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I have had the Z8 since late May and have not experienced any heat-related warnings or other signs of overheating. I live in Finland so our weather is not like Florida but we've had 28 C days. When shooting video, I have used mostly Prores 422 HQ in 4K/25, 4K/50 or 1080p/50 but also tested 4K/120 h.265 and they all worked fine in and out of doors. The most I shot on a day was about 200 GB of video onto CFexpress type B (325 GB ProGrade Digital Cobalt). I've also used Sony 128 GB CFexpress and those didn't overheat in the time required to fill up the card in 4K/25 Prores 422 HQ but the card was very warm to the touch afterwards. Tests published on youtube by Ricci Chera (who works for Nikon School UK, so keep that in mind), Gerald Undone and others generally found that the Z8 can overheat in the most data-intensive video modes in about 30 min if using memory cards that tend to run hot, but using the right cards (Delkin Black is reported to run the coolest, Prograde Digital Cobalt is also good), the camera typically runs out of battery (2 hours on one charge of the EN-EL15c) before overheating, according to those reports. Both Delkin Black and Prograde Cobalt cards are sometimes significantly discounted at B&H, so if getting a Z8, one may want to look out for those deals. My own experience confirms that the Prograde Cobalt seems to run less hot than the Sony and I'm happy with the purchase although these cards aren't exactly cheap. For longer recording times I would likely go with Delkin Power as those are available in larger capacities. I love the Prores 422 HQ; such amazing detail and color. I have no experience shooting 8K.

1- the rate of decline in engagement in all of the photo/video forums and websites is depressing. Even comment sections are mini ghost towns compared to same place ten years ago. Maybe social media is stealing a lot of that free time usually spent on traditional web in the past. 2- many of those people who could write informative blog posts are now like "why bother writting any more when no one reads any more?". Today they're making videos, and try hard to make it 10 min long, which means they have to add a lot of water to the milk. 3- I don't see any other industry with so much negativity about the major brands of that industry. Telling people they don't need and shouldn't buy new released products is a norm in our corner of internet fora! There is hype moments before and after press release days, but overall discouragement is way bigger. But look at car enthusiasts or audiophiles online communities...They're constantly encourage each other to buy more! 4- lack of communication between experienced users and newcomers is hurting everyone, and sometimes it's sad. Many people who are upgrading from smartphone, are making mistakes related to misunderstandings that discussed and explained and solved seven years ago. They just don't know where to find the knowledge. 5- a tendency to reduce everything to "matter of taste" has emerged to the point that the whole concept of critique apears as moot point, like there is no wrong way and right way of doing things! Maybe its overthinking. I don't know.. just wanted to share my thoughts.

You are right that is far from a scientific test, especially when they do not publish the AF settings that they are using. Btw the use case of people facing away is something that improved a lot with the latest firmware the video was made before the new fw. The stabilization test is a wired one either you mount both cameras on the same bracket or is not really scientific.... is even a different framing..... As I said multiple times the Z9 seems a really good camera, so it make sense to learn and test both cameras before investing.

Of course testing a camera for yourself is always the ideal thing but it ain't that easy when it comes to the R5C. It's just not the most available camera. Kind of a niche product like the 1DC, but I will certainly try to hunt one down when I get back to Paris.. Not a lot of comp tests either on YT but I did find this R5C vs Z9: Canon R5C vs Nikon Z9 Hands On Camera Comparison The stab tests are interesting since they're using longer 100mm lenses. Clear advantage to Z9. In other areas such as DR I was surprised to see the R5C had the edge, and the Z9 had it for AF. Although not the most scientific tests that video has got me curious about the Z8/Z9 again so I will definitely spend more time on the Nikon before I commit to either R5/R5C!

Plus no personal bias and doesn't judge you based on your choices 😉

Good to hear that there are still people willing to go very in-depth in such nerdy topics. Yesterday, I tried asking ChatGPT about the notion of equivalencies, a hot topic on forums. It failed miserably. I asked for a MFT equivalent of shooting my grandmother's 1936 Rolliecord. I know the "rough" answer, but ChatGPT kept making mathematical mistakes. I have to say I'm super impressed with it though. As an English teacher, it's a tremendous tool. For filmmakers, it's great too. My point with my post was to say that Forums could get eaten up by such services if the forum is mainly used for "help in learning". AI seems to be better, faster, and have fewer barriers to getting decent responses. Also, I've only been using the free version. The paid version is better, I'm sure.

You me and quite a few others…but a completely different topic methinks! 😉

I'd be happy to talk about these things. In terms of ChatGPT, it is predictive-text on steroids with no understanding of reality or logic or anything else other than parroting the internet back to us, therefore it is probably a better bet than most online replies!

I would have thought that a hobbyist is as likely to shoot long takes in hot conditions as anyone else. Pros would do it because they're covering an event, and hobbyists would do it because they haven't yet heard of "shooting for the edit" and so tend to just wave it around indefinitely, potentially with a stream-of-consciousness narration to go along with it. One of the users who is most likely to want a nice camera with reliable AF is that person that insists on filming everything all the time. I'm sure we remember these people from the handy-cam days, and human behaviour hasn't changed, and neither has the fact that they're filming the kids swimming in the pool, the family on the beach in Greece, the tour on the boat through the islands of Ha Long Bay, the summer BBQ birthday party, etc etc.

This phone has active cooling fan. Thickness and bulk is no longer an issue. Yea, not using this tech looks intentional.

180 Mbs HEVC, 5.3K 60p, 10bit color, wide gamut, but all transformed to 8bit REC709. This was mainly a test of some guy's LUT to see the colors. Do you SEE mush? Does this LOOK bit-starved, even though it has gone through YouTube compression (another high efficiency codec) at a much lower bitrate? And, the video was cropped in camera to reduce fisheye distortion. I think there are people who are not up to date on what modern codecs/processors can do, perhaps because they have not used any newer cameras they comment on. They rest on their decades-old film school habits. Now they just read or, in some cases, misread selective specs (bitrates). Yes, bitrate matters, but so does the codec. Which is not news to just about anyone, just about anyone. I have shot the highest bitrate real RAW video, and I find it hard to distinguish the quality from much, much lower bitrate H265 video, recorded in the latest cameras, at least in terms of resolution (lack of mush). Codecs, codecs, codecs. And processors that can execute them, all advanced enormously in the last few years. Everyone needs to keep up. And, no, the Hero11 video quality is not as good as the latest ARRI. But it's not chopped liver either.

Was the answer to all of these, “Let’s get undone”?

Which is partly why I use a pair of them plus an S1H!

The thing is, is it really unlikely that an enthusiast or amateur ISN'T going to experience overheating if a camera can't even get 20 minutes at 24p (and presumably, 30p)? Ultimately he consumer, whether it's a professional or an enthusiast, shouldn't have to worry at all that their brand new camera might shut down because a company refused to spend a little extra putting a fan in the body to prevent it from overheating. We should be expecting more from these companies, not less. That's the other thing. We can say the difference is the size of the sensor or the resolution, but Panasonic figured out how to get unlimited 4K recording nearly a decade ago. I've never, ever experienced overheating dating back to my GH3 days. Two weeks ago I was outside in 90+ degree weather with high humidity with my three Lumix S5s and the idea of them overheating didn't even cross my mind. They recorded two 90+ minute takes, with only a brief 10 minute intermission in between the first and second half of the event.

S5 II have internal fan and is one of the cheapest FF video cameras - and Panasonic have the best heat management, the GX9 that I had never even get warmer recording 4k (probably best chipset design).

No less you two when you don't personally attack each other... ...and there's room for this superior fresh irony which is unbeatable, really, when happens BTW, great one, kye! Had a good laugh here! LOL Join those like me then... who follow @markr041's videos from the most recent camera releases, who else among us lately? - EAG :- ) PS: This forum is one of the surviving places on web today, so let's give it the due credit and take care of each other, we'd all lose it without each one of us...

Some stills from a feature film I just wrapped on yesterday. This is just with a lut applied no further adjustments or corrections.

Another potential contender for all round compact lens for the OG Pocket is this Lumix G X Vario PZ 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6. It has two levers (one for zoom and one for focus) but in terms of smoothness I think the focus works better than the zoom but its still easy to overshoot. Like a manual version of DFD really. The OIS is reasonable and is obviously a big advantage with the OG Pocket. I only got this lens under sufferance to check remote zoom functionality for my controllers as it is a powered zoom and thankfully I got it really cheap because after using it in semi-anger for the first time a few days ago I am not particularly fond of it at all. In use, I found it tricky to get focus with but the combination of it having lowish contrast so not firing the less than ideal focus peaking of the OG Pocket and monitoring on the the less than ideal OG Pocket screen and the failing eyesight of the less than ideal OG Me might well explain that so I'll have to give it another go under different circumstances. Anyway, here are some rough, soft, low res grabs from the ProRes 422 video file and I suppose I could maybe recommend this combo if you are after less a Super 16 and more a Super 8 feel 🙂

Some frames from the Panasonic 12-32mm F3.5-5.6 on the OG BMPCC. This lens is a good size appropriate option for the OG BMPCC as a general all rounder and has the additional benefit of IS. It is pretty slow though but this has the advantage of you not really needing ND when you are in what passes for broad daylight in Copenhagen. The big downside is that there is no manual focus so you have to rely on the one shot AF on the camera to pre-focus. Again, though, the small aperture is an advantage here as you generally have enough DOF to get away with the AF getting you in the ballpark.