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This was tonights project. Just for fun...

That's the spirit, why I am in this forum, guys! @kye@John MatthewsWill watch the Gf3 goodness later. Thumbnail looking great already. cheers

You live in a wonderful place. Another great example of not blowing out the highlights. It almost always looks better. ...not an easy task on the GF3. I just realized I've been saying I have a GF3 and I don't- it's a GF5! 🤪 I have some some quirky Lomography lenses (set of 3) made for MFT- they cost me a whopping 20 euros and they're total crap, but that's not the point. They also come with some filters! I've been sick the past few days, but you're giving me desire to get out there.

Here are a few old 2160p25 and 1080p50 SOC clips from my GX800 (which I no longer have) - https://drive.google.com/open?id=13vWtrMzGKQ5qR1l2zCr_NBVjIowFuy4V&usp=drive_fs . All hand-held, probably using the 12-32mm or 14-42mm kit lenses, standard picture profile, shutter priority (using the 'flicker reduction' setting). The train going over the road crossing (P1000474.MP4) shows the rolling shutter nicely.

I love the AF100 body. To me it's one of the coolest looking camera bodies. Gigantic eye piece iirc. I bought my F3 partially because i found the body design appealing. Internal 8bit 420 in Slog on the F3 has a lot of mojo. Hard to believe how well it grades.

In practical terms, how much difference do you think that the size / weight differences between the GX850 and GX85 makes? Genuine question. For example, is there something you find you're able to do with the smaller form-factor that can't be done with the larger one? I ask because I have the GF3, which is of a similar size to the GX850, but in many ways I see that it's too small. Panasonic has made a good attempt at the ergonomics with little grip formations, but I find it too small for my hands, and also by the time that you add any non-tiny lens then the size of the camera body no longer really contributes much to the overall size of the rig. In some ways I really wanted the GF3 to be passable in 1080p, but whenever I shoot with it the softness of the 1080p is too soft for me, and the micro-jitters also too much, so by the time you add a lens with OIS, you're better off with the GX85 IBIS and a smaller lens. I must admit that this thread has made me pick up the GF3 again. It's currently sitting with the 15mm F8 body-cap lens on it, and me in a bit of a mental loop. I want the GF3 to work - the small size seems like fun, but if I use a small aperture lens then I'm better off using my phone, and if I want shallow DoF or a vintage lens vibe then the size advantage disappears and I might as well use the GX85. But then I want to use the GF3, so I lament the fact that the sensor can shoot 12MP RAW stills, but the video is so soft, and I remember the hack that I couldn't get working for it. Then I just get disappointed about how old tech was needlessly bottlenecked. Then a day or so later, I see it and it looks like fun, and the cycle starts again! I shot some test videos on it using a number of different lenses, but I just couldn't get anything on it that wouldn't have been better using something else. Maybe the GX850 is different in some way?

Yes. 30p and 60p completely ruin the viewing experience for me - like if someone peed in my drink. It doesn't matter what else the drink had in it, I'm not drinking it with pee in it. You're not convincing anyone to like what you like, we're not convincing you to like what we like. Time to stop posting.

This may be one of two downvotes I have ever done. I hate doing it but if you think that looks fine, then this discussion should just be closed because there is literally nothing more to discuss... or are you really just trolling?

Make sure you get one that can record non-compressed up to 84958p as you wouldn't want to be tied to any outdated format. Also ensure it adds LOL to the metadata at the end of each recording.

Ah nice, I used B&H specs as the basis for my comment, I can weigh mine when I get home, but it's super tiny and super light. E shutter only, but pretty great video features and connects and is as controllable with a phone as a gopro is. Definitely a better camera for video than stills, but has some fun action cam esque features. It's a really fun camera that truly sits as a 16mp m43 camera is a gopro shell. I've really enjoyed having mine.

A big difference from the rest of the crowd, but the z cam e1 is 252 grams with battery. I've loved having the e1 in my kit. It's been brilliant for plant/crash cams and for hiding it on stage for theatrical recordings.

Make no mistake, the GX85 is superior in almost every way over the GX850, except for size and screen IMO. I shot the GX85 for almost 3 years exclusively. I often regret not having it. Also, if I had a GX85 today and I'm happy with the size and weight, there would be no real need to get a GX850. My GF3, that almost never gets any love, is slightly broken. It has some weird issue where it has bad digital banding. Amazingly, that doesn't happen in video mode. Oddly, this camera's strap system has been adapted to Panasonic's newest cameras (G9ii, S5ii, S5iix).

It is so.

Yes, when I was buying the GF3 I read some raving reviews of the GF1 - I don't remember the details now but there was some sort of button layout that was magic to use apparently, but it changed on the GF2 and subsequent models. I was torn about which to buy, but the GF1 had such a following that GF1s were more expensive to buy than the GF3, even though the kit I got included the GF3, 14-42 kit lens, 14mm f2.5, spare batteries, charger, memory card, screen protector, and a plethora of other bits and pieces. Thanks, I'll have a closer look over the holidays 🙂 Thanks 🙂 I guess I asked because there are very few people using cameras this small, and I have generally had the idea that smaller is better because it attracts less attention, but there's a point where smaller isn't better and I'm not really sure where that point is, so my thinking in this area isn't that clear. I definitely think of the GX85 as being superior to the GF3, but that is for so many reasons that I'm really not sure of which of them matter and which are just part of the package. I'd be stunned if anything being discussed here wouldn't blow the GF3 away in video terms, its a real weakness, which is a pity because I took the GF3 around the world back when I was taking photos and it captures stills that are about 50 levels higher than the video!

With a smaller size, there are some limitations. Depending on hand size and pocket size, your mileage may vary. Personally, I like not having to choose between EVF or LCD (I just put an anti-reflective screen protector to see a little better outside). A flip-up screen that moves so easily cannot be understated. Compared to a GH6, the GX850 is the antithesis with tons of limitations AND tons of decisions you DON'T have to make. Compared to a GX85, the GX800 is just a less featured, but again a few less decisions to make- throw it on a tripod and get the shot; not many usable codecs to choose from either. Put it this way, I had a GX880 (that I sold); I had the G100 (that I sold); I had a GX800 that I dropped; then, I bought another GX800. The GX800 is definitely more fiddly and it's not really designed to be an A-camera, but it works as a complementary camera, especially Lumix. Honestly, it blows away a GF3 (which I also have); in 2023, that's a crash-cam. Also, I love the look of the GX800 (even over the newer GX880).

you probably want to enable HW accel, that puts the strain on to the GPU not the CPU.

I feel you. @kye I would love my G3 to be a G6. When I still had the GF1 it was the same obsessive wish.😊 Video is on all auto though and brittle on the G3, Gf1 only offering 1080i i think. You could try a GM1 or GM5, both sporting great HD. The 24p HD on the GM5 is stellar, just as good as the G6 with nicer color science ooc. GM5 does 50p as well. Haven't tested it yet though.

+1 for some of these older cameras really having a great look to them. There are lots of threads here about the older cameras, like F3, that have continued on because the image really holds up and has a certain magic to it that is difficult to replicate with modern ultra-resolution cameras. Sadly, most people know very little about how to manipulate the image in post so have to "buy" the image they want from the camera. Older cameras are a way to get a more cinematic look without knowing how to push and pull the image significantly in post.

For nerds they are gems. This is a forum providing plenty space for nerdom.:) Put the mft Voigtlaender 17mm on the AF100 and it sings.

nano flash may be a good fit for af100, because both are small. yeh, established dp only talk about latest cameras. as you mentioned, there are hidden gems in the old cams.

If so, you are right.

Not at all, that's why I suggested that if you think the one version looks better than the 24p version, then there's nothing more to discuss. Then I asked OR are you trolling. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I am entitled to react towards it how I want. And again, if you believe the 24p version looks worse, then there is no reason to continue this discussion.

Why would you think I’m trolling? I watched the video and it did look better to me. So that’s your definition of trolling? When someone’s subjective opinion on what looks better to them differs from what looks best to you?

But does it look better?

*"disappeared" or "were gone"- I make too many stupid mistakes when I write because I don't read it again (until it's too late). I should send all my comments through ChatGPT before. "Correct my English: "*". That's what I do when I write in French now- works like a charm.

Getting hold of a BM Shuttle on loan from someone would be the way forward as it does both uncompressed and ProRes so you could evaluate the difference between the two formats and whether any gain would be worth the disk space and hassle over something like say a used ProRes only option such as a Ninja Star. If you go for the BM Shuttle then there were cages available for it at the time but questionable whether you could find one now ten years on. https://www.newsshooter.com/2013/07/22/review-geardear-cage-for-the-blackmagic-design-hyperdeck-shuttle/

Talking about the AF100 is fun though. @webrunner5 still has one. But he might get worried about the latest hot trend of interactions on our beloved forum, whereas interaction would be a bit of an euphemistic term.:) Nanoflash on the F3 has brought 8bit 150mbps to the table but no real world benefit over internal regarding several accounts. At least AF100 and external recording with nano flash was tested and approved by the makers of The Raid and I don't have my own experience to question their decision over internal AVCHD. Would love to rewatch it on Bluray.

Use your nano flash. It was used on one of the best martial arts films of the last decade. AF100 at its best. AF 100 spits out 8bit 422 only afaik, AF100A supposely 9bit. CineD would already be tuned to sensors max dynamic range. That camera has mojo for sure. Friend of mine is doing some magical stuff with it. That coming from a nerds perspective of course. Established camera pros in the narrative field don't talk this kinda talk, as they don't have time or interest in debating 8bit niche cameras of the past. But I always love to. Internal Cinealta F3 might smoke external AF100 though in tech specs and quality but AF certainly has its own mojo beyond that.

Since computers transitioned to SSDs, the memory swapping mechanisms (where they put a chunk of memory onto the drive and load another one into RAM when needed) have become very useful and quite high performance. If FCPX is running out of RAM, I wonder if your SSD is running out of swap space somehow. I'm not exactly sure how you'd check these things, but that's worth looking into. A few suggestions.. if your SSD is close to being full, try clearing some extra space and seeing if that helps performance. I'd suggest reviewing FCPX settings to see if there's a setting that limits how much swap space it is allowed to use. Do a google on FCPX RAM usage - I just did a search and there's lots of threads of people talking about it, so there might be good tips in there that might help. Also, some folks report that having files (like source media, proxies, etc) on an external drive rather than the internal drive can improve performance too. I'm not sure of your current setup but that's something to check. Good test, but it might not be enough. With all these companies building in AI to their software now I suspect that RAM requirements might gradually balloon over the next years as they integrate this stuff. This is likely to be the same with CPU/GPU as well. Resolve has quietly introduced a number of AI functions for things like NR and frame interpolation and audio processing etc, and I can tell you these things absolutely KILL your computer. I'm talking where you have it on "Faster" and you can do 24fps, on "Better" and it can do 20fps, and then "Enhanced" (which is the AI one) and it can only manage a frame every few seconds, and will crash 8 times out of 10 trying to export the project. If you can, I suggest giving yourself some head room in the specs, especially as you can't upgrade them later!

Probably… Back in the day, rangefinders for film photography were the thing. To some they still are, but perhaps these days in a digital format such as the Leica M8/9/10/11, Q2/3 and the rangefinderesque Fuji X Pro-1/2/3 and X100 line. In recent years, they have become video capable, often to the same level as their mirrorless ‘SLR’ style siblings, but are they the best tool for the job? Probably not but will either work in a pinch or can be made to work… I’ve had a string of the Fuji X cameras from the Pro1 to the Pro2 and all of the X100 cameras except the the V, ie, all of them except their most recent incarnations which are the most video capable. I personally would not choose any of them for video work regardless of capability because unless rigged out, they don’t work very well ergonomically for video compared with their siblings, ie, I’d take an XH2 over an X100V as a video tool every time. For stills though, either with a built in pancake or interchangeable compact lens system such as the X Pro line or the Nikon Zf, they are nice to use. For stills, in my career, the two cameras I have enjoyed the most have been the X Pro1 and X Pro2, the second version fixing the somewhat tardy AF issues of the first version. I never went to the 3 because though I would have welcomed a tilt screen, the one they went for was not for me. So the Zf is a return to that style of shooting (stills) for me and with a fixed lens approach as another…and perhaps my favourite ever stills camera, was the original X100. The 35mm focal length was/is pretty good, but 40 is better still. 12mp back in the day was OK, but 24/25 is far better. And it has excellent AF and all round operating speed including start up from cold. And then there is fantastic class leading IBIS and almost the same level of video capability as my S5ii. Almost because it doesn’t allow for 6k shooting though technically could. But would it make a decent or even good video camera? Actually yes, for my needs at least and this is something I will be exploring in 2024. In standard format, it’s ergonomically shit for holding out in front of you style video, but the Smallrig grip improves things considerably. I don’t think it’s the kind of body to be using bigger zooms or longer lenses on, but I will be interested to see how it handles with my (adapted) Tamron 70-180mm when it turns up, but again, more from a stills perspective. But as a pure video camera? Probably not. For one thing, it doesn’t really offer anything you’d want to shoot externally so whilst you could add a cage, handle, monitor etc, why would you? That would possibly be a case of forcing a tool to work better for you than it otherwise might, but more suited tools exist in the first place. But compared with the Z6ii, it’s moved the game on in the AF and IBIS department so it sits between it and the Z8. Kind of. At least capability-wise, though not ergonomically. I’m looking forward to using mine more. I never saw it coming but when it was announced ‘out of the blue’, knew instantly it would be a good fit for me. There’s quite a bit of hype, both positive and negative, around it right now, but that kind of thing doesn’t influence me, - it either works for me or does not and for me, it’s the 2023/2024 version of the Fuji X100 I always wanted. Criticisms so far… Only one and that is I would rather it had a tilt screen than a flip out but understand why they probably went this route, - to try and please 2 markets. Market 1 being the casual video shooter/content creator and Market 2 being ‘The Photographer’ who can turn and close the screen and use the viewfinder only and never use the video function. It’s not for everyone, but it is for me. Which topic is this again? Z8 I think… 🤔😉 Still sitting on my fence over that one… It depends on if Nikon pop out a Z6iii any time soon and how that 70-180 works on my Smallrig gripped Zf, but otherwise leaning back towards the Z9 for the following reasons in no specific order: A. It’s arguably more ‘pro’. B. It’s undeniably ergonomically better and a better larger lens platform. C. Better cooling. D. Longer battery life. E. Twin CF Express card slots. The negative is it costs more than the Z8, is heavier and less discrete, but these compromises do not outweigh the sum total of A-E for me.