. In a way it a good thing compressed raw is not coming so we have even beter quality with uncompressed. The only thing I wish for was lossless compressed raw, and I don't think thats covered by the red patent. I think the patent was about lossy compressed only.

Big bummer. The RED patent also poses a threat to MagicLantern as MLV is compressed RAW video.

The worst news. Very surprised it stood up.

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Jarred Land posted today on REDUser about REDCODE (RED’s compressed RAW codec) withstaning the patent challenge by Apple. Although the court documents haven’t been updated in public from what I can see, it does appears Cupertino have failed where Sony previously failed. Now the stage is set for some negotiations, with RED being in pole position. Read the full article

you guys aren't using adblock, ublock and ghostly? you're really brave

I'm going to go for a new slant on the genre and start JohnsonRumours, where I post reports of statements that the Prime Minister has made that might actually be true. I'll grant you the US franchise so you can do the same with TrumpRumors.

omg ??? kayleerumors (my future clickbait goldmine) is gonna do ALLLLL that stuff heck, im just gonna back engineer rumors based on trends and what ppl want pure fiction!! ima writer ?

My surprise was more to do with the fact that it’s NOT heavily graded. I honestly only used VLog to Rec709, curves adjustment, and sharpened her eyes with face tracker. No hue or color temp adjustments at all. To your point about accurate vs stylized color, i completely agree. Neither one is “better”. Just depends on what you’re doing. 9 times out of 10 im using my RED for commercial or beauty - where accurate color matters. I haven’t been as successful matching the bmpcc in those catagories. However i absolutely love using it on narrative or stylized shoots. Just shot a horror short with the bmpcc6k and it was wonderful.

12 bit log is RAW enough for me. I thought I needed CNG RAW so I got the USRA mini pro v1 and it turned out I did a session with both CNG and BRAW the difference did not make a difference for the project. Really, this decision is a win for Blackmagic who is already marginalizing RED. That said: RED thanks for the cinema camera revolution! Those were good days when RED was the good guy, on the side of the little guy and I went to bed at night dreaming of 3k for $3k. I miss rooting for RED. Now I’m rooting for Blackmagic. I feel like my future success depends on Blackmagic’s future success, which is just silly, but that’s how my mind sees it. I like believing that there are companies who gets what I need and are trying to deliver it. At this point, as far as I can tell, Blackmagic is the company who Is trying to best meet my needs as a wannabe filmmaker. There I said it: Blackmagic is for all us upstart-no budget-wannabe-filmmakers and I am very thankful!

Autumn in my neighbourhood, XT3 with Bolex Moller 16/32/1,5x.

His powers of prediction failed him here though: I counted 34 adverts on that single page by the way, all with who-knows how many tracking cookies. 43rumours is like if I collected up all the Vietnamese spambot content and promoted it to occupy 8 tenths of the EOSHD home page.

Joema, thank you. This is the problem, instead of the claims covering a specific implementation, they can cover everybody else's obvious workmanship. If it was up to me, there would be jail for certain overreach in patents for everybody, and compensation. It's ugly. I'm really sick of the patent system producing outcomes that restrict competition. Now, let's look at it, they use obvious terms like resolution and frame rate to define their patent, because it's obvious it is based on prior art as far as compressing Bayer images, so it is obvious that it is obvious. The judges should have let them through on that grounds alone, and I do hope they try again. The use of resolution etc to make out its new is rediculous. It's like patenting walking above 2 kilometres an hour. If being able to walk just a bit faster was nonobviouse to the human race, we shouldn't have a patent system to patent it in the first place, we wouldn't be able to figure patenting out. You could try that argument on having prior art as non patentable, and one "obvious" pixel increase in resolution more as suddenly patentable, which if you put in percentage terms, is less than 20, 000th of a percent on top of the natural obvious progressing of increasing resolution. Strike that part. This is the issue with the system, once in there, people can claim something, even if that is not strictly what was meant to be claimable by the examiner, and examination has been rubber stamped, and sort it out latter. If Apple can't get to the point of getting it looked at, then what is the use of doing it that way. But people have taken out what were obvious patents before and stalked business, even big business, who can't afford to overturn it. There is even a way of adding things to a patent then use that to extend the whole patent. That is evil. This thing of resisting thorough review of a patent should be allow a preliminary review, in a new way not tried before, then verify and approve a deeper review. If there is question of wherever the proposed review us on a new way or not, or should be refine, then it goes before the panel. Once a preliminary review is successful, the deeper review, and preliminary, should be financed by the Patent office, as their mistake. Now, let somebody figuratively go and patent walking above the speed of 1km an hour relatively straight upright posture, and demand cameras be put in everybody's houses to clock if they are walking more than 1km an hour after they get up in the morning... So, that means you can record raw wirelessly then? Well, not really if they keep the size below their 'specs' in the patent. So, they might possibly divide the image up into two of more separately recorded side by side images. Which is how CCD's were reading higher resolution images to get around transfer issues producing heard, or how initial Sharp 4k monitors were reading images as four 2k images. Red may force the issue, but somebody like Apple could protect it.

I like it when rumour sites give a rating to the veracity of their own rumours. Its pretty much the equivalent to people ranking their own farts. My new favourite is when they are self important enough to announce the countdown to the unveiling of a new rumour. "I'm going to announce something that is highly likely to be untrue but by ramping up your anticipation and making you wait for the announcement this gives it some degree of importance so you are far more likely to believe it to be true". Which reminds me, when is the Tory manifesto being released ?

I'm no law expert but it sounds like this is basically asking Apple to try again.

"...The storage device can be connected to the housing with a flexible cable, thus allowing the storage device to be moved somewhat independently from the housing..." AKA the original RED ONE drives.

I have been shooting with the XT30 for 2 months and haven't had these issues except when shooting at high shutter speeds. Please do upload some videos on youtube so we can see it for ourselves Today I'm going to be shooting a side by side comparison between the XT30 and Canon M6 II to see if the motion differs.

And by they way. if recording to an external ssd via usb-c it is technically not recording internally right? so any camera manufacturer can implement compressed raw over usb-c

That's for N-Log, he asked for Z-Log cinema, which is one of Andrew's profiles for Nikon cameras.

I’m unclear on how this doesn’t encompass BlackMagic’s BMRAW.... glad that it (apparently) doesn’t? But yeah. BMRAW REALLY needs to start permeating/spreading, or we’re screwed. There has to be viable competition, or the tech will remain artificially out of reach. All things considered, IMO RED has some borderline douchey business practices/models across the board. I don’t doubt the validity of their innovation in this instance, nor the right for them to do business as they see fit (or for people to buy into the hype), but it’s 110% not for me. I’ve worked RED footage in post, and believe me, the reason they’ve defended this tech tooth and nail is that it’s the only thing they have going. Any pro body sensor from the last 5 years would match or even obliterate what I saw out of the RED in terms of noise, sensitivity, dynamic range and color fidelity. That’s not to say the RED was bad... it was good footage, especially in compressed RAW. But ARRI still whoops their (and everyone else’s) butt up and down the street, even in ProRes. I really hope Kinefinity is joined in making RED-adjacent cameras, because there is an ergonomic sensibility to the brick/brain design. Even ARRI has been pushed into making the “mini” variants for this reason. I’d love to se a Panny EVA-2 with the S1H sensor, in a brick body, with BMRAW licensed under the hood.

I don't know whether it is a sign of IP Institutions and Courts being fallible or corrupt in the United States. Sad, either ways. They're no better than China or even a banana republic.

Thanks, @kye! Appreciate it ?

That is a requirement in Android purely for the initial bonding of a new Bluetooth Low Energy device. Once the camera has been bonded for the first time then it can be switched off and used without. Some more information about it in these two threads and you can download the user guide from our site at www.cdatek.com to see the if the features are what you need before you waste your money on it. As I say though, for what you are doing with it then if you don't need any of its extra stuff then there are plenty of other apps available that will do the job for you. You can't. Although you can change the display to be 1/nth shutter speeds instead of angles, it is still relative to the frame rate so as the minimum off speed the camera can be set to is 5fps this results in a minimum shutter speed of 1/5th of a second.

is this a troll

GH5+ Bolex 16/32/1.5x + Voigtländer 40mm f2 + ProtoDNA. Run and gun. Shot 90% wide open at f2 and 10% at f2.8. Incredible combo Kees!

I don’t think any of my posts are clever enough to be misread for intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

Hey guys I've ordered this camera and it should be with me next week :) I also have the X-T30 so I could do some comparison shots before I sell it on if any of you are interested. Reasons for switching are very specific to my needs as a hobbyist. Paired with the 22mm lens it becomes one of the smallest 35mm equivalent cameras. I can take it anywhere in my jacket pocket. Video features: object tracking (Fuji can only track faces), digital stabilization. From DPreview's charts, the 1080p looks excellent. Decent at 120fps too. I'm not a big 4k guy. Canon colours are about as good as Fuji. Ergonomics: Much better grip (I have an add-on grip for the Fuji but it adds weight and still doesnt feel great). Built in tiltable flash. Flip up screen (not that id use it much). Can adapt the Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 with native AF support. One thing I really hope Canon makes is something like Sony's new 16-55mm f2.8. Its small, light and stabilised.

With NX1 last summer in Austria;

Hope somebody will come back to bring this camera to the next level. Maybe we can entice someone with some crowd funding.... count me in if we have a person or group willing to do so.

The patent covers any form of compressed RAW video recording, whether internal or external. This is why Atomos signed a licensing agreement with RED for its external recorders that record ProRes RAW: https://www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-and-red-are-pleased-to-announce-a-royalty-based-licence-agreement Btw., the patents are linked on RED's website and publicly readable: https://www.red.com/legal/patent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Patents_Company#Creation Ironically, that's how Hollywood was born... Where Indie spirit rose up! : P Useless battle at a certain point or degree, sooner or later, to just one side IMHO (gang, don't be party poopers! LOL : -)

It's literally in the first post, why would i need to repeat ? Why not telling me which camera is the best under 1500$ right off the bat ? I know a lot of people like the A6000 and X-T30 and probably some of their users reading this thread are unhappy i don't like their camera. If you think they make great footage with great motion cadence and i'm wrong, fine, i really don't care. I did some tests lowering the shutter speed and while i didn't record them to really precisely compare to 1/50, what i've seen in the live view looked very similar. Again, i think the lower 1080p resolution + the mushy look of the Canon + the bigger darker blurrier 18-55 lens probably helps hide some of the motion artefacts. This is probably what separates DSLR from expensive dedicated 4K video cameras... They don't have to translate a say 24MP sensor to 3840x2160 in realtime with a modest processor, and their software is more optimized.

Except it still has the same unnatural high shutter speed look at 1/50, with rolling shutter making things worse, and you get banding under some led lights which never occurred with the canon. Some users have actual EXPERIENCE with said cameras while some just endlessly read reviews and forums, just follow the hype and think they help. Yes it’s a great camera for you tubers, for a video look, but not for those aiming an analog film look. Show me your « filmic » footage with analog like 24p motion shot on the xt30 and A6000 if you want to prove me wrong .