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R8 has the hybrid hotshoe. Expensive RF lens like the RF 100-400, 600 11, 800 11, 24-105 7.1, 24-240, 16, 24, 35, 50, 85 STM, 24-50, 15-30…. I don’t think people buying an entry level R body will buy 28-70 2.0 or 50 1.2 Yes canon should have included IBIS, a bigger battery, a bigger body and call it R6 II….. boy it cost 1000$ (40%) less it cannot be the same. The Sony a7c cost 300$ more has no dual card neither, max 10fps vs 40, 4k 30 max and with a 1.2 crop at 30, 8bit only, half the res touch screen…. people should get real…

I do think what's interesting is that video is finally starting to become equally if not more important than stills for the general public. surely the influence of YouTube, social networks etc. Everybody wants to get into it, do slomo, grade their footage. This has the beneficiary effect of camera manufacturers putting higher video specs than previous generations inside low-mid tier bodies. Its a real change in policy for companies like Canon & Sony that used to really cripple hard on video specs to protect cine lines. I still think FF4K60p in 10-bit with Clog3 is quite a nice surprise in an entry-level FF mirrorless. Yeah its no big deal for all those of us with R5's, A7SIII's, S1Hs etc but think of the little guys 😉

I guess I just look at it the other way, I don't consider the crop sensor to be a compromise at all and I use it with FF glass every day; in fact, I did not buy a single new lens for the R7, even my EF-S glass works with it. I actually consider it a strength since it produces identical IQ as the R5 up to 3200ISO, but with better battery life, better IBIS, and better heat handling. What I do consider a much bigger compromise is the single card slot, worse ergonomics, no IBIS, etc of the R8 just because it is a FF sensor. I do agree, no matter who this camera appeals to; consumers win in the end with more choice.

The A7c is like 3 years old. We're setting the bar awful low if "it's a better value than a 3 year old camera" is all it takes to praise Canon. It seems like any time they don't release a complete lemon people feel the need to praise them like you'd praise a dog for going to the bathroom outside while potty training them. (sorry, I'm currently potty training a pup!)

Yes, softer image = more filmic somehow.

Neither back-illuminated nor stacked,

AFAIK, it's a Canon designed and manufactured sensor. According to the info here - https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-R6-Mark-II.aspx - it's front-side illuminated and non-stacked, so relatively 'old tech' in design terms.

Now the prompt is ridiculous: "Explain dynamic range to a 4-year-old, adding in facts about American History." Hi kids! Do you know what a camera is? It's a tool that helps us take pictures and capture memories. But have you heard of "dynamic range"? Well, let me tell you all about it while we learn about American history! Back in the days of the American Civil War, photographers had a hard time taking clear pictures because the cameras of that time couldn't capture all the details in the bright sunlight and dark shadows. But, over time, cameras got better and better, and dynamic range became a big part of that. Dynamic range is the amount of light that a camera can capture. Just like how the American colonists fought for their independence and the right to control their own lives, a camera with a high dynamic range can capture both the bright parts and the dark parts of a scene, so it has control over all the details in the picture. Think of it like the American Dream - the bigger the opportunity, the more you can achieve. Similarly, a camera with a high dynamic range can fit in more light and capture more details in a picture, just like how Americans have the opportunity to chase their dreams and achieve their goals. So the next time you take a picture, remember the spirit of American history and look for a camera with a high dynamic range, so you can capture all the details and make your own memories, just like our forefathers did!

Explaining dynamic range to a 4-year-old is apparently possible thanks to ChatGPT: Hey kids! Do you know what a camera is? It's a tool that helps us take pictures and capture memories. But do you know what "dynamic range" means in a camera? Well, let me explain it to you in a fun way! Imagine you're playing outside on a sunny day. You see a big, beautiful tree that you want to take a picture of. But when you look through the camera, you see that the tree is too bright and you can't see the details of the leaves and branches. That's because the sun is too strong and it's hard for the camera to capture all the details in the bright light and the dark shadows. This is where dynamic range comes in! Dynamic range is the amount of light that a camera can capture. A camera with a high dynamic range can capture both the bright parts and the dark parts of a scene, so you can see all the details. Think of it like a cookie jar with a big opening. The bigger the opening, the more cookies you can fit in the jar! Similarly, a camera with a high dynamic range can fit in more light and capture more details in a picture. So the next time you take a picture, remember to look for a camera with a high dynamic range so you can take pictures that show all the details, even in bright sunlight!

In the short to medium term there will be plenty of opportunities for people to have careers as editors of the Ai output. None of the code that I've experimented with it generating has actually worked (or even compiled) without me finessing it and anything creative I've prompted it to do has shown a propensity to frequently - and wildly - overestimate the number of limbs/fingers humans have and the extent of their range of articulation. It has also had a bizarre and somewhat disturbing penchant for creating faces in scenes of crowds where one of them has more than a passing resemblance to the former leader of the National Socialist party.

Seconding especially your first sentence, second one too.:) @FHDcrew

Yes but the R6 image vs 1DX3 there is no comparison. 1D X Mark III just stomps all over it. Especially with the internal 5.5K RAW. Do we actually know if the R6 II and R8 are the same image quality wise just because they have a similar sensor? There's a lot more to it than that. It's not one of Canon's flagship sensors. That would be R3 and R5 sensors. The R6 II sensor is a mid-range chip, and only just catching up with the Sony A7 III sensor from 2018!

Sales make no difference to your use of the camera, unless in the case of the NX it gets discontinued of course, but that's rare. You shouldn't concern yourself with what other people are buying in large numbers! Just pick what's right for you. Actually it is an advantage to choose something different to the masses as you then have a tool and image that stands out. NX1 still stands up well today but Samsung had bigger fish to fry with their smartphone cameras. They felt the mirrorless camera market just wasn't big enough, taken as a whole, not enough growth potential compared to smartphones. I have to say they were right. It is a bit like Exxonmobil deciding to quit gasoline and going into olive oil instead. It isn't at all though is it. It doesn't have IBIS. It has pound shop ergonomics. It probably won't even let you shoot video in the PSAM modes like R6. It has a tiny battery and silly single card slot you can't get at when it's rigged up or on a tripod! The EVF is probably the size of a pinhead and the codec bitrates are probably crippled with mud. Add to that the not inconsiderable price difference between £1699 + £1699 again for a lens, and compare that to a beautiful vintage Contax Zeiss on a second hand Panasonic S1 for £1000, and you must really have to prioritise autofocus over literally everything else artistic to get an R8 instead! EF is on the way out now, it's been a good run. I can use my Sigma E-mount lenses on both Sony and Nikon cameras. Sony A1 and Nikon Z9 way to go for me. Absolutely zero appeal in the R8 even as a curiosity or a second (20th?) body. Whereas X-H2 gives me 8K ProRes!

The Fp has absolutely no competition when it comes to size and the ergonomics are well thought out. Build quality is very solid. It feels and looks like a professional tool. Can you really say the back of the R8 looks anything like a near $2000 tool in 2023? Looks like the controls you'd find on a $200 compact. 4K/60p 15ms rolling shutter with good AF does not a great film make. It will not make you into Spielberg. Taken as an all-round package it just isn't very exciting as, say the X-H2 is. The X-H2 is a proper pro and enthusiast camera with cutting edge specs. This is an upgrade for all those Instagram click weasels still holding onto the their entry level DSLRs.

Sales have never really been a very good indicator of quality. When GH2 was out everyone was buying a DSLR or 70D for video instead. Fact is RF lenses are very shit indeed. Massively overpriced, massive, huge, enormous, and build quality varies from office inkjet cartridge to office photocopier machine if you're lucky. Give me Sigma L-mount or E-mount lenses over RF any day!

I could never dumb myself down to an Rp style body again, especially not for $1700 when stuff like X-H2 or S5 II exists. The ergonomics are like a compact camera from 20 years ago. The devil is in the detail when it comes to what they have taken out. Like aperture priority mode in video mode and stuff like that. Look at how much Panasonic are packing into the S5 II by comparison. Would much rather fish for a lightly used "as-new" S5 II on eBay for same price as a new R8!

Wow the R8 has the same sensor and specs as the R6II including FF uncropped 4K60p in 10-bit Clog3 as well as DPAF2 with subject detect only. It even keeps the handy photo/stills switch. Only thing missing is IBIS. But for a whopping $1K less. That's quite a deal if you can forego IBIS or maybe need a B-cam for your Canon setup. Oh yeah and recording time is supposed to be 2 hours instead of unlimited which is imo a pretty ok compromise. Let's find out about overheating..

Beautiful cinematography and use of light! This camera keeps on delivering!

This! I can't stand this trend. It seems to me this was born of laziness and now is actually expected. Like shooting separate B-roll doesn't even occur to people anymore, since whichever Sony ZV-whatever introduced "product showcase" mode. Now people think holding something up in front of your face at F1.4 is the way it's done, and any camera that doesn't enable this is trash.

Its quite logical really, most Youtubers shoot solo so they value things like face/eye AF. Whereas Hollywood uses manual glass and DPs have dedicated focus pullers. AF is not at all necessary. What's "manual autofocus" by the way?

I had similar thoughts. However, I was most surprised by the AF that looked surprisingly similar given the AF upgrade on the S5ii. Clearly, you'd trust it more in a Youtube situation. However, after watching Blooms' Sony video on "manual autofocus", I decided that manual AF is the way to go, even in 2023 for a lot of content. You end up putting way too much trust in the technology and fiddling around with settings when you could simply do another take if you know you missed it. It would seem there's an unhealthy paranoia around focus in general. Talk to a YouTuber and they'd say it's the most important point on a camera with seemingly higher standards than Hollywood... for YouTube. It's a strange world we live in. Concerning the DR Boost, I was also surprised he didn't use it. He should have because all the frame rates that the S5ii is capable of, the GH6 CAN use DR Boost. Also, that crop for 60fps is only mildly bigger that the GH6 60fps 4K. The IBIS on the S5ii looks good on the wide end, but would seriously doubt the long end looking better than the GH6. Also, they was only 1 shot.

When I see the prices of how "high" a F35 still sells for on eBay, when they do rarely pop up, vs an OG ALEXA Classic (which keeps on sliding down in price, cheaper and cheaper), then I'd say the choice is very obvious: get the Alexa!