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I really don't get the hype about phone cameras for cinema. No matter how you slice it, they are really expensive hard to use cameras for what they do. Like Kye broke down, the iPhone 15 can do an okay image at a basically fixed focal length and depth of field in bright light. Even with that, the image looks over sharp, and just weird in many cases. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the latest phone camera tech for personal use. The ability to pull my phone out of my pocket and get great photos and videos of my kids whenever I want is really nice. For that purpose, the quality looks great. But when it comes to shooting anything more serious, I could think of half a dozen cameras that are way cheaper, and would land you with much better looking, easier to capture, and more reliable results than a phone camera would. With an iPhone, how do you do a heavy handheld look? What do you do when the battery dies? How about overheating? Lowlight? Shallow depth of field? ND filters? Timecode? Audio? The list goes on and on... It's basically the wrong tool for the job. It's like the latest hatchback advertising how much lumber you can stuff in the trunk for your latest construction project. It's great if you need it every once and a while, but if you do construction seriously, any old cheap pickup truck from the 1980s will do a much much better/easier job.

With an aftermarket fan, it could even not be a problem. With my X-S20 tests with a Ulanzi fan, it doubled the record time, under direct sun - looks like the generic Aliexpress ones works as good as this one.

Chivo is a monster, the 0:20 take with the horizon being a breaking wave was beautiful. Bit I follow the guy on Instagram, he could make a great shot from a Galaxy S3.

This thread illustrates just how quickly life moves on. Anyone remember Jim’s attempt at fusing the camera and the phone? He is now back producing sunglasses (no rose tinted ones for those of us who naively bought into the Hydrogen hyperbole however).

If you shoot a test shot of the X-Rite then you should be able to just pull it into Resolve and have a bunch of guesses on CST settings and just watch the vector scope and waveform to see which are closest. Just remember to shoot the chart with high CRI lights and expose it well. I don't know the exact theoretical way to shoot them, but I shoot my chart by just exposing normally and it comes out fine in the charts with the right CST. Even if you only find a combination that is close, it's like I said before "if it looks good, it is good" and unless you're doing scientific work or commercial shoots then the colours don't have to be exact, and if you're doing narrative work then the colours are best when being true to the emotion of the scene, rather than the specific objects that were filmed in the scene.

My P2K and M2K are both ready to shoot!

The word in the OG FB groups is Kingston SD cards work, with a number of accounts suggesting the file format used matters (the Mac one is better apparently - I think they mean ExFat) and some people suggest the green ones aren't so good and to get the blue or red ones. I can't confirm though.

It just seems that i don't wanna take a chance on the port nor rig the beauty up. I really enyoyed the restrictions and freedoms of using it barebones as I wrote above. I got two 64GB cards plus a 32one, all three working well but none for 50p raw 3:1. Read on this forum about more recent cards working without troubles iirc. Maybe we could do a og p2k or m2k cinema verité parade, you, @kye , @mercer , me and anyone else.

Its like everything else in that its breakable depending on circumstances. I've broken far tougher cameras than the Pocket, including multiple Nikon D4 and D3 bodies which were built for very heavy duty wear and tear but not for bouncing off concrete. So it happens and all you can do is mitigate it. The clamp is the obvious step but also the cable in that if you use a right angled one then you can reduce the outside span of cable that it can then get snagged on. Another mitigation is to use a right angle adapter and plug the monitor cable into that so if something happens then you are likely to damage the end that goes to the monitor instead of the camera port and can then replace the adapter. Its interesting that people wring their hands about the camera port yet the input port on something like the Ninja V is equally vulnerable irrespective of it being full size HDMI. SDI is the answer but I can assure you that they can get sheared off as well in the wrong circumstances. At this particular moment, though, I'd be far more concerned about trying to get hold of media to use in the OG Pocket than its HDMI port.

For all the same reasons that @MrSMW outlined in his post above, it would have to be radically different. And for the same reasons listed in your post, it isn’t so it hasn’t. When you combine the both then it’s arguable it never will for me personally but that doesn’t mean it won’t for millions of other people. As I said in the post, it is clearly a leap forward against other iPhones but not a great a leap forward within cameras as a whole to make me think this is the way for me. There is a scene in Peep Show - and I’ve used this analogy before about phone cameras - but it still sums up my perspective about them… Jeremy is on a date in a restaurant and tastes some expensive wine and says : “Wow, this wine tastes amazing. I mean, obviously it's not really delicious like hot chocolate or coke, but for wine... brilliant." None of that stops me being interested in other people’s uses with them though. I’m trying to see through the hype about the 15 Pro Max to learn about how many people are actually now using them in a serious enough manner to be interested in a product that I may or may not have developed for it 😉

Not me. I use my phone all the time as my principal ‘EDC’ as they say, for photo and video, but NOT for anything serious. For me there are 3 principal reasons why not. 1. The form factor. Something phone shaped that slips in and out of your back pocket is in no way ergonomically good to use as a serious tool. 2. I don’t much care for the image. Yes it’s getting better with every iteration and movies have been filmed on the things…but it’s still not quite there yet for me. 3. The tools can be part of the joy and not simply part of the process. I get zero joy from using my phone for photo or video. In that regard, it’s simply a/the most convenient option. 4. Bonus ball. For any serious paid work, if you turned up for a gig and said, “nah mate, I didn’t rent the Arri or any of those cine lenses, because I have this”, and whips out with a flourish, the latest iPhone.

I'm also curious to hear from @BTM_Pix on why this doesn't move the needle for him, however I can imagine a number of situations why it wouldn't be a revelation for folks. For me it's a revolution in phone footage, but it's not a revolution in how I shoot. Here's an outline of my thoughts: The iPhone 15 main camera creates a nice image, but is an 8K sensor with a fixed 3mm F1.78 lens, which with the crop factor of 8.0 is equivalent to a 24mm F14.2 lens. This lens can employ a 2x crop and still be 4K, but beyond that is upsampling. The iPhone 15 other cameras have shown that unless provided enough light (basically they need direct daylight) they exhibit significant noise An RX100 has a 9-72mm F2.8-4.5 lens (with a crop factor of 2.667 is 24-192mm), which means there is no cropping below 4k when zooming beyond 48mm equivalent, and compared to the iPhones tele camera (5x 120mm f2.8) will keep its 4k resolution when zoomed beyond the 120mm iPhone camera Other fixed-zoom cameras like the LX100 will be similar to the RX100 For me, when comparing the iPhone to the GX85, there is no competition.. The iPhone 15 has real log, is small, has PDAF and can instantly change between various focal lengths however.. The GX85 can be fit with F0.95 primes for low-light ..has a tilt screen for overhead and low-angle shots ..can use super-zooms like the 14-140mm ..can be used with extreme telephotos like my Tamron 400mm F5.6 prime etc However, let's do something radical and assume we want to make a film, and assess things from the perspective of that end goal. The iPhone allows you to shoot very fast, and provides good image quality at one or two focal lengths, and good image quality in a couple of others in direct daylight conditions. The main camera has zero background defocus when focusing further than 7ft away. The iPhone 5x tele is equivalent to a 120mm F22 lens with a DoF of 1.76ft at a 10ft focus distance, but the RX100 has a DoF of 0.38ft at 10ft focus distance when it's at 192mm full zoom, and the iPhone 5x camera will be cropped to 2.4K from its 4K sensor at that focal length. The iPhone lacks the ability to optically zoom to the right composition without cropping past 4K to lower resolutions. The iPhone is a great camera if you want small size, to work fast, and have a "I get what I get" type of shooting style, but not many films would start with the final product in mind and work backwards to arrive at the conclusion that the iPhone, and all it's limitations, is the perfect tool for the job with the least compromises compared to other options. My current setup that I will trial for my next holiday is this: iPhone 12 Mini for very low-key shots and for use when moving fast like going through airports etc where I need to think about other things but want to grab a shot here or there GX85 with 12-35mm F2.8 zoom (and iPhone wide camera for ultra-wides) for times when a small camera is ok and I need to shoot very quickly to get spontaneous moments GX85 with 7.5/2 + 17.5/0.95 + 50/1.2 primes for low-light times, such as sightseeing at night, going into caves / mines / etc P2K or M2K with 12-35mm F2.8 zoom for times when I can work slowly to expose and focus manually / slowly, there is good light, etc If I bought an iPhone 15 Pro my iPhone shots would be improved, but it's not replacing the GX85 because it can't zoom or operate in low-light, and doesn't come close to the IQ of the P2K or M2K cameras which are closer to the IQ of an Alexa than the iPhone.

Follow-up. After my earlier post I've determined the issue appears specific to the AAC audio codec, which is the codec utilized for all the lower bit-rate MP4 mode files. If I switch to LPCM the issue doesn't occur - LPCM is utilized for all of the higher bit-rate MOV mode files. Here's a new video comparing the two audio codecs:

Are you talking about the eoshd log thing. It says "Gamma curve is similar to V-LOG / S-LOG / F-LOG style." So you'll have to try a few

For mobile video as in literally video on mobile phones or just mobile video as in a compact setup ? If its the former then I've no real opinions as I don't use my iPhone for anything other than non-photo/video things aside from the odd snapshot. If its the latter then per my point about matching what, to me at least, is the average looking image in that particular video then for the same price as the 15 Pro Max we could probably be here all day listing options. I've seen other videos where it has been exploited better but I don't see anything in and of itself which supports it being anything other than a step forward for iPhone filming. Phone cameras have always left me cold (particularly in terms of the price of these high end iPhones) but I did have a weather eye out for this one as it might have been the one to change that. I realise I might be in a minority here but thus far it hasn't moved the needle that much for me. I'm curious to know how many people on here have one of these yet and if it has changed anything for them in terms of being a camera replacement other than it just being a better camera than their previous one. For example, has anyone who always used, say, an LX100 or an RX100 etc as a compact camera now completely dropped those and only use the 15 Pro Max ?

This has got me curious enough to dig deeper. I'll try with several other computers running various operating systems, different cables, etc. Hopefully I can identify the root cause of the miscompares.

It's a bit like a blanket... if you push one side, the other one will end undercovered LOL ; ) Maybe 'cause of that I bought a couple of Zenfone 7 Pro devices with their retractable camera. Overheating and much of a distraction a smartphone is, are a PITA anyway. The AcePro will give it a try. I wonder how those Beastgrip glass add-ons will work out. That anamorphic adapter in both 1.33x and 1.55x versions look like sweet, though ;- ) I wonder about this:

On the whole, I thought that was really lacklustre to be honest and I'd say that, quite appropriately, he phoned that one in. Ironically, that made it quite informative set against the slew of shock faced "OMG I can't believe I shot this cinematic masterpiece on a phone" videos on YouTube where a lot of production work has gone clearly in to them as this shows what you get out of one shooting in a more casual can't be arsed sort of manner. I can think of far cheaper cameras than the £1299 the base model costs in the UK with which to get similarly meh results with that approach. It hasn't stopped the vast majority of commenters on it saying not only is the emperor not naked but he is wearing the finest of hand woven garments though, so I'm guessing they're seeing something different to me. Filters seem to be this year's LUT packs don't they and this felt more about them than the camera.

I use this SmallRig half cage on mine which has a basic but effective HDMI clamp.

I think the Accsoon Seemo might cover a multitude of sins as it gives you all the monitoring facilities without having as much bulk as a Ninja etc as it uses your iPhone. With the OG Pocket, the big advantage is that you can deploy it or not on a per needs basis as with it being your phone you are already carrying it with you so the only extra bulk you would be carrying is the unit itself which is basically the size of a phone holder (plus battery). They are around £130 so not a particular bank breaker either. https://accsoon.com/accsoon-seemo/

P2K has a very fragile micro hdmi out as you know, so I don't even bother. @kye I used it in in direct sunlight without rigging a monitor. I was testing a worst case scenario, carrying three xtra batteries and the 14mm F2.5 pancake at F11 and 360 shutter. I had so much fun and the results very so satisfying. I used single point AF on the lens, F11 on S16, you figure:) That way i was able to use the monitor only for framing and i prefocused my shots with pressing the focus button once or twice only during the take. I had posted that video here before. Such a great little camera with a great image. A pocket camera after all.:)

Exactely. That thing is fragile. Hardly usuable for rigging. I mounted it on one of the screwholes and the outer shell cracked slightly around the mounting point. Same with a second screw hole. The plastic shell is just very poor quality.

Have you ever watched this one @mercer? Your face! : ) And simply one of the loveliest pieces ANYONE can EVER watch on the screen! End of the story. So I hope this may serve as definitive word on the responsibility you have as creator, no excuses, you're much more than a writer and... period ; ) EAG :- )

I'm not really one to say... I still shoot ML Raw on a Canon 5D3... I will say that the FZ2500 is hefty. It's kinda like a brick, but it's a solid camera. The all-i 1080p out of it is really nice. I stopped looking at the newer RX10s once they moved away from the constant aperture lens and the built in nd filters. I've only had version ii and I liked it a lot. They also seem to hold their value. The last one i bought used back in 2017, I paid the same amount that i see them listed for now. Here are a couple frames from it...