Leaderboard

Let's be honest, these stupid workarounds are not practical on set. It is up to Canon to fix the damn camera, not us. We paid the money, and not a small amount. Unscrewing the back, prodding the card door sensor, ripping the clock battery out... None of it is acceptable for $4000

I am absolutely not saying that someone who had an R5 could use a good old fashioned CR2032 battery eliminator in the camera then bring it out through the camera enabling them to provide a switchable power source to it to effectively remove/re-insert it without taking the camera apart each time they want to reset the recovery time. I'm absolutely not saying that. Someone else might say that. But, just to be clear, I'm not saying that at all, OK?

"Math Class" on Baidu now has extensive infrared thermometer readings of the camera's mainboard with the back off, showing they correspond closely to the temperature reported in the EXIF data and don't rise above 64C. His next finding is that if you remove the internal battery it resets the so-called overheating limitations. So who is telling the truth now, Canon? You can view the most recent findings here by the user "Math Class" (Google translated) Read the full article on EOSHD: https://www.eoshd.com/8k/removing-internal-battery-resets-eos-r5-overheat-timer-are-canons-pants-now-completely-down/

There once was a camera built on deceit Who's video features were said to be sweet. But amongst all the clamor, Came Canon's Cripple Hammer, And now we know it really doesn't overheat.

Remember this ? So, again, I find myself thinking that tonight's tweet is a very funny way to spell "Boy we were wrong about this and our sincerest apologies to Andrew for trying to incite you all to pour scorn on him when he raised this on day one". Shameless.

Just tried this as well. It does forget the aperture because it didn't write it to NVRAM in time if you pull the battery quite quickly - I tried after about 10 seconds, with the battery door open and a small screw lodged in the pin to force the camera into ON state even with door open. It does not forget the timers That seems to work off a separate clock to the main date / time and is constantly ticking away like a quartz powered by the button cell. One solution I wish the Chinese guy had tried is to permanently remove the internal battery and see if the recovery timer is reset every time you reboot without it. It would be annoying to be kept asking to input date and time on every startup though.

We tried this via the Wifi App by @BTM_Pix It just changes the data and time, it does not reset the separate clock used to measure the camera up-time. I can confirm Magic Lantern are looking into it.

58C for 45 mins in the special "not limited by heat" mode!! But what's a few degrees C between friends when you want to sell a C500 II, right?

I think it's great. I find that I have more trouble with my own vision than I did with focus peaking accuracy. When I use the EVF, nailing focus is quite easy. When I run on a tripod or gimbal, the internal screen, as good as it is, is simply too small, so I'm almost always using my Ninja V then anyways.

Also Tilta.....think battery eliminators.....not coolers.

That is certainly in line with the sort of thing I'm not talking about. It's likely a smaller battery in the R5 so it would likely require a smaller version of what I'm sure we can all agree that I'm absolutely not talking about.

EOSHD tabs in his browser...

"Breaking news" And people wonder why I take issue with so many YouTubers.

Canon pants down? They are overheated and on fire!

It depends on which is the least amount of face to lose, having to unlock it and admit they'd locked it or canning it altogether to avoid having to admit that. You'd think they'd just go with the numbers, take it on the chin, just fix it and carry on selling it but you just never know. Although having said that its not even entirely certain whether they would actually get much backlash. People will let a lot of things slide to get the features a fully unrestricted version of this camera would give them and of course, in the modern world, as long as they tough out the first few days of any backlash then by and large everyone forgets anyway. Everything that I targeted from the API in the testing app was based on that premise as both @Andrew Reid and I knew it was unlikely to be strictly temperature based but the subsequent chase down was necessary to prove it as definitively as its likely going to be proven outside of Canon. I still don't think that will stop everyone talking about the temperatures though 😉 Canon muddied those waters with their original limit list when describing a specific temperature which set off all sorts of tangents with different anecdotal reports from differing environments. All of that was a red herring but even "60 jpegs in a fridge" doesn't quell the "I used it to shoot 300 RAW files in 12fps burst mode whilst pouring molten lava on it and it didn't overheat" reports. So I think it will go on for a while, particularly in the vacuum that Canon have left for it to do so by not making any sort of comment whatsoever. I'm starting to think those people who have experienced all these outlying run times and unhindered performance with their R5s might actually have faulty ones 🙂

So they've replaced the "Cripple Hammer" with the "Temporary Incapacitating Hammer" ? Its a possibility. Earlier on in this saga when the denial was high about the R5 I said we'd reached the "Pining for the fjords" stage of the Dead Parrot Sketch. I might have to revise that now and say we might only be at the "He's not dead...he's just stunned" stage 🙂

Personally I'd rather DPAF than PDAF, I can't stand those weird lines you get at higher ISO on PDAF sensors Yeah it's good peaking. I can't really focus pull that well on Ninja V due to the high HDMI delay. You need to rehearse pulls so live pulling i HAVE to do on the screen

Has anyone considered the idea that Canon might have wanted to release the full potential of this camera at a later point? The argument could be made they wanted to own the entire "spec" buying videographer market, knowing Sony or someone else would have made something to compete that would be up to snuff to compete (again, in terms of specs). At this point, they'd release a new firmware "unlocking" the full potential on us unsuspecting customers. Both Fuji and Olympus have done this type of thing in the past, only with firmware. Yes, if this is so, it went horribly wrong for Canon.

About having to manually put all your settings in... Imagine if someone had already written an app that uses Canon's API for testing this overheating and that could also reset all those settings in one go when you haven't used the battery reset workaround that I certainly never advocated using?

A lot of the stuff I do is delivered in 1080p, with maybe 10% in UHD. I also still make DVDs for some clients, but always send a 1080p mp4 via Dropbox or Google Drive. Really I deliver in whatever way the client wants though. A surprising number don't want/expect anything with a high bit rate. I'll often get asked if I can make the file smaller!

Yes,...if the S1H did have phase detect AF, it WOULD be flawless. Too dangerous and that us why it won't ever have PDAF. The camera industry has a "pizza pie" of customers. They work together to divide the customer revenue so that each company has a "group" to live off of. Panasonic has its crowd, Sony has its people, Cannot and Fuji and Oly each have their own customers...for carefully calculated reasons. The Japaneese camera industry is an important one for the country of Japan. Its almost a "national pride" issue. They cherish it and the Japanese companies want each company to succeed or at least survive as a matter of pride and respect for each other. Each company will spar with each other, yes!...but always see that each refuses to deliver a true "knockout" blow to the other. Ot just won't ever happen. This is why every camera will be crippled in some way to save the Japaneese "brotherhood" from being destroyed. Everybody is given a bowling lane to operate and survive in. The camera crippling we have all seen in the past 20+ years is no accident. Its mostly designed to preserve the health of the Japaneese camera industry as a whole. Believe it or not....but Sony doesn't want Cannot to die. Cannot doesnt want Lumix to die...etc. They are each valuable to the country they all love.

Pants down and knickers shit. Maybe the few that got a non-recalled R5 are the lucky ones now. There will no doubt be mods to enable 8K in 20 minute recording chunks with a 2 minute cool down now that we know the true internal temps.

My friend will appreciate this non-advice very much. Thanks.

Yeah, I don't pay $4000 to have to reset a cripple clock or disassemble the body. Over to you Canon! (That doesn't mean to say we shouldn't continue to explore and investigate. I find the workarounds shed light on the camera's design and behaviour, which allows us to hold Canon to account with hard evidence).

I have had about a week with the camera and seriously LOVE it! Totally sold on it. The footage out of this thing is incredible.

You are talking informed armchair shite. YOU have not taken a single shot with YOUR EOS R5 and reported anything here of value. YOU have not taken the back off like some people, and even measured internal temps with an infrared thermometer. A heavy load for an Intel CPU is 90C. I have a laptop that registers even 95C during rendering. If the CPU goes above this it will throttle to maintain 90C-95C. Only if the temperature carries on rising, is it a risk. 90C is fine. Fans and heatsinks in a PC are only there to maintain stable temperatures - to dissipate heat - for very hot running components that use a lot of energy. A smartphone does not have a fan, as the energy consumption is lower and efficiency far higher - these kind of CPUs are RISC as is the ARM based CPU in the EOS R5 and R6. The EOS R5 maintains a stable temperature below 65C in all video modes - this is not conjecture, it shows in the PCB temperature sensor and EXIF metadata, infrared thermometer tests, and just plain old application of common sense. If the EOS R5 can run at "heavy load" in 8K for 10 mins... what's so special about the 20 min point at same temperature that it has to shut off... Nothing. It's a timer. And the recovery times are even more artificial. If your laptop can render 8K for 20 mins at 65C it means the temps are stable and plateau at a comfortable level. Same with a camera CPU.

Maybe Canon will sell one time overheating timer reset voucher codes in the future 😂

Is your client asking for 4K high bit depth delivery? If not I would NOT ad the variables of the external recorder and RAW that you've never shot with on top of you shooting for the day. If you do go that route give yourself 2 days to get used to the setup and editing it before shooting.

Give Canon credit for creativity. There was much speculation of how this one might be crippled. Canon said "Hold my sake".

They already did it in the past too.

He definitely needs to toe the line when it comes to stating possible reason why. I am surprised that many in that thread still didn't believe there was proof of a software timer. At least Roger was very clear on that. The only questions are why and whether Canon will do something about it.

H.264 1080P via Google Drive. Most clients don't care about 4K or the codec, and they actually prefer smaller file size. Of course, there are some clients who have specific need, and I will deliver the codec and resolution they want. But more often than not, H264 1080P is the most suitable format for the clients. I do event videography mostly, so this is my experience.

you should shoot more mono no0ne. Thats rather good 🙂 I'm on my third russian lens. This one is interesting in the fact, there's no play anywhere, its quite smooth to turn and it came with an ef adapter that has the tiniest amount of play i have experienced in any adapter so far. putting on the 60d it seems to focus on infinity going to try it on the p4k tomorrow. The orchard near me is out in flowers so i want to capture it with the p4k. Downside is the last few days have been 60 km an hour winds. Which isn't really conducive to me videoing anything outside.

I think they were hoping that chatter among the photography community would drown out the complaints coming from video focused users. I think they designed the camera with photography users in mind and added the 8k for that wow factor on the spec sheet. I can't see why else they would add such a feature and then hamper it to the point of it being completely unusable.

Don't forget they will recycle this processor and sensor until at least 2030. So over the course of 10 years they will slightly uncripple it 🤣

I personnally find it quite good on my S1H. I feel it's the best focus peaking i've ever used on any camera i owned (several sony a7, several Panasonic GH, BMP 4k...). I thought it would be hard to nail focus but with use it's actually very possible.

It costs considerably more than that in the UK and for that price, you get cropped 4K at HQ - not fullframe, normal 4K which still looks rubbish even when sharpened judging by samples I saw, 4K over an external recorder, which defeats weather sealing, ease of hand holding and portability. 3 things I would buy this camera for. Plus some lovely video modes I would love to use but can't. I also get codecs that are hard to edit, a crap micro HDMI port, no dual card recording, and no RAW output via HDMI, something the competition provides. What a bargain... 🤔

At least you don’t have to explain to your wife that you are about to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on audio equipment in this current economic environment. Its good but not great. It tends to be slightly off, much better when you use the zoom function and peaking enabled but we can’t do that when live recording ;-(

Very interesting that it resets the timer. Still rather curious if there's any potential for damaging the sensor though. Like if you do this for a full day do you start to "see things". Not really worried about the CPU or even media bay in this case. Sucks either way. Sounds like some sort of firmware update is coming might have some sort of rate increase, but I think I'd like to know more about if they are trying to protect the sensor itself or if it's actually just crippled. Plus side, images are nice off of it. I'm certain with all of this though an actively cooled 8K cinema camera will be coming to the Canon C series lineup outside of the Japan only one they currently have.

Andrew....do you know the "Magic Lantern" guys? Do you know how to contact or reach out to them? I would literally bet my life that they are very interested in this R5 mess. If you want to upset Cannot and REALLY ring their bell, get some dialog going with ML and REALLY start a fire here.... If Cannot has not yet encrypted their firmware, could you imagine ML reversing all these cripples in firmware? Maybe It could be just as easy as taking timer values in lines of code and replacing them with high values like "99999" or something of that sort. Cannot doesnt fear bad R5 press....but they DO absolutely fear somebody circumventing their carefully chosen marketing strategies and tactics!

As ludicrous as it sound to the West, that's the way things are run in Japan since the XIX century, at least. The collective beats the individual. Not so in the West, where it's exactly the opposite.

I am not asking for myself, asking for a friend but is this the kind of eliminator you are not talking about?

This is not a defective product, just a crippled one, let's call it the right terminology.

On several occasions I have indicated that he will have to make a short documentary about this defective product, a product of the protection policies that Canon has with its line of film cameras. I see it difficult for Canon to apologize, since there is an army of complacent (or paid) youtubers and this audiovisual piece would remain for posterity, reminding us that we must be critical as consumers and showing how fanaticism for brands allows this type of bad practices. A short documentary that serves as an audiovisual memory.

Apart from the artificial crippling, the consensus is the camera doesn’t actually overheat? What voodoo is in there that the S1H doesn’t have? (which needs a huge vent). Thing is, if Canon didn’t do this I would of been a customer of 2 bodies and a bunch of RF lenses. Plus I would of likely picked up an RF cine cam in the future. Just doesn’t make much business sense to me.

What extent this can work out as mod letting the camera flow as a regular capture device as any other camera, now?

TBH on the S1H I don't miss the AF now I'm used to it. I went back to a C200 a while back, and I was trusting it was AF, and it was actually slightly out through the whole interview. Now I always do that in MF too.

Hi guys, just want to share a simple video of a Olive-winged Bulbul which flew and perched on a tree just right in front of me at the local zoo. Shot with hacked Samsung NX1 with a 45mm 1.8 with AF and DIS on. At 4K UHD 180mbs, the details looks very good to me. Please ignore the background noise though as it was in the zoo afterall.

definitively I love my NX1 😛

Very nice!