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Yeah and losses to 1400€ ryzen laptop. By a lot. Loses even for the cheap ryzen 4600U.

Everyone: Please Sony, give us an A7sIII with professional video features! If you do I will buy at least seven of them. Sony: Ok, here it is! Everyone: Meh it's just a rehashed A7sIII. This is lame and I'm not buying it.

I’m not so sure of this “disappointing” talk. The A7SIII got the same slack by many and that’s turned out to be an absolute marvel of a camera. The FX6 is what people asked for... an A7SIII with E-ND, XLR’s, SDI, S-cinetone and video ergonomics. Both cameras are unique in the market for what they offer. The handle thing is annoying and lack of LongGOP - yep I agree. It’s not perfect. I’m just wondering what people expect these days? A full frame compact video camera with 4k120 in 10bit is no longer good enough? All the manufacturers are smashing it and every camera released this year has gone beyond.

For the FCP video editors out there: 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC from R5 with insane bitrates...not a problem 4K 60p 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC with several corrections and a LUT applied....not a problem. Very impressive considering his $15,000 Mac Pro can’t do it.

I think the final sentence is the best piece of advice you can give. Seriously, at this point is there a worse investment than a new camera if you don't have a job that specifically requires it? YouTube channels or blogs promoting new gear and tech during this pandemic is not just irresponsible it's almost a little sinister.

All good points. C50 - The C50 is coming, yes, but I just don't think it will really be competing against the FX6 and EVA-2s of the worlds. Seems like it will be a box but with the C200 sensor (but without the raw?) - seems like it could be a bit of a meh release from Canon. Full rumored specs here: https://www.canonrumors.com/revisiting-the-canon-cinema-eos-c50-and-what-it-could-be/ S1H - I said it before, but the C70 is what the S1H should have been in the first place. As a mirrorless, everyone whined it was too large. They should have just beefed it up a bit, added internal NDs, an SDI, and maybe a couple mini XLR ports (or just stuck with their hotshoe XLR adapter, which works very well). I think it would have sold like hotcakes at $4.5k. -- Most of the specs I listed are specs I think Panasonic needs to differentiate themselves. I loved the EVA-1 and its specs still stack up well to most of the competition ($6500 for 4k 60fps, 10-bit in all sorts of flavors AND 5.7k ProRes Raw). But I think they either need to go BIG with the EVA-2 at the $6500 - 7500 price point (which might mean 8k, or 120fps+ at 4k, or ProRes internal, or (somehow) raw internal, full-frame sensor, IBIS, etc). Though, if they threw the S1H sensor into a BGH1-style box, added internal NDs and some mini XLRs, that would be pretty sweet as well.

Rather lose the audio inputs than lose the timecode input.

They've got to differentiate the FX6 and FX9 "somehow". Otherwise the FX6 is too good, upsetting many FX9 owners as it steps on their toes. At least it still has the BNC TC input! Which is far more important for syncing with the sound department. Plus it still has the smart shoe you could use if you really really want to feed audio into the camera while on a gimbal? That's not a bad thing. Yes, for lots of people that is true. If they're casual / hobbyist / indie semi-pro filmmakers. In fact, I'd argue that even cheaper cameras like a a7mk4/X-T4/GH5/E2-M4/P4K/Z6mk2/S5/etc But if they're shooting every week with their camera and get paid a fair rate for it, then it is a no brainer to get an FX6 over an a7Smk4! (although, they just might end up getting both)

Downgrades compared to a7S III No audio input on a gimbal (without top handle) No IBIS No EVF No HDMI raw (Ninja V is two times cheaper than Shogun 7 and fits camera size better) No audio in 100/120p mode (a7S III has that option in addition to S&Q) No 10bit 4K Long GOP (a7S III has that codec option in addition to ALL-I) Worse menu and touch AF Worse AWB tools Half-upgrades compared to a7S III Looks like DCI 4K (4096 × 2160px) is ~10% cropped for 1:1 readout instead of being slightly oversampled like UHD Better cooling at the cost of weather sealing Upgrades compared to a7S III Electronic ND Waveform SDI and SDI raw Arguably better form-factor for handheld work More professionally looking camera for a client that likes ... looking ... at your tools ... Did I miss anything?

HUGE media blitz with glowing reviews...remember me the launches of certain images devices that we are used here... 🙂 Looks like the new Macs are really good, but if I was looking to buy one, would wait until some real world users put it to their paces (and maybe the Rosetta caches becomes full). The 16Gb ram (not expandable) max and the restriction of having only one external monitor could be deal breakers to some video editing setups. (and with the "Apple dollar" here in Brazil, you could buy a top last gen Ryzen with 32 gb ram, top video card and 2TB SSD with the local price of the new Mac Mini, and have some money to spare...)

No IBIS is a deal breaker for people used to already have it in 2020 for less than 6000 bucks. That electronic ND filter also going along the a7SIII might be the extra plus against the most direct competitors today for growing their E-mount adopters basis indeed. Lack of future sales perspective from their side if you ask me :- )

Meh https://www.eoshd.com/news/sony-fx6-is-here-but-will-you-still-have-a-job-to-go-with-it/

This is coming from the main R5 thread: Manufacturer's webpage link: Some additional accessory suggested by an useful tip from our user member's entry @Jn-. And here are the last contributions to the talk:

I may get a maxed out Mac Mini M1 for my company. I’m looking at 27-32” monitors and the amount of options is staggering. It’s confusing to say the least. It will be used for editing and grading for brand and music video work. Budget is up to £1k or maybe a bit more if it’s worth it. What do you recommend?

Especially as @Mark Romero 2 mentioned weddings, I'd strongly consider getting a third camera. (and with @kye's "two is one and one is none" principle, you ought to have four cameras!) If you know your specific uses cases well, such as: "I'll only use my B Cam (& C Cam) for wiiide / mid wide shots on a tripod for planned out shots in at least moderately well lit conditions" (which is the case for all interviews, they'll be well lit, and I'd even say for weddings too. As no, wedding are not "extreme low light" scenarios. Not by 2020 standards. Sure weddings demanded "good low light cameras" back in the early 2000's when standards of what is "good at low light" was different. But this is 2020! You won't have troubles using MFT whatsoever for your multicamera setups for the ceremony and speeches. Sure, later in the evening when it gets dark and they're partying, good low light capabilities are beneficial. But by this point in time you're no longer rolling multicamera setups for hours at a time, you're getting B Roll with your A Cam instead for the edit) Thus you could have your Panasonic S1 as your A Cam, and two secondhand Panasonic G7 for dirt cheap, one with the cheap SLR Magic 8mm and the other simply with the kit 14-42mm lens. (perhaps throw in the cheap Panasonic 25mm f1.7 lens, "just in case". Your total lens investment is still very very minimal, thus doesn't so matter much you're spreading yourself thin across two lens mounts of MFT & L Mount)

There are more than enough options out there from the last 10+ years to make amazing films...starting to feel like the camera industry is going the way of the cell phone industry...new offerings yearly...if you can't shoot an amazing film with 2008 RED One...the C70/FX6 won't do it for you either 🙂

I second everything that @IronFilm said. Now is a good time to consolidate to one lens mount as you're selling lenses anyway. This folds into a lens strategy where you should be able to use the same lenses across both cameras, but without having duplicates, which typically means having the same sensor size. For example, if you want a variety of shots in your Multicam setup then you want a different FOV from the two cameras. Typically that would mean having a mid-shot on the A-cam and either a wider shot on B-cam, or a tight shot on the B-cam, and is often done with a 24-70 / 16-35 or 24-70 / 70-200. If your B-cam was an MFT then you'd either have to have a second 24-70 to get a tighter shot with the crop sensor, or you'd have to use a specialist MFT wide lens like a 7-14mm to get something that was actually wide, but then that's a lens you can't use on your A-camera. The other advantage of having cameras of the same sensor size and common lens mount is that everything is a backup for everything else. If a body dies then you have a second body that can use any of your lenses. If a lens dies then you have access to every other lens on that camera. In the spirit of "two is one and one is none" you might consider buying a very cheap third body in case one body dies, which would leave you with a dual-camera setup in that case. I don't know how you shoot and edit so you could always cut up the interview with B-roll if you only had one camera for the interview, but it's worth considering. In terms of a third body, something with good 1080p would probably be the way to go, which typically means older and smaller sensor. In that situation you'd want to get something that required as little extra peripherals as possible, for example, using compatible power solutions, lenses, etc. That might be where a G7 or something comes into play, where you can use the 70-200 on your main camera and the 24-70 on the backup camera as a mid shot, perhaps positioned further away, or go to 70 and without a speed booster it would be a tight shot. I'm employing this strategy in my work. My main setup for travel film-making is a GH5 combined with a Sony X3000 action camera and next trip I will probably buy a GH3 as a second / backup body. It will take the same lenses, can be used as a second angle if required (either for real-time or time lapses), and if my whole main setup of GH5 goes in the drink (for example) then I can easily replace it with the GH3 and the only overheads of the GH3 will be to carry an extra 3.5mm on-camera mic, USB battery charger and a couple of batteries, and a 14/2.5 lens as replacement to my 17.5/0.95 main lens. If my X3000 dies then I can use my 7.5/2 lens on the GH5 or on the GH3 to replace the FOV. I would lose the waterproof abilities of the X3000 but that's the price of a camera dying on a trip.

As much as I am a fan boy of MFT, I'd lean towards spending the extra for a Panasonic S5 (or a second secondhand S1) over a GH5. Because it is smart for all your cameras to share the same mount, and of course you'll get an even closer match in colors between your A and B cam. (bit different matter if you were asking about a G7 as your B Cam? As the cost savings there are so huuuuuge) Also, stop buying EF mount glass.

The audio on the top handle isn't a big deal for me. You still have scratch audio and I never use an on camera mic with a gimbal. Usually would have an audio guy with a separate recorder, which is usually the case for anything.

The GH5 is your cheapest and best bet. Of course it can't keep up with the S1 beyond 3200 iso and the dynamic range is more limited. However dynamic range isn't as important for say a close up B cam shot and I am guessing you usually light your interviews. The Fuji is a great deal and the image is a step up from the GH5 but the record limits suck for interviews. If you can get a used GH5 for under 1k I think its a good option. The 25mm 1.7 might be a good option. The rokinon/samyang 12mm f2 is a good wide angle option if can deal with a manual lens. The Viltrox is a fine option. Wide open the viltrox is soft that is the one downside. Lens Turbo speedboosters are the best in terms of low budget ones, but they are fully manual. Vlog L and Vlog do not match but its certainly closer than SLOG vs VLOG or Vlog vs FLOG or any other log.

Give Sony its due here, the FX6 and A7SIII make for a much better A and B camera than Canons recent C70 and R5. The latter has both cameras at odds with native 4K sensor up against downsampled 8K, before we even look at the overheating issues the R5 has. All we need is for Panasonic to be inspired by the C70 and FX6 and release their own dedicated video camera, which when combined with the S1H, you've another excellent A and B camera setup to choose from. Assuming AF wasn't your big concern.

h264 8bit on what it seems a HD timeline..... Any video showing 4k 265 10bit 4:2:2 on a 4k dci with a 2-3 nodes with and without NR?

I've never got why people mark this down as such a big con. My favourite camera from the past few years was my C100 Mk2, didn't need IBIS at all. The form factor doesn't need it. The main reason for IBIS (IMO) on the hybrids are the form factors aren't designed for video use, they're stills cameras and they're not the easiest to hold steady.

DaVinci is fully M1 optimized. You can choose.

More RAM always better if you can afford it. Looking like 13in MBP with 16GB is my next laptop. I have an R5 coming and all the heavy lifting I would do on my computer is video editing...so I’d rather pay $1,500 for a MBP then $4,000 for a fully spec out intel Mac and not be able to edit my footage smoothly without time-consuming transcoding. No background rendering required with any R5 footage in FCP on M1 Macs, even with correction and a LUT applied. Pretty amazing. Now they just need to update FCP with enhanced features like tracking and facial recognition and tracking to keep it competitive with resolve and premier.

Need desktop Ryzen to edit HEVC 4:2:2 smooth, 5950x can handle 3 stream of h.265 4k60p real time smooth, but then no laptop have the power of that. I m curious to see the difference between 8gb and 16gb for a bit bigger projects.

It's still a pain in the ass to edit for most people that use a lot of these lower end professional/cinema cameras, and h.264 is already in wide use at this level. There aren't really that many benefits to it, outside of smaller file size, is there? I also don't sense much of a demand right now.

Except that Ryzen can’t edit HEVC 4:2:2 smoothly at all. And since we are on a camera forum, I would assume that is very important consideration for many people.

I agree with this. It’s all about what you do with it that dictates what you should buy. Both the RF and E mounts have bright futures, so you can’t go wrong much.

Wasn't there also rumors of a C50 as well? Or was that just random forum speculation / wishful thinking. You left off Sony VENICE The EVA1 at $6.5 vs FX6 at $6K means the EVA1 is now totally dead in the water when it comes to future sales. (unless it is some unusual exceptional circumstances, like you already have a fleet of EVA1 cameras and you absolutely must buy only a matching camera) Panasonic could follow Canon, and release a body with a full frame lens mount but a S35 sensor. Would make happy all the people who have a FS7/FS5 with lots of premium S35 glass, but the FX9 is too expensive to leap on to (or whatever other reason they might not like it for). And the FX6 is ruled out due to not being able to do 4K S35 Although of course, I'd prefer it if the EVA2 had a MFT mount!! Please. We're not in a 6K world, and nowhere near close to that happening either. Won't be a deal breaker if the EVA2 lacks 6K. Not a deal breaker if it caps out at 4K 60fps (or heck, even 4K 30fps! But if it is limited to 4K 30fps its release price had better be significantly lower than even the Canon C70) Like you said, cinema cameras NEVER have this feature, so not a big deal if the EVA2 lacks IBIS. However, I have been saying "not a deal breaker" many times now. I do feel like Panasonic must select implementing at least one or two of these features and do it anyway, to help push the envelope and create overall an appealing package that people want to buy vs the competition. (unless they implement none of these?? And just compete purely on price?? Like if they put a S1H sensor and specs inside an original EVA1 body, then sold it at the same price as a S1H??? That wouldn't be a bad idea! Especially if they made at least one small tweak to the body, and ditched the EF mount for L Mount) IBIS would be the smartest of all these "not a deal breaker" features to include instead of excluding. As Panasonic has one of the very best IBIS system, with years of experience implementing IBIS in cameras, and it is a unique feature that would make them stand out from all over cinema cameras and that feature alone might attract a few buyers to them for it. Obviously. Careful, can't be stepping too much on the toes of their Varicam users! Then again, the Varicam lineup is even older than the EVA1 itself, and deserves to gets its toes stepped up. Wonder if Varicam might see an update before EVA1 does? PDAF won't happen in an EVA2. But yes, worth praying for S5 AF in an EVA2.

A lot of them are covered under KMZ but I'll add the others. Thanks. Thanks Basic rule of thumb is that if you can get a lens gear on it then it is compatible. Thats a big "if" though for a number of lenses.

You won’t know the value of an END until you’ve used one.

Truly mind-blowing. For all the shit Apple gets, and often well-deserved since they do put out a lot of bullshit, the M1 is an industry disrupter. Processor clock speeds and ram sizes are rendered meaningless now, especially with the optimization w/ macOS. Sure, the next more advanced M1 Macs will be insane, but I'm not waiting if I can do basic 4K-8K editing for the next few years with a cheap, small, quiet computer. I can't wait to get this damn egpu off my desk, farting hot air into my face. (If only SSDs would improve in $/TB, and I can get rid of this 8-disk raid too). With the M1, Apple hasn't created a more innovative product since the original iPhone. Speaking of which, I'm returning this 12 pro max for a Mac mini. Why would I need a new phone during another year of lockdowns? Fooled me again, apple. But M1 is a Great Leap Forward.

Yeah, M1 chip all way long.

Nothing wrong with that post work. No action cam will mimic that.

The current videos out so far is only doing simple layer edit, once you put multiple layer/lut etc the throttle will be more obvious

The FX9 IQ is great. If its like that except with a A7S3 sensor, that would be nice.

Thermal throttle is no fun though, unless you edit super fast

That's a double challenge indeed : ) Isn't that what they actually try?? ; ) It's not true such attempt is totally useless at all. Without mention, cut is part of the process, post (part of this craft) is not only trying to correct with 10% warp stabilization. That said, imperfection is part of this art. There is a level of tolerance on both ways for sure. Other than that it's just people complaining on web ;- )

here we are https://www.theverge.com/21570497/apple-macbook-pro-2020-m1-review

Yeah, not surprises here, very underrated one indeed. In Portuguese now (sorry folks, @techie you're right!) but quite of a remark -- selfie camera included on 8K (BTW 5 to 8 minutes before overheating in accordance with the reviewer info/tip) and 4K 120fps for a little bargain, that is, for 800 bucks:

Right now, I'd say Sony.

Lol very similar to this graph just down below on that article

For pure stills, the R5. For pure video, the Sony. For hybrid, could go either way depending on your picture requirements. Would be my opinion.

If its based on the ARM design (most likely the Cortex X1, with another lower re-deisgned core), theoretically Snapdragon and Exynos should be able to pull off high end laptop processors too (if they can record 8k, in compressed H.264/H.265) on smartphones, their processors already seem capable enough). Nice that processors are getting smaller and a lot kroe efficient. Also, the monopoly of over pricing processors is wearing off. Hopefully Snapdragon and Exynos join the race, sooner than later.

BTW so far only Samsung 970 EVO Plus works without problem, 960 Pro stopped recording in 4 min on 8k Raw.

Done, by suggestion of our webmaster, let's focus here for the overheating hassle : ) Still wondering if this cannot help the overheating issue coupled to an aluminium cage...

Don't buy Mac, you are really wasting money to go with the brake on 😅