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I thought I wasn't going to do this, but I'm not 100% sold on the color out of the S1 and am thinking of getting something else to replace it. It's great, but feels better suited for corporate gigs than what I do. The P6K footage I work with impresses me a lot. The lack of skew, smaller files, and option for a speed booster on the P4K (and the price) makes it more attractive to me personally though. Anyone own both and shot with them side by side? The magenta tint on the S1, lack of grain in HEVC, etc. don't quite do it for me. I'm VERY biased toward the specific colors and texturing coming from Alexa. Even Red is too sharp and clean for me and I want the closest thing that's cheap. Am I just expecting too much at this price point?

A few clips with the G85, trying to answer the question, "can I walk with it?". So, several longer walking shots: I was expecting a resounding "No", but the answer is "sort of". If I had a top handle and had used a wider lens or my focal reducer (or a Power OIS lens), I might have gotten away with it. Not wild about the color straight out of camera, but we can't have everything. This is a pretty fun camera to use. I owned an Olympus EM10iii for a while and I much prefer this. From time to time, I film protests. I think this camera would be a good fit for that.

Just bought a GX85. It's purpose is to serve double-duty, as an inoffensive little camera that I can stealthily take anywhere, and as a 2nd / backup cam for travels. Travel is one of my great pleasures, and if COVID has taught me anything, it's that I need to get better at travel near home. This has resulted in my Go Shoot project, which essentially involves trying to have small, low-zero cost adventures close to home, and to film them as little videos to try things and make memories. The key thing for this kind of thing is having a small unassuming camera that doesn't attract attention. I've been using my GF3, due to its tiny size, but its lack of tilting screen or stabilisation are rather inconvenient and it 17Mbps 1080p is a little lacklustre to say the least. These projects are about story first and image second, and are finished on a 1080p timeline. This means that if I take the 100Mbps 4K image and crop 2x then it becomes a 1080p at 25Mbps image, which is still acceptable (and still better than the GF3!) so that means that the GX85 and 14mm f2.5 combo would be tiny, but with the 2.2x crop factor in 4K and cropping in post, would be 31-62mm equivalent, and the f2.5 combined with the downscaling in post should mean it'd have reasonable low-light ability too. GX85 with 14mm f2.5 for a tiny setup: If I want to work quickly and have a more doc-style of shooting, I can pair it with the 12-35/2.8 and get 26-154mm. In extreme low-light (like caves), I can take the Voigtlander 17.5/0.95 and get 39-78mm. If I want to go vintage, I can use the Cosmicar 12.5/1.9 for a 28-56mm range. Lots of cool options available. Once we get back to travel, which is likely to happen later here in Australia than elsewhere in the world it seems, I'll also use it for a 2nd / backup camera to my GH5. I find that often I will be on a balcony or terrace in golden hour (either dawn or dusk) looking at a spectacular view and wanting to record three things simultaneously: Time-lapse of the whole scene as the light changes - super wide-angle and deep DoF This will be my action camera, which by taking 8MP (in 16:9) Jpegs, which are around 3Mb each, gives about 600Mbps when put onto a timeline at 25fps. Not bad! Time-lapse of part of the scene - variable focal length required This will be what the GX85 will do, and can use any of the MFT lenses I have. Video of interesting things happening, probably with a wide-angle lens This is what the GH5 will be being used for. People walking, boats sailing, flags waving, etc etc. The GX85, by being able to share any of the lenses I have for the GH5, also makes a great backup camera in the instance that the GH5 is out of action. Is anyone else using a GX85? or small camera to fly under the radar?

Yes I mean in human / animal mode. I have tried this but not had any joy but then I have found once the yellow box appears it works anyway (but the suggestion in the video is it could work better). It is almost impossible to test without another human subject but I have a shoot on Thursday. Have you used the method when there is only one subject so nothing to choose from?

Simple question, in Movie mode what does the P (in a box) to the right of MF on the LCD mean (also get it with AFS but not AFC which displays the AFC type instead)? I have scoured the manual and come up with nothing.

I love my GX85. The colours are great once graded. Love the palette and grading is pretty easy for this little beauty. It is very tactile and ergonomic body, great pleasure to use with many great features, such as 4K photo for 4to3 and 1to1 ration filming with 4Kish resolution. 2xDigizoom even giving good results, despite obvious aliasing. Shot some awesome photos with it with two C-mount beauties, Fujinon 12mm and Angie 75mm both super16 lenses. I would love this body with GH5(2) features.:) Would be my to go camera forever.

I have both and they are easily matched.. They are nearly identical color wise when placed side by side. The main difference to me is the highlight rolloff is softer on pocket series. The S line is nice due to the lack of noise, but the codec is more intensive on the CPU. But there is IBIS. Pick your poison

Thanks! Getting going is always the hard part. And shooting something is always better than shooting nothing. Upgrade obsession is a hollow pursuit. I get sucked in too, though lately I find myself bored by videos that are trying to sell some expensive thing that is going to possibly make an incremental improvement to my kit. I hope you make it down to your art and garden center. I think you'll be happy that you went.

I like your sample video!!! I am envious: I have been feeling a bit lethargic lately. There is this art and garden center that is literally five minutes down the road from me with beautiful fall colors that I have been meaning to shoot the last three years and... I just can't be bothered. Instead, I spend too much time on youtube looking at reviews of camera gear that I know I am never going to buy... I like the colors, and I like the overall look, but I think that we are just headed for a world where everything has to be 4K sharp or nobody under 60 is going to appreciate it.

Its more or less Dogme 95 without the tapes. Maybe time to update the manifesto and create Dogme 21

The GX85 continues to be a great. I had it for over 2 years and I took videos and photos that I'll cherish forever. I only sold it because I mistakenly thought something Sony and FF would do better and they were from a technical point of view, but it was much bulkier and not as fun to shoot with. I've taken a tonne of shots with the 14mm f/2.5 too- loved that combo for over a year and a half. In 2019, when I decided I'd never leave M43 again, I've been looking for that lens. Sometimes, you can find it for about 100 Euros. Can't wait to see the results you get with the combo!

Funny to see your post about this. I just picked up a G85 (same sensor as the GX85) for the very same reason. I shoot on Canon Cinema and occasionally RED for work but wanted something small and with a high stealth factor that had a good implementation of IBIS for tripod-free shooting. In this case, image quality was secondary. I haven't been shooting casually or for fun much lately and I am hoping that this camera will help bring me back to it. I've paired mine with a Viltrox speedbooster and the inexpensive Sigma 17-50 f2.8. The camera seems to be detecting the focal lengths from this third-party lens and adjusting the IBIS perfectly. I have no plans to accessorize beyond this setup because that would be self-defeating! I hope you share some of your work here.

Is this an NX1? In 2021? On a Netflix series? Used by a psycho influencer? Is this random or a secret message from Samsung? 😅

The response of the BMPCC / BMMCC is strange in that it isn't strange. You adjust a control and the adjustment gets made and your eyes see what they were expecting to see. That might sound strange, so let me provide some context. My first attempts at colour grading were trying to match low quality footage (GoPro, iPhone footage, etc) shot in mixed lighting. Even using relatively advanced techniques, and animating various adjustments over the course of a shot, it was hard to get things to match, and footage would break. It was enormously frustrating. I then bought the XC10, which I now know I didn't use properly, as I used it with some auto-settings and so was seeing its poor ISO performance, as well as sometimes trying to bring up shots there were underexposed etc. This was similar to trying to adjust the bad quality shots, and also got bad results. The 'feeling' is that the footage is very fragile and that any adjustment will break it, and the feeling is also that the sliders in Resolve were fighting with me all the time. You adjust WB and instead of the image getting neutral and good, the colours go from being too blue or too purple to just being awful, so you make localised adjustments and the closer you get to neutral the more it looks like you shot the whole thing at ISO 10,000,000. Then I bought the GH5 and it was like a revelation. The 10-bit footage could be pushed and pulled and you basically can't break it even if you try ridiculous things. The 'feel' of the footage is the same as watching a colourist grade footage from a RED or Alexa on a YT video - they pull up a slider and the image just does it without falling apart. The footage comes to life when you adjust it, rather than falling apart. However, when you're shooting on auto-WB (like I do) and every shot requires manual WB adjustments in post, and occasionally have to be animated in post too if the lighting changed during the shot, there is still an element of the colours not cooperating, and kind of feeling like they're degrading under your controls. It's night and day better than the XC10 shot outside its sweet spot, but still not ideal. Then I bought the BMMCC and it was a revelation. I've shot both RAW and prores and really pushed and pulled the footage in post and the problems are just gone. You push and pull it and it just does what you tell it, the footage doesn't break and the colours don't feel like you're fighting them. Adjusting colours feels more like you've been given a spectacular image that has been deliberately degraded in post to look flat and dull and that you're un-doing the degrading treatment. The image gets better as you play with it and get it to where you want it. I posted this video earlier in the thread and it's useful as a reference point: I shot that earlier in the year, in Prores HQ with a fixed WB of 5500K and ETTR. The footage was nice, but didn't match shot for shot (my vND has a green tint) and some shots are obviously exposed very differently to each other depending on if I was protecting the sky or not. One thing you will notice in post is that there is a small knee to roll-off the highlights, but it's a very linear response across the whole range. So if you shoot a shot 3 stops under the exposure of another shot and adjust them in post to match (either by lowering the brighter one or raising the darker one) then you'll get very similar looking images, taking into account the raised noise floor and clipping of course. It's like an Alexa like that, with a broad and very neutral response, unlike other cameras. Here's the shots on the timeline with a 709 conversion and not much else: and here's the final grade: As you can see, I've played a lot with the colours, and especially the green/magenta balance that is the key to a great sunset. Hopefully that helps to explain what "the footage just does what you tell it" actually means in practice. I agree. I feel there's a whole other world out there that's invisible due to NDAs and "professional appearances". During my time owning the XC10 I really had this made clear to me, as on the one hand the entire keyboard warrior camera forum world was saying how the XC10 was a disaster and that no-one would ever use it, and simultaneously I was subscribed to a YT channel where the guy was posting a BTS still from some high-end production or other where an XC10 was visible on set in the background. Of course, if you google "XC10 <movie name>" then there are no hits, so it seems like it doesn't exist, but the pictures are unmistakable. So a camera can have huge press because it's YT camera reviewer flavour of the month, and yet a consumer camera could be in-use daily on high-budget sets across the world and you'd never hear a peep about it. The amateurs make all the noise and essentially the pros move silently. I've heard people say that this is false and that there's heaps on info about what happens on-set available online, but when you see the XC10 in the BTS pics of a half-a-dozen feature films and not a single google hit across any of them, you know that there's an entire world of professional use that's simply invisible. I suspect the BMMCC is firmly in this camp. After all, name another camera that was released in 2012 and is still available as a current product by a major manufacturer...

I have it and for my shooting in uncontrolled situations with varying WB I couldn't get good results out of the LUT at all unfortunately. Maybe in controlled shooting it would be different, but it was too fragile to work in the situations I work in. The BMMCC, however, gets spectacular colour right out of the gate. It's literally giving me better colour after a 2 minute effort than I could get from my GH5 with hours of effort, regardless of the colour profile and use of LUTs, CSTs, of manual grading. I believe people think about cameras in the wrong way. The conversation is about "how good is this camera" or "how good is the image from this camera", and the answer to that is almost always "as good as the operator". But some cameras are really easy to get great results from, and others are almost impossible to work with and only the best operators in the world can get great results from them. The question should be "how good is the image from this camera when used by an above average user under normal circumstances and with a moderate amount of effort in post?". In this instance, the OG BMPCC / BMMCC have to be some of the best cameras ever made.