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I am not a loner cowboy. Last time I checked the film crews I've participated we had created a few dozens I've produced, among other stuff where I try my best. If you'll follow my signature or even my posts, you'll find what you're looking for. I see where you're coming from but you ask without any business card? This is a random triple portion of mine: Where are yours BTW?

bruh he literally has "who am I" followed by an IMDB page in his sig

My beloved Canon 5dmk 3 was stolen in January, and I held on to the insurance money to see what new cameras would come out by the time I started getting regular gigs again (winter in Canada is always slow, and then we had a pandemic). I use a Sony a7iii as my main workhorse, with all Nikon lenses adapted to ef (and then ef-e for Sony) but the Canon was a wonderful B-Cam, or A-Cam when I had the time to use Magic Lantern. Everything Canon has made since the 5d3 has been a huge step backwards (first losing ML in the 5d4 and then the ridiculous 4k crop in that and the R). Now it looks like the R5 is too risky to be used professionally, so I won't be buying it either, and that saddens me as the specs looked beautiful and I know that with a heatsink it could have really performed better than any other camera. But I just can't risk it overheating, especially with those ghastly recovery times. Sony's new camera will still have the severe flaw that has plagued them for ten years now: unchangeable file names. In a multi-cam situation it is incredibly easy to make major mistakes, and that problem is compounded when you add proxies to your workflow. Also, B&H says they won't begin shipping the a7siii until late September, so we're looking at waiting until at least October for that camera anyways. The Panasonic S1H is great (a friend of mine uses it) but would be a huge investment not only in body costs, but also for lenses (L-Mount adapters cost way too much). So given all of that, I recently rented the Nikon z6, and found it to be pretty equal to the Sony a7iii for video, minus a couple cool but unnecessary features (digital zoom, in-body proxies), and absolutely fabulous for photography (see photos below). It's a solid professional, dependable camera that's about half the price of the Panasonic S1H, so I'm going to buy it tomorrow. Using Andrew Reid's Z-Log on the Nikon and his Pro Log on the Sony matched perfectly for video. Maybe in 5 years I'll give Canon's next camera a chance, but no professional can work with a camera that can brick at any moment, and then stay cooked for the rest of the day.

I had a z6 before my actual Panasonic S1. I believe, with the latest firmware update, the af is miles ahead than what it used to be. @Jordan Drake rates video AF very highly, and I came across comparisons with the A7iii, and the z6 is not extremely far from it (at least for my needs, which exclude eyes af, and also compared to my S1). For the codec, same thing, it punches higher than its weight. In fact, I am right now browsing "old" footages I took with it, and play with them in resolve to compare with my S1 10bit. The nikon flat profile, as frequently reported, is very good. Sure, as you point out, it is weak compared to other offerings, but it quite good. To be honest, as I browse my old footages, I find more pleasing images than with my S1. I don't know, despite the very robust specs of the S1, and the image quality, there is something in the Z6 image that I find lacking in the S1 (a bit of "soul" maybe). So yes, if nikon could raise the next Z models to the level of offering of the competition (codec and better AF like you said), it could be a beast. I forgot about the lenses, but the Z line-up is really good, and more interesting for me than the RF and L. Plus, as I shoot with tele, the 300pf and 500pf have no competition... Ps : the battery problem on the S1 drove me crazy, to the point I am gonna get rid of it (plus the overall bulk and the af, that I now need, and I did not back when I bought it), and i am contemplating going back to the Z6 of entering the Sony system.

Cameras overheating is not new. Canon hyping the shit out of the high end video capabilities then delivering a product that it overheats soo rapidly in those hyped high end modes and recovers soo slowly is unprecedented. The criticism of Canon is entirely valid.

Agree. The z6 is nearly this. But the af is totally amateurish, as is the codec. Add to your list 15ms readout. (And 13.5 stops dynamic range in stills minimum)

My bad. I thought they were for the Z-mount.

Exactly, they are just brainwashed by their youtube gods. The latest on is that guy called Undone. I call him the pink guy before all his new found fame. I mean I would never present myself with such colors, when he just not well shave he looks like a drunk with the colors he has graded himself. The guy who tells you not to take into consideration that the Sony overheats.... While it factually does. I am fed up about youtube shooters that are some kind of like of authority now while they never venture outside of their basement studios. I mean I remember all the fuss about Nikon 4k RAW video being less detailed than the 4k (6k down scaled to 4k), so what about charts that show clearly that the A7s3 is much less detailed than the S1H for example?

Of course. I agree with your breakdown of Canon's tempstatus. property. What's being reported is the R5 is not overheating by temperature but being controlled by Canon's cripple hammer software that shuts down the camera based on record times so that they protect their cine line-up.

And work in harsh tropical conditions with very hard light, high temperatures and monsoon rains. Until now zero shutdown or any malfunctions. From all the Nikon bodies this is my most preferred body, at worst I keep it in its cage even for photos As I prefer a little bit larger bodies. Because it serves me so well in photos also even when I worked on Film set as set photographer, shooting between it and d810, I had no problem thinking I was looking in an actual viewfinder.

I agree with you there, it's just a forum and just a camera, I put out my opinions like everyone else but don't believe in the bashing or flaming that some users choose to involve themselves in, it is not constructive nor a desirable character trait.

I understand and fully share your concern. But: I just don't like to see anonymous aliases to amuse themselves to bash Canon. This is not helpful. One thing is fair criticism, the other one is without previous experience with a tool starting to guess about it. If I'd have a crystal ball I'd be billionaire. I am not engineer but I can fairly guess Tilta has high qualified engineers to design their products. They are a trustful provider. If they announce something, I'd delude myself if I would listen naysayers rather than people who help my craft. Moreover, no one is expecting a miraculous solution. This is not all about that. And I see people without the necessary filmmaking experience in certain styles/segments of our craft to negatively/improperly infer this R5/R6 or this or that workaround won't work out. WOW Without ever testing it! This naysayerism is absolutely inaccurate and counterproductive.

Remember how Canon flew people to a tropical island for the EOS R announcement? Imagine the R5 in those conditions! 😂

Erm....yes, that is precisely what it does so there is absolutely no falsehood involved. There is a TempStatus property in the firmware that causes the camera to react in various scaled responses. These are : Normal Warning Indicator Reduced Frame Rate Live View Prohibited Shooting Prohibited Degraded Still Image Quality Restriction Of Video Recording At some point, all of these different responses will be triggered if the temperature begins to increase. The reason the different record times and behaviours are seen by different "testers" is that the temperature of their camera is different so different ones are being triggered at different rates but at some point they will all trigger. This status is externally readable on the camera so Canon could easily provide the simple test tool to these "testers" to create a real structured test instead of the scattergun ad hoc ones that are happening now. I have got no idea why Canon continue to let these unstructured random tests play out in public without doing something official about it. The only reason I can come up with is that the noise generated by these contradictory "findings" is giving them cover while they work away in the background to remedy it. The TempStatus pre-dates the R5/R6 and has been part of the Canon firmware for a long time and is there for a reason for that so none of this is new for them in testing so it begs the question why more seemingly wasn't done to test it in simulated real environments.

Just FYI...according to Gerald Undone you can now change the file names in the A7SIII....of course for images 12MP may not be enough for cropping and recomposing.

Not buying now. Was going to before this. We are on a camera forum. Certainly there is many things to be upset about in the world today. Doesn’t mean I have to ruin other aspects because of it.

The guy in the chinese video review said extended ISO means loss of highlight details (makes sense, and the same with other cameras when you lose DR by using extended ISO). Everything else should be more or less the same, except of course you can use a lower base ISO. The more I see the more I like in terms of features. Chinese video nailed it for the most part, the S1H screen design is better, everything else is decent. The one thing I "feel" when watching all these A7SIII videos is that it does not have the biting sharpness of oversampled sensors, and I'm constantly thinking, what is actually in focus here. A lot of it looks oddly "soft". Most people here will probably enjoy it as it's more "cinematic" (I hate myself for using that word), but I actually like the option to have uber sharp footage. A small price to pay I suppose, but I really enjoy having the option to have that in your face detail. You can always blur footage a bit, but it's you can't get the detail back if it's not there to begin with. I'm surprised the footage from other people is so unflattering, especially when shooting in natural light which is basically "cheating" in terms of lighting. Chinese vid was the first one I thought actually showed you could get decent color from it.

That's an interesting alternative I hadn't considered before for my upgrade: the Olympus E-M1 Mark II? It slots in between as a cheaper alternative to the Panasonic G9, but a bit more expensive than the Panasonic G85

5D Mk3 raw. Yeah, it still looks amazing

I'm with you. Still waiting for that unicorn to appear, for a brief second the R5 was it and I had one that would have been delivered Thursday. Then it literally went down in flames. Given that we really won't see anything significant for another couple of years now that Canon has gone all-in with the R5/6, Nikon is drunk and passed out with the rumored Z6s/7s, all Sony has left is the a7IV which will be hit with the cripple hammer compared to the a7s3, and nobody else is making significant headway - I've accepted the fact that the one camera hybrid solution isn't happening anytime soon. One body will shoot mostly stills, one mostly video, lots of lens changes, and lots of damn sensor swabs since Sony's 3rd/4th gen cams attract dust like no other camera I've used. Holy shit the a73/a7r3's are a dust magnet compared to the a7r2/s2 I carried across six continents! Anyway, needing to go two cameras means I've ordered the a7s3 and I'm now looking to shift my a7r3 to a a7r4 so AF and accessories are mirrored (pun intended) between the two with grips, underwater housings and so on. This will cover me for the next 2-3 years until someone gets it right in the next round of updates. Cheers Chris

Obviously on a technical level it would be trivial for BM to incorporate NDI but I can't see them doing anything that would aid and abet Newtek further establishing it as a standard. I think if BM were going to embrace NDI they would have done it a couple of years ago as part of their Mini Converter range but didn't because the obvious by product of that would be more Tricaster sales for Newtek or software sales for vMix. Its a pity though as a BM version would likely be far cheaper than even the budget one from Birddog. The supposition from the Stream Bridge would be that BM are looking to make their own version of NDI which they will no doubt have to do at some stage anyway as those big multi point routers they sell will eventually have to give way to IP based ones.

That's the problem.. I haven't found it. Fullframe DCI 4K HQ, no time limits. Strong editable codec. Upto 60p frame rate. Great AF, IBIS and colour. Can shoot quality photos no less than 20MP. If you have better luck finding one than me, let me know.

I would get a zoom to compliment your primes and have a zoom option. If you can deal with the variable aperture the Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 is actually a better lens.

Thanks Chris - the CZ looks great but it's a little pricey if I can find a cheaper alternative that has sufficient performance. I'm kind of in that grey-area where I want the best images I can get but considering they're only for the family it's tough to work out where the budget limits sit! I don't mind the one-touch-zoom (or "pump action zoom" as I like to call them) as I typically don't change focal length during a shot. The 70-210 is a bit of a PITA in that it's not parfocal so when you do zoom you have to remember which way the focus went so you can quickly re-acquire it. On the occasions I do change zoom and focus simultaneously they sure come in handy though. Conversely, the focus controls are paramount as I am almost always adjusting focus during shots. The best shots are where the subject is broadly facing the camera (within perhaps a 90-degree range, so 45 to one side or 45 to the other) and you also want some action, so that means they will be moving, and hopefully moving quickly. All that adds up to them moving towards you, requiring the operator to engage MF-C 🙂 Wow that lens is long.... Whatever attention I am not attracting now, I sure as hell would with that thing! I have been experimenting with setting it to 420mm or slightly shorter as a compromise and just letting it run. I don't zoom out that much, but even if I do, I'm filming at 120p, and a 3s shot in the edit (or even a 4 or 5s shot) is less than 1s in real-time, so any movement over that period will just look like normal camera movement rather than the IBIS wobbling about, considering it doesn't wobble that fast when it does. I typically shoot for gesture rather than to follow the game or even the individual play, so I'm not against slowing the footage down by 2x in post either, so that would make it a 10x slow motion, where camera movement looks like a graceful ballet even though it's jerky as hell when watched real-time. I only shoot in daylight, and do need to zoom out on the odd occasion, so am willing to sacrifice a little bit of performance for that ability. Plus manually focusing at F4 is just making my life difficult for no reason, as at F8 or even F11 there is a very similar amount of background separation. If I'm on the long end, which I typically am most of the time, then the subjects are far far away, so I'm not getting much separation anyway, but that's fine for what I do. I do get that individual copies will be quite varied by this point. I've previously bought straight from Japan on ebay and gotten lenses in excellent condition or where there were flaws they were always stated explicitly in the lens listing. I also figure with an L lens it might have been looked after even better than a non-L, so I think I'm leaning towards the 100-300 L or the 80-200 L. I hadn't seen the 80-200 L as it's not listed in http://allphotolenses.com database but other mentions of it online are also highly favourable. I'll have to do more reading on it. In terms of dumb adapters, there's no way that I'm trusting my GH5 auto-focus on rapidly moving subjects with an old EF lens through an adapter lol. Seriously though, often the action has a bunch of kids all going for the ball and I want to keep focus on my son, which no AF is going to be able to do, especially when people are going everywhere and blocking line of sight much of the time. It's quite common for me to lose track of where my son is and to have to make blind decisions about where I keep the framing and for the play to stop and for everyone to gradually disperse and for my son to be last to stand up and to have been at the bottom of the pile-on that whole time. AF can be as dual-pixel as it likes, but unless it knows the rules of the sport and the psychology of my son, I'm better off doing it myself. Hahaha.. It's only fair - I've spent enough of other people's money over the years!

It wouldn't let me edit my last post, but I wanted to add that the Olympus situation has made me reevaluate M43 a bit. I think it can survive, but Panasonic can't keep denying things like PDAF when that's what the majority of customers want. While it isn't that important to me, the growth/sustainability of the system is because I'm heavily invested in it. I want to know that it will be around and competitive in 5 years, and a big part of that is meeting the expectations of the customers.

I know. I was being petty.

The lenses in the link from @Super8 link refer to Nikon DSLR lenses and not Z-mount.

Nikon never really upgraded items through firmware either. They already paid one for Pro Res RAW. It kinda defeats the purpose of getting the Pro Res RAW license. The market in 2020 is dictating 4K60P. Nikon didn't follow the market with 4K 10bit external. I don't follow your logic about Nikon's decision making process. 2018 said they were thinking differently.

I shoot with Canon, Fuji and Sony - I really don't care about the brand, just what gets the job done and what I enjoy shooting with. Colors are fine on all of them and they all need small tweaks to get the look I want. IQ is great with everything I shoot, it literally won't be any better by shooting with a Nikon, I'll just have fewer lenses to choose from. Colors are fine with the a7s3 as well. Your passive aggressive tone made me laugh. Cheers Chris In the Z6? Not if they're reusing the current sensor. Not even close.

Well, one of the reason I like z-mount is that theoretically it's the only mount you could adapt any lens to. I mean it's the shortest flange distance of 16mm, and the widest diameter (55mm). Techart already has a sony e to z adapter that works. And Even Canon RF and Panasonic L mount could be adapted.

LOL! That made me laugh. Chris

I have used the Z6, before the big update, it was ok but nothing that would make me want to drop the a73 or a7r3 and buy into the Z-mount. And that's Nikon's problem, they're solid cameras, but solid isn't going to move the needle and get many people to buy into the system. They're losing market share fast and it doesn't look like they can slow the slide. Like Canon their initial offerings were underwhelming, and got significantly better with updates. But Canon pulled out all the stops with the R5/6 and generated a lot of excitement, Nikon not so much. Seems like they're still trying to not step on their DSLR's with their mirrorless lineup and they're not accelerating new model cycles when everyone else is. They're getting left behind. The raw video update was a complete blunder and didn't help their cause at all. If it was going to be a couple hundred dollars and require you to ship them the camera, they should have been up front about it instead of teasing it for a year and a half then dropping the bomb. The mount also is closed so 3rd party support will be extremely limited, if the lens options work for you then fine, but compared to the E-mount its never going to be as comprehensive. They're also using Sony's sensors, there's really no reason for me to move to the Z-mount and give up a vastly superior selection of lenses with the E-mount for identical IQ. I do think its a great body in hand, Nikon absolutely nailed the ergos. The drunk comment was because of their lukewarm updates to the Z6/7, again if it works for you fine. There really aren't any bad cameras today, all the current FF cameras produce a great image. That's why I laugh when people call one "more cinematic" than another when anything looking cinematic is all down to lighting, exposure and the grade. Everything looks like shit when you shoot under the mid-day sun and burn the skin highlights, its not the camera's fault. But I digress. Nikon is in the same boat as the L-mount, there's just not a compelling reason for a large part of the community to make the switch and buy into the system when you look at the competition. They were too late to the game. If one of those cameras offers something specific that suits your needs better, by all means get it and make magic. I'm not giving Sony a free pass, but I'm still buying the camera and will work around its flaws, just like every other camera I've owned. Cheers Chris

Is that your footage? Good work if so. My prediction for Nikon is 4K60p 10bit internal. 120p external and full sensor readout RAW external. They already have great AF in photo's and video. They already have great color science and great glass.

This photographer normally uses a 5D and 1D for his motocross events and was able to use an R5 under similar conditions yesterday. So it is possible to overheat the R5 taking only photos. https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/gerald-undone-completes-exhaustive-record-time-testing-on-the-canon-eos-r5-and-canon-eos-r6.38979/page-4#post-851397 "I got to use an r5 today out at a Motocross event and well it turned off from only doing photos. This was using the ef to rf adapter and a 200mm f2. This was used for over a time period of 2.5-3 hrs and it was 86 degrees out. I’m glad that I didn’t buy it and needless to say my friend who did is pretty disappointed. I love 1d bodies" "Yup. Only stills. I think we use two or three batteries.Full disclosure I leaned on the shutter a lot I fired off a few thousand rounds and which by the way I must say that tracking is pretty incredible. Auto shut off was at 1 min. Yes I know it was warm out but doing photos then looking at them and doing photos and looking at them you wouldn’t think that a camera would get so warm that it would shut off from stills." "I had just got done shooting a burst and looked at the photos that were captured and the red thermometer was flashing and I proceeded to shoot more then the camera stopped. It took somewhere between 10-15 min to start working again. After this tho I quit using it"

I think the Tilta thing is a joke, the R5 is so weather sealed it will be like wearing a space suit and strapping a fan to the outside of your space helmet. Without thermal paste and cooling fins, all that will do is blow hot ambient air onto the outside of a weather sealed body; lets not forget women (and men) with long hair....good luck bringing something like that close to your face or trying to show a client the back of your camera with that thing spinning. BTW, where is the power for that coming from? How loud will it be when recording audio? I don't understand the adapter either....so you will basically be pulling dust directly from outside of the camera and blowing it directly on the sensor, that sounds like a horrible idea. The S1H seems to be the only camera that truly gets the cooling situation and even it didn't try to do 8K, 4K120, or full sensor readout 4K60.

I agree...not to mention the thing no one is talking about.....how much will overheating that much shorten the overall life of the camera? I feel like these bodies will start dropping like flies about 2 months after the warranty runs out if the owner has been using much video.

It could be the firmware causing the issue. If the firmware reading the internal temp is faulty or buggy then it would yield similar results...similar to battery meters that never seem accurate. After seeing the R5 circuit board I think there is no way to actually fix this problem until the R5 Mark 2, but I do think it was the firmware preventing the camera from working properly 5hrs later.

Exactly

Already posted a few pages back. If they won't address it, they're shooting their own feet. It doesn't make ANY sense. It is even plain ridiculous. And it is not noble for the brand. They could have fixed, they candidly didn't want it. It doesn't matter how loyal we are to or dislike Canon, it is simply true.

Here's Canon's problem. They didn't meet their own hype. They missed it by a mile. In fact, I'd go as far as saying their launch advertising is downright misleading. Deliberately so because they obviously knew the limitations - they designed them. This doesn't appear to be an issue for you. Classic canboyism. You're giving Canon a complete free pass. You're inferring it's not the camera company's responsibility to deliver what they actually promise. Classic canboyism.

You are 100% correct. The Z6 is much better than what's portrayed on YouTube. People on the EOS don't know what they're missing. It's all marketing. This is what I hate about Sony marketing. It's to the point that it's false and hyped up. It's great for the Sony side but it takes down a company like Nikon. That's the dishonest part. Have people lie about the Z6 camera so it has a poor reputation. Nikon pushed the limits of video quality that we expected, no reason they won't do it again.

I may have overlooked it, but I haven't seen a message that the Canon EOS R5 gets very hot on the outside too. Armando Ferreira says in his video 'The Canon EOS R5 IS NOT AN 8K CAMERA!': When the camera (R5) says it is overheated, I touch the camera, it is pretty much cool to the touch! Does this not indicate badly calibrated heat sensors or an incorrect reading by the firmware? Or a combination of both?

Amateurish af on z6? I don’t know why this myth continues. AF in video mode is actually excellent. And native s lenses don’t breath (almost). Strangely, Nikon somewhat showed they really cared and understood the needs of video shooters, and then sort of left things in the middle of the road. Lenses need linear focus mode as an option (was mentioned they were to get it, but when?), z6 was the first with prores raw, but the wait was too long, processor appeared to be too weak (they had to compromise it a bit with pixel binning, although the quality is still great), internal rec was just 8bit. Could they fix all this with z6s? Somehow they don’t know how to market their products. Z6 is a much better product than is presented on youtube, etc.

Nikon is hardly drunk and passed out. They produced a better camera than anything Sony has released so far (the A7S3 is not out yet). This tells you how far Sony brainwash has seeped into the cine world. You can't argue AF / No AF or BM IR pollution / color science and then give Sony a free pass on everything above. People talk about Nikon full sensor read out Pro Res RAW external and get caught up in line skip binning / recording to Atomos or whatever but then Sony gets a pass on external RAW. We talk about image quality, color science and Sony gets a pass. You can't always fix Sony color, in fact you can't fix Sony color. Sony does not produce a NR FREE, sharpened FREE cinematic moving image. Sony does great PR and marketing and this is evident in the You Tube producers that we dismiss but now look to for reassurance that the Sony A7S3 is better than the Canon R5 because it records longer before over heating. Everyone has forgot the R5 does 8K RAW internally. At the end of the day the best produced image wins.

The 18-105 f4 is a boring lens, kind of cheaply built. But its very versatile. Great all around lens, though obviously not the fastest. Great for running and gunning as its very light. The 18-35 1.8 is the best of all time. But its heavy AF. Super sharp wide open. I honestly think the Fuji XT3 is one of the best options out there right now. The 18-55 2.8-4 is great too. The IS is fantastic and of course the Fuji image is great overall. 4k 60p and HD 120p are fantastic. 10 bit and the RAW stills and Jpegs are really amazing.

https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/lillian-review-1203227609/

I have the Sony 18-105 f4 and it is a very good all rounder, particularly for a one lens travelling setup. With it having the zoom rocker and with the clear image zoom extending that range on to about 210mm, it effectively turns the A series cameras into APS-C camcorders. The downside is that it is f4, although I'd rather have a constant f4 than a variable f3.5-f5.6 which would be common with a lens like this. With it being f4, you aren't going to get shallow depth of field at the wide end but you do actually get decent separation and smooth bokeh at the long end. The OSS and AF work well but whilst its by no means a soft lens its definitely fair to say it could be a bit sharper but thats less of an issue for video than it is for stills. The focus by wire is a bit rough but that comes with the territory. Also, its quite hefty in size if not weight so it can make the A series cameras feel a bit unbalanced but I don't mind it being a bit of a lump as it aids stability as far as I'm concerned when its planted in your hand. This video is a very decent and fair view of its pros and cons. With regard to the Sigma, I haven't got that one but I've yet to see anyone who has have anything but fulsome praise for it. If you are looking for an interesting bargain for E mount, one Sigma I do have is the now discontinued Sigma 60mm Art f2.8 which you can pick up very cheaply secondhand now and you'll have few regrets checking one of those out.

To up load to YouTube I would just shoot whatever was highest/best looking to my eyes. To WATCH stuff on YouTube, unless it is something i want to see clearly, I will choose one of the LOWEST settings to keep my data usage low (in some cases even SD uploads would be overkill for me to watch)! I doubt I am alone. That said, great work Kye!

Canon 17-55mm f2.8 I used this lens with the C100 II to shoot docs and short films. It's a perfect match.

I film the aurora borealis so everything else is secondary to low light performance. I have used a P4k at iso 25k and 6fps 360 degrees and the images are good but they are timelapse and in that sense inferior to those from my A7S (which I stupidly sold anticipating the A7S3 last year). (P4K) (A7S) Yes, I’d like to improve 101 things about the Sony but if it still has the best low light performance then those things can be overlooked.