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Have played a little with the files. Seems that the white balance and exposure was different. But once that has been set approx. the same the fp files look astonishing close the the ones from the Alexa. For the Alexa I have just chosen the ARRI Rec709 LUT built into DaVinci. For the fp settings were as follows: RAW settings: Blackmagin Design + Blackmagic Design Film CST: In: DaVinci Wide Gamut & Blackmagic Design Film => Out: Arri Wide Gamut 3 & Arri LogC3 LUT: Same built in ARRI Rec709 LUT

Indeed and this was something I was quite drawn to with one of my possible future systems, the combo of great AF and focus breathing compensation with Sony.

I agree with @kye, get a camera such as the Sony FX30 and let the camera handle lens breathing in camera. As also, any lens that has no lens breathing is likely to be a cinema lens... and thus won't have autofocus anyway!

If you're concerned about breathing then it's worth mentioning that Sony have lens breathing compensation built into some of their newer bodies. The lenses still breathe, but the camera knows their 'profile' and crops into the image a small amount and as the lens changes focus the camera adjusts the digital zoom to keep a perfect frame and eliminate the focus breathing. In the tests I've seen the results are absolutely perfect and it's one of those things that I didn't think I cared about much until I saw images where it was eliminated and you see how much of an improvement it is to have it gone. I think that unless you have a huge amount of money to spend on lenses then you'd be better off going for a system like this that adjusts digitally rather than paying a lot for a lens without much breathing, as I'd imagine those are likely to be more expensive cine lenses. Happy to be proven wrong, but the Sony compensation seem to do a great job. Sony AF is also very impressive so you wouldn't be compromising there either.

Never seen such a thing. You are nuts @kye @IronFilm to state otherwise. Now back to topic please to the tasty and mighty Lumix S series.😂

If you want a camcorder/cinema camera with ND filters on the cheap which merely does 1080 but with 10bit, how about a Sony FS5?

I subscribe to many YT channels across an extremely broad range of topics, and I can say an emphatic YES that there is bizarre pedantry in virtually any hobby on earth. Artists get hate comments about their paintings based on if they use natural or artificial bristles in their paint brushes, woodworking channels get hate comments if they take a large piece of wood and cut it up into smaller pieces, people who make outdoor off-roading videos get hate comments on how they choose to drive around corners, people who talk about coffee and coffee-making equipment get hate comments if they put milk in their coffee (and don't get anyone started on milk-alternatives).... If anyone out there can find a hobby that has more than two people interested in it where there aren't people arguing about some minute aspect like the fate of the world depends on it then I'd be curious to see it because I haven't found one yet. PS:

You pick one phrase and really pull it apart! What I meant was that I am happy with an APSC camera. I don't need full frame. I just wanted a great APSC camera and that is what I got. I wasn't saying that the S5 was no good in APSC mode was I? Sorry if that is what you thought I meant and got offended? It was not my intention. Is the FX30 the best APSC video camera out there? Nope. Does it suit my needs better than most other cameras out there? Yep. I have camera operated on two Netflix docs back on the FS7. Never had a complaint from Post production about it. But again, I never said the Vlog was bad did I?

Is this a camera thing? Are there forums out there with carpenters spending this much time and effort arguing about why their Makita drill is better than the others DEWALT drill? Two post in a row! 🤯

Yep, I posted three times in a row. Arrest me! That's mainly due to not being able to edit or add to a post very shortly after posting. Didn't know it was a crime! I think you will find that what I said about cine lenses and crop sensors was....and I quote "I also wanted a camera that could shoot high quality APS-C for using most current cine lenses which the FX30 excels at". The FX30 is a great APSC camera, there is no debating that. APSC or S35 (not the same thing) is extremely well catered for when it comes to cine lens selection and it's still a perfectly good format for me. It has been the industry standard for many decades. Many more cine lenses in S35 format than full frame. Sure, you can shoot in APSC mode on many cameras but it sounded like you were in the 'Full Frame or nothing' camp. Happy if I was wrong. EOSM is worse than the FX30 in many regards and may be better in some....not sure what your point is? So if I am happy to shoot in APSC then I should just shoot EOSM because it's cheap? Not sure what your getting at here? What about all the other features it lacks? Is the EOSM the best choice for APSC shooting overall? SLOG3 and All-I have proven themselves. The FX30 is not the first camera with these and that is why the production/post houses I have to deal with prefer them. I stated that I personally had nothing against LONG GOP so you can argue that with post production. It fits in with their work flow here and I've also been shooting for two clients in Europe that requested SLOG3 footage. Never had one ask for VLOG. That's not to say VLOG is bad, but me buying into Panasonic just won't earn me any money....I don't know anyone shooting it unlike Sony and Canon. Ok, so are you going to melt the S1 and S5 into each other to create the perfect Panasonic "Challenger"? Look, a camera is more that one or two flagship specs. It's a sum of ALL it's parts. The FX30 ticks pretty much all the most important requirements for me. According to you so far I need to carry around an EOSM, an S1 and an S5....I'm really confused at what you're trying to prove here. I said the S5 is a great hybrid camera. I'm happy with the FX30 which Is possibly why I don't feel the need to get on the Panasonic S5 thread and bag it to defend my purchase. Are you happy with the S5? I hope so and I hope you go out and enjoy shooting with it. Not sure why people have to pump up their chests and get aggressive when it comes to camera specs??

Pretty much! And for any system. But I clearly don’t know how these things work! 🫣🫢🤪

I bought my S1 with Vlog for 1100€ a year ago. A fantastic but slightly heavy camera. Best value I think.

Yeah, knocking it down it 8bit to record longer than 30min is not really an option for the work I do. Haven't used an 8 bit camera professionally for at least 5 years. Personally don't have an issue with it most of the time but my clients expect 10bit across the board, not just for some shots. Is the 30 minute 10bit limit due to overheating or just a cripple hammer move by Panasonic? Don't worry, YouTube 'Influencers' are the last people I listen to! Most of them don't even seem to shoot anything more than their own Youtube videos.

Thinking about this more...... Regardless of price, the FX30 gives many video shooters features that they need. My circumstances require an ALL-I codec, Timecode support, professional audio and most importantly.......when filming interviews, I need to be able to record for longer than 30 minutes. The S5 doesn't give me any features I need so regardless of price, it just doesn't cut it. No one 'needs' full frame. If you need stills in the same camera...then the S5 is an obvious choice.

As it's not really a hybrid camera, there are less compromises made in video mode on the FX30. If I am comparing the FX30 to the S5, then here in Australia they are the same price. FX30 has an All-I Codec, No 30min record limit in 10bit, professional audio, Timecode support, MUCH better AF if you're into it. Sony's ecosystem is huge and third party manufacturers are making lenses with electronic support for e mount in droves. Also, I can use the FX30 as a B or C Camera to the FX3, FX6, and FX9 which are all 'industry standards' so to speak here in Australia for shooting broadcast content. Post houses deal with SLOG3 all the time and familiarity with colour workflow trumps any debatable image quality advantage the S5 has that you mention. Sure, the S5 is full frame which is the only real 'advantage' for video. 'Full frame' is not the be all and end all but if I want, I have a Metabones speed booster I can attach to the FX30 which makes it Full Frame. We also sometimes use the Alexa Mini and MiniLF. We chose them on a project to project basis and we don't always choose the LF by default just because it has the bigger sensor. Ultimately, If you need one camera to do it all, sure the S5 is a fine choice. I'm not here to create a spec argument and not sure why you wouldn't stay calm if you are happy with your choice but to say one camera is better than the other in general terms is incorrect I feel. Sure, the S5 is a better hybrid camera.

If I had to make a choice right now about what system to go all in on it'd be Sony. But I wouldn't be happy about it. Like @MrSMWit's not that I hate Sony, it's just I'm not inspired by them. I don't ENJOY using their cameras and I've never been a big fan of the images they produce. It's not that they're bad, it's just... They're Sony. The FX30 is nothing special, but the price? It's hard to beat. It'd be very easy to buy 2 or 3 of them for my work and be done with it. And the system's long term health is guaranteed. I'm thankful though that I'm not in a position where I need to make that choice, and can further see what everyone else does in the next year or two before deciding what direction I go in. I'm probably putting too much faith in Panasonic, but I do think they'll announce something big next year. I think they have to, their long term viability I think depends on it.