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Being in a similar dilemma but having actually used both R5/R5C & Z8 here are my thoughts. R5 pros: Good battery life, IBIS, AF, 8K30p, RAW cons: h26x, low DR, sub-sampled 4K60p R5C pros: 8K60p, XF-AVC, dual base ISO, Cine line features (LUT support, assist tools etc), active cooling. R5C cons: poor battery life (better in latest firmware but still not great), no IBIS Z8 pros: 8K60p, compressed RAW, ProRes, stacked sensor, lockable IBIS. 2X zoom/crop modes. Z8 cons: aside from some AF issues nothing major! Right now as far as specs, the Z8 is in my opinion the clear winner. Side by side, the IQ on the Nikon is substantially cleaner (less noise) and has superior DR. With ProRes, IBIS and a fast stacked sensor its just a really powerful all-rounder. My only gripe with it is the AF isn't as sticky than Canons and with portrait stills it often misses the eye if you shoot wide open with fast glass. Color wise, Nikon is more neutral and less contrasty. This is good if you like to grade/paint. Canon is better if you want SOOC results and the skin tones are the best in the game. C-log is more filmic than other logs including N-log but C-log3 on the R5/R5C has less DR than N-log. Lens/system wise is where things get specific and personal. Different rendering & price points with native lenses. But where Z-mount wins is that you can adapt pretty much any glass to it, including EF. RF is a lot more closed so if you wanna adapt, Nikon is the way to go. RF has some fantastic unique lenses but they are so expensive! FWIW I've been shooting Canon since the 5D mark 1. C100/C200. EOS R, R6. I'm a Canon guy. I'm seriously considering switching to Nikon after trying out the Z8. The 8K/4K IQ is simply stunning and with ProRes it cuts like butter on my intel iMac Pro. I could adapt all my current lenses: EF, E-mount, Leica M and Nikkor AI-S. And the new S line lenses are pretty great too. Either way you can't really go wrong, I got amazing results out of the R5/R5C. You just have to be more careful with exposure because of the limited DR and they aren't low-light champs either. Ergonomics and menus are also better with Canon, its a more intuitive shooting experience. And you can get away with minimum tweaking in post, slap a LUT and you're good if you're on fast turnover.

This topic thread has been with us for awhile. This movie my wife and I helped make has been around for a few years too. Still, it's the holidays, and this is a "1930's" Christmas film. So, if you're interested in that sort of thing, take a peek for a half hour:

I cover a lot of ice hockey from U20 to pro league. The 100-300 2.8 is imo THE hockey lens if you don’t shoot through the holes. Here we don’t have holes in the plexiglass, we shoot through glass and/or plexi or if lucky from in-between the benches. The range is perfect to cover the full field with a 45mpix camera. I started shooting ice hockey with 1Dx + 70-200 2.8, then added another 1Dx + 200-400 F4 and now 1 body only R5 + 100-300 2.8. I always handhold as in hockey there are so many interruptions that I have no problem handholding for the whole match. Interesting fact is that a R5 + 100-300 is only 400 grams heavier than 1Dx III + 70-200 III. Here a couple of Saturday game: Some more examples of the 100-300

Which is not a mirrorless hybrid so not even in the conversation. The Z9 is a MUCH better platform for those lens selections and the OP’s list of requirements and needs. Personally speaking, if only considering my own needs and if I was looking at a 2 body set up and only a 2 body set up and Nikon, hands down the Z9. But as someone who has settled on a 3 body approach (if I do go fully Nikon), based on my needs and lens choices, just a single Z8 can be one of my workhorses as part of a triumvirate (had to look up the spelling of that) of: Z8 40% of my stills work + 10% of my video needs Z6iii (assuming one appears before end of March ‘24) 0% stills and 80% video Zf faux vintage camera, 60% stills plus 10% video If I did my sums correctly, the above accounts for 100% of my stills work and 100% of my video. Ballpark figures but more or less correct.

Me too, but I’d do it the opposite way you would. I like autumn and winter more than spring and summer. 😉

Yeah don’t quote me on overheating, I didn’t push the Z8 by any means so yeah that’s a real valid concern. But the fact it has 2 USB-C ports, one for power and one for data is pretty dope, and if using a powerbank extends battery life and circumvents overheating then that’s killing two birds with one stone. Z9 is of course the better choice when it comes to battery life and overheating plus it’s lighter than Z8+battery grip. It’s definitely a solid alternative for a pro shooter, and for all I know I may go that route. I’m just afraid of the weight. Z8 is already up there but you can rig it up or strip it down. I guess I’ll have to try a Z9 next but I’m close to pulling trigger on Z8.

I believe with Delkin BLACK (the best performing card and the coolest temp) the almost got 30min before shutting down. With external power, no issues with any cards. If really interested, just rent one and push it and see.

Here's one co-produced and released a few years ago:

Yes, the Z9 doesn't overheat. The Z8 will, at times, unless on external power. It's just the physics of a smaller body, really. Also, the Z8 eats through batteries a lot more. I've been using large bodies like the Canon 1D(s/x) series for decades and prefer them over smaller bodies because they balance better with long lenses, battery life is better due to larger batteries, and the ergonomics feel better in vertical mode (the vertical grips of smaller bodies never seem to quite get the button layout right for some reason). Of course this is individual preference, but the heating is not. For some and their work and workflows, the Z8 battery life may very well be just fine.

Yeah @kye what else to say? I believe GoPro is already praying literally for next September! : D Fortunately they still have 9 months ahead! : P Room to improve it from a larger sensor size, I guess or they will be out of the game very easily...

My heart is with Insta360 Ace Pro now though... ;- )

It sounds like a very "business" decision to me. That's the intellectual property of <holding company name> so <no-one else can have it / no-one can have it for free / we don't want to risk being sued during the transfer process / etc>. If this was a company permanently closing a storefront / restroom / whatever during a business reshuffle then no-one would bat an eyelid, but when there's any element of common good then people notice. Unfortunately, the idea of a sharing economy is basically incompatible with a zero-sum-game business mindset, which is where the confusion / reactions start. There's a fascinating relationship between the social contract and the legal frameworks that control how businesses deal with the public, and people often react very differently to how business people would think they do.

I accidentally skipped winter one year, with a couple of overseas trips in the northern hemisphere happening to be over the coldest part of the year. I didn't realise it until the following winter what I was like "Gee, it's getting cold/wet now... it hadn't been like this since.... hang on a second!!" If I won lotto, I'd do that every year 🙂

GoPro issued a new GP-Log LUT (November 9, 2023) along with new firmware, leading to much improved video. 2.35:1 aspect ratio from 16:9 5.3K 60P clips. Noise reduction was turned off, sharpening was set to low, and the bitrate was increased to 180 Mbps using the latest GoPro Labs firmware. The last clip, an interview with a tea farmer, was shot in a very dark room, and DaVinici Resolve noise reduction was applied to the clip. No noise reduction was applied in post to any other clip. Meitan is a major tea-producing area in China.

Just an update, it does seem from reading around that this My Menu bug affected X-T5 and users were told to limit items to only one page of My Menu instead of two. I tried this realizing that damn near everything can be accessed in the quick menu on my X-S20 instead, and after many tests it does seem to patch the issue. Some users seem to report it never occurring on their camera and others say it still occurs. Funny I didn’t recall seeing this mentioned in any of the few X-S20 or many X-T5 reviews on the internet.. My review as of one month owning and using is this: * Great image SOOC. If you hate color grading like me, this is the price I’m willing to ignore most of the downfalls * Better grip than XT3, smaller body but not too small. Lack of d-pad and only one stick for navigating that kind of sucks sometimes * Usable touch screen *Good battery life \ poor battery access depending if on a tripod (not issue for me, hardly ever use a tripod) * IBIS is usable depending on use case. I have notoriously shaky hands, and this simply works for me. I’m not trying to film myself, vlogging style, just trying to get stable handheld and it works great here. *My Menu software bug. Hopefully this gets fixed because if not, limited to no use of my menu. * Limited physical buttons on camera. However there are touch screen has swipe functions * “Q” button helps lack of physical buttons by access to almost anything via a pop up menu. Including frame rates, codecs, pet auto focus etc Not a comprehensive review but for anyone who is browsing thinking about the x-s20, these are my thoughts after 1 month.

Happy R5C/R5 owner/user/hobbyist here. I love the R5C's form factor and having the C-line video menu, along with the ridiculous amount of pro features squeezed into that dslr-styled body. I also love being able to build it out or barebones it depending on what I'm shooting. But then audio-wise the Zoom F3 allowed me to put down my bulky Zoom F4 and now I have a 2 camera run n gun setup that all fits in a Nanuk 935/Pelican 1550. And now that the battery power issue has been addressed with the R5C (I get over a couple hours easy with the grip) - and the overheating issue has been addressed with the R5, I've got two capable cams that are future proofed with 8K (yes, I have the Ninja V+ paired with the R5). Finally, the RF-EF adapter means you really don't need to go to the RF lenses. There are so many amazingly priced used EF-L lenses at your disposal. But also the VND drop-in filter is fantastic imo and never leaves my camera bodies! Coming from using C300/C100s professionally as a producer - and then owning the 5D MKII/III, 1DC as a hobbyist, I honestly feel like the R5C is my final destination cam purchase. The only thing I might do is sell the R5/Ninja V+ and pick up a second R5C body... maaaybe get a C70 when the prices get to the $2K USD range, just so I have an all-in-one C100 type cam. Either way good luck with whatever you purchase!

Preposterous! It would never work!!

Since movies are supposed to be a magical representation of our reality, there's always going to be a place for B&W. The lack of chroma makes it inherently unique and other-worldly. Because there's not as much visual data as with color, the frame focuses the viewer's attention to other aspects of the image. If you like cinema, it's really hard not to like what B&W gives you. I'm biased, I guess, because I've always been a fan of old movies and my dad let me use his darkroom when I was a kid. Developing cheap B&W film was quick and easy. Shooting a roll a day with a high-schooler's part-time-work wages was doable -- and a ton of fun.

Shot some BTS footage of a friend's short film last weekend. Some of it looks good in B&W.