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Here's a little video that I put together for those green chair shots.

Yep. Or Ferrari had the genius idea to add two more cylinders to a 6 cylinder engine and was granted a patent for “internal combustion engine with no less than 8 cylinders and a speed of at least 80kph” No other car could now go as fast as 80kph unless they had an engine with less than 8 cylinders. Its madness

12 bit log is RAW enough for me. I thought I needed CNG RAW so I got the USRA mini pro v1 and it turned out I did a session with both CNG and BRAW the difference did not make a difference for the project. Really, this decision is a win for Blackmagic who is already marginalizing RED. That said: RED thanks for the cinema camera revolution! Those were good days when RED was the good guy, on the side of the little guy and I went to bed at night dreaming of 3k for $3k. I miss rooting for RED. Now I’m rooting for Blackmagic. I feel like my future success depends on Blackmagic’s future success, which is just silly, but that’s how my mind sees it. I like believing that there are companies who gets what I need and are trying to deliver it. At this point, as far as I can tell, Blackmagic is the company who Is trying to best meet my needs as a wannabe filmmaker. There I said it: Blackmagic is for all us upstart-no budget-wannabe-filmmakers and I am very thankful!

300+ consecutive posts. ALL Are In the for sale section only. No connection anywhere else. All he does is spam eBay links, ruining the for sale section. Please ban.

I'm going to go for a new slant on the genre and start JohnsonRumours, where I post reports of statements that the Prime Minister has made that might actually be true. I'll grant you the US franchise so you can do the same with TrumpRumors.

I like it when rumour sites give a rating to the veracity of their own rumours. Its pretty much the equivalent to people ranking their own farts. My new favourite is when they are self important enough to announce the countdown to the unveiling of a new rumour. "I'm going to announce something that is highly likely to be untrue but by ramping up your anticipation and making you wait for the announcement this gives it some degree of importance so you are far more likely to believe it to be true". Which reminds me, when is the Tory manifesto being released ?

Of course! Sounds ridiculous right? Just swap “car” with “camera” and “engine cylinders” with “resolution” and “speed” with “frames per second” and you have essential what the RED patent is. Bayer sensors existed before RED Bayer data existed before RED. The jpeg2000 Compression existed before RED. Hence adding “two more cylinders” is the same as RED adding “Bayer compression” to existing technology and then essentially getting a patent for “cars with certain sized engine going faster than X speed (a camera recording at 4K Bayer resolution at least 23 fps). All that shit existed before except the jpeg2000 compression to Bayer data. I have no problem with that part. Putting OBVIOUS things like FPS and resolution gives RED a blanket patent on compressed BAYER data 4K and up at 23 FPS and up. Which is absolutely ridiculous. If the patent instead said 4K and up at least 23FPS using X unique algorithm implementation then that’s fine. REDs patent is a blanket patent on ANY implementation. What if I have a better algorithm that improves on jpeg2000. Nope, RED by defaults owns that space from 4K to infinity and 23 FPS to infinity. It’s complete bullshit. Ans what about stills cameras? That have been shooting compressed RAW for years before RED was even a twinkle in Jim’s eye? Suddenly they can’t shoot more than 23 FPS because they will be infringing on REDs patent NOT because they are using the same compression technology as RED but simply because they hit a arbitrary number that RED claims an patent over. It’s moronic.

So a couple years ago I posted a couple of videos I shot with the Canon TV-16 25mm 1.4 c-mount lens and the BMPCC. I loved the lens, but had to sell it (and some other gear) for financial reasons. I didn't want to sell it, but since I had a full set of Fujinon-TV lenses and only one Canon, and there seemed to be few Canon TV-16 lenses on ebay, I ended up selling it. I'm working full time again and more financially stable so I decided to try and track down the Canon TV-16 lenses. I set up an alert with eBay, not expecting anything, but just hoping. As luck would have it, some lenses popped up. The 25mm 1.4, like the one I had before. I looked at the listing and thought "wait a minute, this one has a follow focus gear attached to it like what I had done to mine. Wait, the seller's username is familiar. Holy shit, this IS my old lens." So I made an offer and won He was also selling the 13mm 1.5 for a fair price. And there were a couple 50mm 1.8 lenses available from other sellers. So, I not only put together a set very quickly, I got my old lens back. I shot some BTS (with the BMMCC) for a friend's short film recently, using the lenses. The first two shots are the 50mm, last two are 25mm, everything in between is the 13mm. Mostly shot at f/2.8-4. The 13mm and 50mm flare like crazy, but I like it. These definitely have a ton of character and are probably my favorite vintage c-mount primes now.

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Or Graham Bell family would have a bit of trouble to charge Xiaomi for any new model each two weeks.

Fear not. A patent is only for 20 years. January 26, 2036 everything will be fine.

It's worse, applying jpeg2000 to Bayer is obvious and at video rates rediculously obvious. Plus we discuss using jpeg2000 for Bayer at video rates looking to the higher than 2k resolution era publicly before Red patent or even existence I think, so that in itself would make it unpatentable, as prior public knowledge. Stuff, I'm the one that suggested to them 4k, do I get to patent everything 4k, of course not! They only get to patent one particular type of new Bayer compression algorithm and the unique, new unobvious differences in it. That's how it is suppose to work.

The RED patent is for compressed RAW video with at least 24 FPS.

https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=Is-My-US-Patent-Good-in-Other-Countries Its only for the USA right? So if a company makes a compressed raw video camera and does not sell it in the US it will be fine?

it's like a cheat code. you have a giant diffuser around the room making everything flattering. Especially for the light beam from out side the window like this picture without haze machine it's near impossible to see those

Everything began in Nanjing University 26 years ago as singles day, 10 years ago with 27 stores, 140.000 today, 2.5x the sales on Black Friday and Cyber Monday altogether. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/08/alibaba-singles-day-2019-preview.html https://megabonus.com/en/blog/full-guide-to-11-11-global-shopping-festival-sale/ https://blog.moneysmart.sg/shopping/11-11-sales-singles-day-singapore/

You have to be careful in how you state things, in business, not to sound differently from what you intend. I'm not saying whatever was intended here. People could reinterpret things as they like, even potentially misinterpret and ask about the definition of collusion. You see, it's very difficult in business and you have to be careful in how things are stated. So, has there ever been a challenge to this patent that gets to actual re-examination of the terms and context we are interested in. There is no real victory without that happening on all contexts of relevant objections. Here, the panel criticised the submission for not enough, and Apple had an professor expert in Bayer lined up, I thought I read. Sony settled put of court too, didn't they? This process should also include an examination for likely problems with a whole patent upon submission of objection independent of the submission but before and after it has been examined, a close check to be sure, then all the notes and conclusions be passed onto the examiner if successful.

I've worked on ultra low budget / self funded films / documentaries, which are using haze on basically every single shot they do.

Lengthy review on newshooter - its crazy how much better the S1H looks than the A7 and Nikon camera in the talking head comparison video. Also, not sure I agree with him on the "Sterile" look, pocket 6k seems just as sterile if not more to me. Though, to his credit I have seen lots of footage with the S1H that can look sterile in the wrong hands. https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/11/11/panasonic-lumix-s1h-review/?fbclid=IwAR2RI5AXLl9Hlbqfir20uerkbnS8IdiI9oVd7ctgsP5WGJDJ-O3zMgJqgN0

Hey guys! Diving into anamorphic this next few weeks and I think I have finally settled on what i’m gunna do. Rapido’s Full Package C. I use a BMPCC4K with the .64 speedbooster with my Helios and Mir1b. (100% sure the MIR wont work, but i got it for free so hey!) Full Package C includes: Schneider Super Cinelux 2X Anamorphic Lens FVD-16A FMJ-16 V3 full clamp Step down ring/ Step up ring 1/4-20 foot support Rear Metal Jacket (RMJ) Will all of this work with the new 2.8k mode and get me a clean and sharp 2.4:1 delivery? Just trying to avoid as much vignetting as I can so i don’t have to crop. Thanks everyone!!

you guys aren't using adblock, ublock and ghostly? you're really brave

I'm personally hoping we can get MLV in through the back door. I think it would be great if MLV could see some more widespread use, it is a very versatile format that should be compatible with any camera, open source too, which makes it the best option in my opinion. I am finding ways to convert all the main raw formats to MLV. I'm also writing a library that video editing software can use to support MLV. I downloaded someone's Sigma FP footage on this forum, and it converts to MLV easily. Opened up in MLV App: Also does anyone know where I can download more FP dng samples?

Great point. Thank you bringing the information here. Possible to see a few struggle to find the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Correct, once it has been done for the first time there is absolutely no need to ever switch it on again.

Do you guys really propose to assess a camera's "color science" by referencing one highly stylized and heavily color corrected beauty shot, at a complete remove from the naturalistic norms of modern-day dramatic cinematography? And what's the ideal? Accurate color or stylized color? By tomorrow morning, the forums will be full of people insisting that the S1H is as good as the Red Dragon and the skin tones on the BMPCC 4K are crap. I read it on the internet.....

Well I received it 2 days ago (3 days before the estimate) ? Years ago my main casual camera was the Panasonic GX7 + Olympus 17mm f1.8. This camera actually achieves everything that I wanted in an upgrade to it. Maintains the same body size but has a better grip. Better sensor. Better colour out of camera. An even smaller 35mm equivalent lens. And has video stabilisation, I've been comparing the Canon to my Fuji XT30 ? Something that surprised me is that there's actually a setting called "Highlight Tone Priority" that's not too dissimilar to Fuji's DR setting. Disabled: Enabled: And so the result is that you can actually get quite similar dynamic range to the Fuji with Eterna on DR400. Fuji: Canon: Fuji: Canon: One thing that disappoints me is that bokeh of the 22mm is noticeably smaller than the Fuji's 23mm. Fuji 23mm f1.4 @ f2.2: Canon 22mm @ f2: Another thing I noticed is that Canon's whitebalance usually does a better job than Fuji. Prior to the X-T30 I've also owned the X-t2, which also struggled with finding the right WB.

Joema, thank you. This is the problem, instead of the claims covering a specific implementation, they can cover everybody else's obvious workmanship. If it was up to me, there would be jail for certain overreach in patents for everybody, and compensation. It's ugly. I'm really sick of the patent system producing outcomes that restrict competition. Now, let's look at it, they use obvious terms like resolution and frame rate to define their patent, because it's obvious it is based on prior art as far as compressing Bayer images, so it is obvious that it is obvious. The judges should have let them through on that grounds alone, and I do hope they try again. The use of resolution etc to make out its new is rediculous. It's like patenting walking above 2 kilometres an hour. If being able to walk just a bit faster was nonobviouse to the human race, we shouldn't have a patent system to patent it in the first place, we wouldn't be able to figure patenting out. You could try that argument on having prior art as non patentable, and one "obvious" pixel increase in resolution more as suddenly patentable, which if you put in percentage terms, is less than 20, 000th of a percent on top of the natural obvious progressing of increasing resolution. Strike that part. This is the issue with the system, once in there, people can claim something, even if that is not strictly what was meant to be claimable by the examiner, and examination has been rubber stamped, and sort it out latter. If Apple can't get to the point of getting it looked at, then what is the use of doing it that way. But people have taken out what were obvious patents before and stalked business, even big business, who can't afford to overturn it. There is even a way of adding things to a patent then use that to extend the whole patent. That is evil. This thing of resisting thorough review of a patent should be allow a preliminary review, in a new way not tried before, then verify and approve a deeper review. If there is question of wherever the proposed review us on a new way or not, or should be refine, then it goes before the panel. Once a preliminary review is successful, the deeper review, and preliminary, should be financed by the Patent office, as their mistake. Now, let somebody figuratively go and patent walking above the speed of 1km an hour relatively straight upright posture, and demand cameras be put in everybody's houses to clock if they are walking more than 1km an hour after they get up in the morning... So, that means you can record raw wirelessly then? Well, not really if they keep the size below their 'specs' in the patent. So, they might possibly divide the image up into two of more separately recorded side by side images. Which is how CCD's were reading higher resolution images to get around transfer issues producing heard, or how initial Sharp 4k monitors were reading images as four 2k images. Red may force the issue, but somebody like Apple could protect it.

That seems to be the case. Other issue: despite the hardware-oriented camera/device aspect, it would seem the RED patent is more akin to a software patent. You can patent a highly-specific software algorithmic implementation such as HEVC, but not the broad concept of high efficiency long GOP compression. E.g, the HEVC patent does not preclude Google from developing the functionally-similar AV1 codec. However the RED patent seems to preclude any non-licensed use of the broad, fundamental concept of raw video compression, at least in regard to a camera and recorder. Hypothetically it would cover a future iPhone recording ProRes RAW, even if streaming it for recording via tethered 5G wireless link to a computer. In RF telecommunications there are now "software defined radios" where the entire signal path is implemented in general-purpose software. Similar to that, we are starting to see the term "software-defined camera". It would seem RED would want their patent enforced whether the camera internally used discrete chips or a general-purpose CPU fast enough to execute the entire signal chain and data path. If the RED patent can be interpreted as a software-type patent, this might be affected by recent legal rulings on software patents such as Alice Corp. vs CLS Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Corp._v._CLS_Bank_International

I'm no law expert but it sounds like this is basically asking Apple to try again.

The biggest surprise for me with this camera is the outstanding color reproduction. Skin tones are spot on. This matches up much better with my Red Dragon than the BMPCC4k. Would love to see some kind of 12 bit raw implemented. 5.8K - 4000 ISO - 24p frame grab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Patents_Company#Creation Ironically, that's how Hollywood was born... Where Indie spirit rose up! : P Useless battle at a certain point or degree, sooner or later, to just one side IMHO (gang, don't be party poopers! LOL : -)

I am glad I went with Braw in the end. It seems like the best and most supported "independent" compressed raw format right now. This is a great opportunity for BlackMagic to gain more market share on raw formats.

It’s odd - I get fanboy will be fanboys - but why is everyone on Facebook and reduser saying this is such great news? I mean even if you own a red, why wouldn’t you want to see compressed RAW in other products? Competition is a good thing and it gives consumers more choice. It’s like me celebrating that my S1H won a case that will allow them to be the only camera that can record to an SD card. Why would I celebrate that?

Those are my favorite kind ? That is pretty disappointing for a $4000 camera tho, but hey trade offs to everything I guess.

First legit comparisons start to pop up: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2019/11/06/testing-xiaomis-108-megapixel-camera-against-the-iphone-11-pro-and-samsung-galaxy-fold/#66163ab7676e Here's his analysis from same reviewer:

Ok here are two shots, both CINE mode, one uncropped, one APS-C cropped. aps_crop_A001_005_20191106_000012.DNG non_crop_A001_006_20191106_000001.DNG OK, here you go, 8bit , 10bit, 12bit all from CINE mode and a 14bit still- sorry it wasn't on a tripod so the camera moved slightly still-SDIM0189.DNG 12bit-A001_007_20191106_000006.DNG 10bit-A001_006_20191106_000005.DNG 8bit-A001_005_20191106_000004.DNG We really need that firmware update for shooting to SSD- I exchanged my 500GB T5 for the 1GB version in hopes it might fix the issue, but no, a handful of CDNG clips are still coming in with frames misplaced in the sequence, and I don't have the patience anymore to go through them and try to correct the order.

New S1 fixes, which I imagine will be rolled into the next S1H firmware update... Nick Driftwood : S1 Firmware 1.3 Beta - Ghosting Fix Test Nick Driftwood : S1 Blue Light / Yellow Light Fix Test: Firmware 1.3 Beta

It came early! (Which means I have to wait to be able to mount it to anything ?) But both my Z Cam and MFT to Sony E adapter come tomorrow so I’ll have multiple bodies to try it on soon

Same here! I can't believe it's taken me so long to get one (now two!). Completely revolutionized my entire lens lineup - breathed new life into my most used and even least used lenses. Almost feels like I've doubled my collection.

I think I'm on a "screw buying new lenses I'm spending money on filters and light modifiers" phase. Layering diffusion, colored lighting and practicals, haze, actually caring about incidental bounce enough to use negative fill... aaaand FINALLY got a black pro mist! Should get to use it out for a talking head shoot on Friday, but so far I'm really liking even just boring test shots.

Hrm, it's looking like things are being conveyed as being rather warm-and-cozy between the two parties here... << According to RED’s president, Jarred Land, this was a part of a standard due diligence process performed by the two companies so they can proceed further with development. As stated by RED: “We are pleased to see our REDCODE patents withstand another challenge. RED integration with Apple’s METAL framework for realtime R3D playback is coming along well, and the work that the two teams are doing together is exceeding expectations. We are very excited about the new Mac Pro and the new XDR pro display and the power they bring to the entire RED workflow. To be clear, as I mentioned before, this never really was Apple vs. RED. It has always been APPLE + RED, and this was all part of the process defining how we work together in the future”. >> ...from here... RED REDCODE Patents Withstand Apple’s Petition - Y.M.Cinema - News & Insights on Digital Cinema: https://ymcinema.com/2019/11/10/red-redcode-patents-withstand-apples-petition/ :)

The worst news. Very surprised it stood up.