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After a little while reading comments and watching videos and reading the specs, I have come to think of this camera a little differently than it seems others are. I think it's about size. If you want a better camera and don't care about size then just buy an S5iiX, or a BMCC 6K, or Alexa or whatever. Camerasize.com doesn't have the S9 yet, so I did a mockup myself, basically it's the same size as the GX85: In those terms, it's a GX85 sized camera body but FF, PDAF, Dual native ISO, 10-bit LOG, Open Gate, claimed 14+ stops of DR, cutting edge colour profiles, etc, without losing the IBIS etc. If it was an MFT camera then people would be falling all over themselves about it, but it's FF and so somehow has to be an Alexa LF to not get roasted.. doesn't make sense to me. Of course, it's not perfect because nothing is, but at this size and price the competition really isn't perfect either. Also, the F8 prime doesn't really bother me that much, and it's a much closer comparison to the 14mm F2.5 lens than you might think. The 14mm F2.5 has the DOF of a 28mm F5 lens, which is only just over a stop deeper, and if you combine the dual ISO of the S9 with the F8 lens then that gives it a 2.5 stop boost giving equivalent light gathering of a F3.5 lens (if I did the math right?). The iPhone 15 main camera has a crop factor of 5, so the main lens is equivalent to a 26mm F7.2 lens, and older models had smaller sensors so would be equivalent to slower lenses. Entire media empires have been built on content shot on phones, so I don't see this as a major issue. Then again, I bought the Olympus 15mm F8 body cap lens for MFT, so what would I know! My review of that lens is that it's great, but F8 is too slow for anything indoors or after sunset. With the Dual ISO that limitation disappears. The challenge for FF was lens size (and especially the L-mount), so here's a lens that's small and pocketable and great for street photography. Is it overpriced? Should it be AF? Probably.. but it exists, and "F8 and be there" is a saying that came from the best photographers who ever lived and has stood the test of time. All that said, I'm not buying one because the lenses are all still enormous except the new pancake. Hopefully this is a new body that Panasonic can re-use for the MFT line 🙂

Have been messing around with a friend's XA50 and love the AF, cLog3 and above all... the form factor. The process becomes solely about composition and storytelling. Anyway here's a frame I grabbed after shooting with it for about 2 minutes...

I don't know... I think all of these YouTube personalities are full of shit, on some level. And that's fine. It's a niche market in and of itself and if they have found a way to feed their families, then it's no worse than many other professions. As long as you know where they're coming from, then I don't care one way or the other. They all follow trends amongst themselves, chasing each other's angles. The new angle seems to be... why YouTube content creating is soul draining and why I am getting out. A month or two ago, one of my favorite YT shillebrities posted a video with that topic and then he broke in the middle for a word from his sponsor... HAHAHAHA!!!!

First, I should say I like Gerald Undone's videos and I watch most of them. My criticism of him is that he portrays himself as an expert in 2 fields: 1) cameras; 2) YouTube setups (he walks around with a clipboard grading them). Now with this video, he is adding to his repertoire and he sounds like he portraying himself as a "moral expert" when it comes to the relationship with companies. Again, Gerald, the expert, and, as you know, "we should all listen to experts". I'm not a fan of "experts," maybe after watching F or Fake. It might sound like I'm being excessively harsh on him and I'm sure there are many who are much less of an "expert" than him, but I don't like that attitude. I think he's full of crap when it comes to him explaining how he takes the moral high road. I think he too, will take the cash when shown. That's just my opinion.

This was a confusing watch, honestly. He started out by saying viewers put too much value in the trips, yet he is clearly irked that he has been snubbed by Panasonic and not brought on them. 99% of his viewers will never be flown to an exotic location, put up in a nice hotel, and otherwise have the red carpet rolled out for them. That he tries to act like they aren't a big deal (despite his clearly being irked at being left out) shows how much of a disconnect there is between people like him and the rest of us. I don't doubt that he's being honest about Lumix BUT I've pointed out in the past on here how biased Gerald's titles are when it's a Sony camera versus when it's other brands. Examples: As a consumer I don't like it, but if I'm looking at it as the marketing person for these other camera brands and I saw how much of a shill he has become for Sony (and he can argue all he wants that he's the most critical of Sony out of every other company he reviews, it isn't true) I'd probably not bend over backwards for him either. His broader message about being disposable to these companies I agree with, but he played the game, helped create the beast, and still, to an extent, continues to be a part of the problem.

Gerald just put out an incredible video talking about YT camera reviews, reviewers, manufacturers, and how the whole thing works. He talked about brands specifically and how they have treated him, including Panasonic punishing him for a YT title, Canon, Fuji, Sony, etc. The good, the bad, and absolutely the ugly. He also gave a pretty comprehensive and level-headed-sounding overview of how it works. If all you want to do is complain about everything (which is most people online sadly) then you can skip the nuanced parts of his video and just get to the gossip about each brand (that's what it is after all...) but the whole thing seems well thought-out.

There’s quite a few ‘R Us YT’ers Full of Shit’ videos already uploaded, I guess in response and there will be others. Gate opened.

I'm no psychologist and I don't know the guy personally so I am no more qualified than anybody else to talk to motivations, but I took it as fully tongue-in-cheek, but if you take something else away from it, you're at least equally right (and maybe more right, who knows?). 😃 Sure, but so am I - and so are you, and so is every other person. The most important thing is to understand how people are full of shit. This is a huge problem. Factor into it that for a lot of people, especially if they could only afford one camera, they might have done research for months before they finally got it. For a lot of those people, a suggestion that they didn't make the right decision can instantly put them on the defensive and cause them to lash out. I'd guess that a huge majority of online dick waving contests about cameras stem from this sort of sensitivity. To follow on that, at least for me, any time anybody refers to their camera as a "beast," whether it be YouTuber or commenter or whatever, I instantly devalue most of what they said before/after. Cameras aren't beasts. They are tools. One should understand the positives and negatives of the tool and base purchase and usage decisions on those things.

To add... anytime gear becomes the center of discussion, there always ends up being flame wars. This camera is better than that camera. The features on my camera beats the features on your camera. My dick is bigger than yours. Blah, blah, blah. And the videos from YT get celebrated for it. If GeraldUndone posts a video about whatever technical, resolution achievement it becomes a fact and a must have. If Zedlin, a working Hollywood cinematographer, posts a video about how and why filmmakers are chasing the wrong thing... he's considered a dipshit.

I agree. My wife does artistic painting etc. as a fairly serious hobby (to the extent of exhibiting and selling it). At an exhibition it's usually the artists who are the most down-to-earth people in the room, as they know what's involved in creating, promoting and selling it - which is overall a lot of work (just like making decent video content is). Art critics are essentially product reviewers - they look at an art product and tell you what they think about it, sometimes implying 'meaning' in the work that I strongly suspect the original artist never intended (and who is probably dead so can't challenge the opinion). That's no different really to many other sales and marketing activities. He's on my subscription list and I watch some of his content if I'm in the mood for his style and I might be interested in the product he's talking about. But I think he's sometimes got an exaggerated sense of his importance, which grates a bit sometimes.

I always took that as tongue-in-cheek and as a device to add a bit of humor to what would otherwise be relatively dry videos of somebody showing him a bunch of lights on lightstands, etc.

No. I said that based on the timeline that any panic that had been suggested to exist would have had to have been on BM’s side. The suggestion wasn’t mine obviously.

Exactly (GX85 + 14-140mm is my current travel cam). Versus the GX85 or GX9, you get 24MP stills, PDAF, a dual-gain sensor with good high-ISO performance, 4k50p/60p (albeit with a crop but so does the GX85/GX9 in 4k), a higher capacity battery, better stabilization, variable electronic zoom, a mic input, H264 and H26 10-bit recording at (in round numbers) 24/25/30/48/50/60p up to C4K, with higher resolutions up to 30p, at up to 4:2:2 and 200Mbps long-GOP. Viewed as a GX85 & GX9 successor, it makes a lot of sense, especially once the 18-40mm zoom is available. (At the moment, buying used from a dealer in the UK, a GX9 + 14-140mm would cost around £700 - £1000 so that's not a cheap camera either).

100^ on point. To think the only way to legit be into camera and video is to learn color grading is quite odd. I’m going to die someday. Let me have optimal color or near optimal with minimal work - for the platform of socials and YouTube. That’s it. This camera is a massive step in that direction. Panasonic is really stepping up whereas canon is just like huh

Panasonic UK have two S9 kits listed on their website, one with the 20-60mm f3.5-5.6, the other with the 28-200mm f4-7.1 Macro OIS lens (but no price as yet for that kit). Comparing the sizes of both on the S9, the 28-200mm kit looks like it might be a nice FF travel cam combination at just under 900g total weight including battery. According to Panasonic W x H x D is 126 x 73.9 x 140.1 mm with the 28-200 (the 20-60 is just 6mm shorter and 63g lighter): Amateur Photographer magazine in the UK has estimated the length of the upcoming compact 18-40mm F4.5-6.3 at around 40mm, which is about half the length of the 20-60mm.

With regard to the objectivity and competence of these “reviewers”, I thought we’d put that to bed on here a few years ago. Never forget the absolute pile on suffered by @Andrew Reid for raising the blatant shenanigans that Canon were up to and the lengths that we both had to go to in proving it definitively. Did any of these clowns apologise ? No, they just made follow up videos about it to generate more clicks ! Oh but jokes about kittens right ?

They’d already gathered in Osaka, shot with it and left by time BM announced the price cut. With the amount of leaks coming out of there about the S9, it’s more likely the panic came from BM rather than the other way round. There was a lot of talk about there being a fixed lens camera (aka Panasonic badged Leica Q3) so it’s possible that may have been something that was held back. Perhaps Leica didn’t want Panasonic overshadowing their own announcement this week of their new fixed lens camera. Although them releasing a £1500 version of the few years old Panasonic LX100mk2 kind of overshadowed itself anyway. My theory is that the leaking about all this stuff comes from the manufacturers of the cages which are always coincidentally announced on the same day as the new cameras so they have the most prior knowledge.

This was a very ugly hit piece against Panasonic by Gerald. See, I see no problem whatsoever with Panasonic not inviting Gerald (& others) because they believe the Panasonic S9 isn't for him. This is no different whatsoever to if camera very specifically targeting street photographers got released, then they won't be inviting people who specialize in the niche of bird photography!! That's silly, as they might just end up complaining about: FPS / weather proofing / crop mode / buffer size / their own weird ergonomic needs / etc However those same people could find themselves still being invited to a release of a camera that is for bird photographer (IF they haven't just done an ugly hit piece against the brand! Such as Gerald just did).

This was a very ugly hit piece against Panasonic by Gerald. See, I see no problem whatsoever with Panasonic not inviting Gerald (& others) because they believe the Panasonic S9 isn't for him. This is no different whatsoever to if camera very specifically targeting street photographers got released, then they won't be inviting people who specialize in the niche of bird photography!! That's silly, as they might just end up complaining about: FPS / weather proofing / crop mode / buffer size / their own weird ergonomic needs / etc However those same people could find themselves still being invited to a release of a camera that is for bird photographer (IF they haven't just done any ugly hit piece against the brand! Such as Gerald just did). Wouldn't surprise me at all https://archive.ph/atk0f Maybe, maybe not. Gerald has positioned himself as going a different path, that's he is uniquely the 'honest/direct" reviewer. In a way, him putting out a video like this is very "on brand" for him, he's doing what he does ("calling it as it is"). He's definitely branded himself as that. Yeah, I mean, I'd still definitely watch any of his videos about a specific camera before I make a big purchase of one. And I enjoy watching his videos for entertainment! But due to the fact he has zero experience, he does often make unbalanced / incorrect conclusions I reckon, relative to the needs of a professional. Smaller channels such as Cranky Cameraman or Luke Seerveld provides better value to watch. Curtis Judd suffers from the same problem, a fantastic person and channel, but I feel his final conclusions / emphasis he arrives upon can miss the mark when it comes to relevance for the Sound Depart. (but then again, I feel we're not his target market at all. He instead serves the needs of videographers / students / indies / hobbyists) To be fair, the skills are very different when it comes to being a successful YouTuber and being a successful worker in the film industry

I have been steadily unsubscribing from so many YouTube channels in recent months because I have become tired with all the BS. New camera reviews (which tend to be previews) that are based on an all expenses paid trip, have seen the biggest cull. Sorry, but I just do not believe for one second that you cannot be anything but biased if you know you are unlikely to be invited on another if you don’t say only, or at least mostly, positive things. Zero issue with folks chasing free trips, sponsorship or making a living however you wish, but I don’t have to support it and I don’t by clicking the unsubscribe button. If I’m going to delve into reviews, it’s going to be from folks who bought the thing with their own hard earned and happens months after the launch and after extensive real world testing, ie, almost certainly working pros rather than content creators who by the very nature of their chosen path, need to flit from bush to bush like butterflies. This does not mean I cannot be interested in the launch of a new product or have hopes and desires for Future Product X, but simply a case of not being sucked into the hype.

^ I do the same thing. We write the filename in the script notes so we know what it contains. And when I copy footage off cards, I rename all the files so that corresponding files always have the same name.

I think this is going to be even more disrupting as the new raspberry pi 5 is just announced. I figure that cinepi 3 based on pi 5 may do 8k raw on a s16/1-inch sensor, at about $500.

I'd like to see Panasonic have success with this and increase market share -- to go on to release another compact with a much faster reading sensor + evf to outcompete Sony's A7C II (429g body). That is more appealing to me as a compact travel camera (of course much more expensive). Sigma's contemporary primes strike a great weight/performance balance and are just waiting for something way beyond the FP line to pair with on L mount.

Here's a top-down view of the S9 with the Sigma 45mm f/2.8. It looks like a really good size but still not pancake. BTW, this is how Panasonic really envisions you using this camera- phone in one hand and camera in the other. I can't do that as would rather be looking at the scene in front of me, not fiddling around on a phone that's way to big to operate with one hand anyway.

TL/DR: Old man+lawn+upset. Funny to me that this video is considered a "spill the beans" kind of deal. The information super highway has become what it was always destined to become. It's novelty gave it value. It's coasted on the early-year-legacy when it was a bit of a legitimate gathering space and access was a bit difficult. Even then, late 80's early 90's, I was interviewing corporate folks that were manipulating content. With the advent of Mozilla and Netscape they really began to realize the scale potential of things. Data tracking was a goldrush and they knew they'd be in front of the zeitgeist of citizen's respect of privacy. Yeah, privacy used to be a thing. People valued it. Anyway, as we all know, but seldom really grok the extent, we are the product. If you can segregate from Web 2.0 or find safe spaces, like this one, then you can remain slightly objective. But it's pretty hard. In this world right now the 99% of us are just things to be exploited. I mean, we were back in pre-80's as well, but there was a useful skepticism to marketing, it wasn't AS insidious, and it was a lot easier to avoid. I keep expecting a backlash and a shift in culture to forgo this intrusion into life, but then I look around and just end up typing ellipses ...

One thing I think is useful to keep in mind is that anything published to YT is a part of the entertainment industry. That's why everything is about views & subscribers (the ratings system for free online content) and ad breaks and sponsored videos etc. The business model is the same - the owner pays to make content that will attract viewers and then sells that attention to advertisers. YT didn't call them 'channels' and have a TV as its icon by accident - everyone is running a TV station now. Some are trying to be community stations, attracting patrons of the arts rather than selling out, etc, but the game is the same. If camera reviews were part of science then there would be peer-review and the general goal would be to be well-respected and get funding through that mechanism. Sure, there are lots of corruptions to science with research funding politics and publishing etc but it's still a long way from being in the territory that the entertainment industry is. Only you can decide if a TV show / YT video is an informercial, a talk show, a documentary, or a public broadcast, but you should be making that decision when you watch.

I'm not really sure what criticisms you're making. When I watch a Gerald video, the things I'm seeing are things like: What is the DR that he measured What features aren't available in which modes (ie, what the manufacturer won't tell you) What else did he notice about it, like if it overheated, or took 20s to turn on, or got corrupted clips, etc He's mentioned before that he has a standard checklist of things to test and does that for all his reviews, so assuming that's true then it's a semi-rounded take on the camera Maybe I'm missing all the times when he made comments that were outside his knowledge and experience? If he did then I don't remember him making them. The territory that gets tricky is when a reviewer is commenting on how good a camera it is overall (because that's subjective and not objective), or when things are outside their experience. I can read whatever I want about an Alexa 35 but I'd be talking out my backside if I told you that it was a good camera for a cinematographer to shoot a feature film on, because I have no experience of that. Perhaps the biggest criticism of that Gerald that I am aware of is omission of relevant facts. Is there some gotcha about the camera that wasn't in one of his reviews? Probably in every one of them. Are they deliberately withheld, and if so then why? or did he just not find them? Who knows, but it's worth noting that Gerald takes the most time to menu dive out of all the YT reviewers, and is obviously much more systematic in his approach, so whatever extent he's guilty of it then everyone else is guilty of it 10X or 50X more. Most YT 'reviewers' seem to just read out the marketing brochure, turn the camera on and wave it around enough to film a video long enough for a sponsor segment, and if they find a weakness then might mention it and might not... then proceed to tell you that it's a good fit for doing a bunch of things that they have no experience with at all. We can throw shade at Gerald, and no-one is perfect of course, but if we're going to get specific then perhaps we should refocus our attention to the worst offenders. Lots of reviewers making only positive reviews about a brand and then a "why I'm switching to X" video which mentions a dozen or so criticisms of their previous brand that somehow never made it into the original videos but would have been obvious from day one. Of course, if we're going to re-direct our attention, then maybe we should focus on those who actively oppose any genuine criticism of a brand, like the R5 incident which was easily verifiable by anyone who had one or had access to someone who did... Not being a critical reviewer is one thing, but voluntarily participating in a cover up is something else entirely.

Put 30 experienced artists in a room with 1 newly graduated art critic, it will be the art critic who will be considered the expert. I wonder how Gerald Undone figures in with that? I cannot help but hear a bit of hypocrisy in what he says.

I think this is a key point - colour grading is a daunting and time-consuming thing that most won't want to do (or learn to do). I disagree that this isn't for content creators, I think that's exactly who it's for, but the point stands. I got into video around 2016 and at the time the people here were all about LUTs and profiles, CineD in Panasonic cameras, the Leeming LUT etc. At that time I didn't see anyone talking about colour management, and although Resolve was the same price then as it is now, it was a very different tool back then. It had only recently had the Edit page added, and round-tripping from PP/FCPX to Resolve and back isn't for the faint-of-heart. There are still lots of people who don't want to colour grade, for a variety of reasons, but now it's not a choice between a few profiles or a few LUTs, or spending the time and effort to learn colour grading.

Of course... duh! *slaps own forehead* 🙂 Interesting about the cage manufacturers doing the leaking. I guess they'd be the ones with the most detailed knowledge of the cameras too - considering that they'd be required to receive accurate dimensions and potentially would also get the size requirements of the lenses too so they'd be able to figure out the lens configuration and sensor size. I think it's a straight up content creators camera. Gerald said he thinks that it was Panasonic trying to get some of that Fuji money after the success of the X100 selling out, and that the inclusion of all the more advanced features was simply a case of taking the S5ii package and not paying engineers to disable features when they can just release the new camera with those features and not pay anyone to remove them. Millennials and GenZ are running around with vintage point-and-shoot cameras and want film presets now, despite their smartphone being technically better in practically every way. The fact that us crotchety old camera nerds don't know what the hell they want isn't surprising, especially considering I'm pretty sure they don't know what they want either! Anyone who has ever looked at the fashion industry will know that nothing makes sense, lots of things look completely stupid, yet there is a rabid market for it and you can make squillions of dollars if you can get it right.

Yeah, exactly like the G9. Making the S9 into a GX line camera would literally be the same - taking a FF body and putting an MFT sensor / mount into it. If they did this, it would make sense. Have a few standard body shapes where you can get economies of scale for manufacture, and just change the sensor and lens mounts etc for different models. BM has been doing this with the BMPCC lineup. I'd be inclined to say that this is what they're doing, but who knows... anything designed by committee is inherently unpredictable unless you're in the room with the committee, and even then, lots of corporate folks get chewed up and spat out by office politics even when they are in the room! In terms of the potential overheating, Gerald said something in the livestream to the effect that Panasonic test their cameras at 40C / 104F and that these record time limits would be a guarantee that the camera would record for that long under those conditions. It was just a reference in passing of course, so don't quote me on that. I also heard a comment in one of the reviews (Cams IIRC) where someone said that someone tested the camera by just hitting record over and over again, and it being fine recording for something like an hour, and there was talk with Panasonic about removing the time limits via firmware, but obviously who knows what will happen. I suspect a bunch of people will be happy. Dave said in the steam that he mentioned the controversy about the release to one of the creators who was there and they didn't know what he was talking about because his audience, who are all iPhone / vlogging folks, didn't have any negative comments about it at all. When I was shooting with primes, the 2X function on the GH5 and GX85 were really important to me. They literally changed the lenses that I bought and my approach to how I shot. For most people this feature was of zero importance. Why do I say this? For most people who buy these cameras, this whole conversation and controversy is the equivalent of me talking about the 2X feature - they don't know about this stuff, wouldn't understand it if they came across it, and if we explained it to them they simply wouldn't care.

Back in the day, I used to attend a lot of workshops and made quite a few friends from within the community as a result. Very quickly, this is what workshops became about. Not the subject or learning, but a ‘legit’ excuse to spend time with friends who live too far away otherwise to socialize with. Without question, a lot of the hype of being flown to Japan, accommodated, wined & dined with your chums, is going to have a big impact and make everything seem brighter and shinier than it might otherwise have been. I’d just feel more than a bit grubby though if I felt compelled to only report the good stuff…but then I don’t have a YT channel, am not a Cuntent Creator, nor ever will be because it just does not interest me.

That's a 1/1.2-type sensor, even smaller than S16 but yet also not that small either, and most S16 lenses would be a good choice to use with it.

Actually, I think he's one of the most authentic YT reviewers in that way - he isn't a film-maker and doesn't pretend to be one. His reviews are technical and he doesn't pretend to know which little technical gotcha will be important to you and what won't be. This makes sense to me because film-making is different for everyone and tiny little things can be deal-breakers for a few but meaningless to most. The other authentic YT reviewers are the cinematographers. They are working pros who can speak to what is important, but also have a YT channel. This is important to me because cinematographers can have a tendency to know almost nothing about post-production, and/or their knowledge is based on having a workflow that has 27 people in it who all do this for a living. So when a cinematographer is also on YT it generally means they have experience with doing the whole thing themselves, so are able to speak to the whole end-to-end workflow and any quirks about things, which is what matters to lots of us. To complete the picture, the worst YT reviewers are the professional YouTubers. They pretend to be film-makers but only know about YT. They are mostly self-taught and not technical, so they think they're experts, but they're just pretending. If we took the fundamentals of image creation and tested them on it, most would fail, and some would get zero. Take the Resolution Demo from Yedlin - anyone who has actually watched it would either immediately stop hyping up anything 3K or above, or doesn't care about the fact that the image will, in the end, be put in front of an audience. They simply review cameras in terms of how good they are at filming yourself making camera reviews, nothing more, because they don't know anything else. A special mention goes to Chris and Jordan from DPReview fame, who actually made a short film each year with all the processes and techniques of the industry, and yet consistently made statements in reviews that showed they had zero understanding of the fundamentals. I'm wondering if this will spark a bit of a checkpoint in the community. First was the announcements about Insta360 asking people to hide sponsorships, and now this from Gerald, on the back of a highly visible PR event. Everyone says how much influence these "influencers" have, I guess we'll see. One thing I thought was fascinating was his idea of the three phases, and the idea that a reviewer can get big enough to start getting the invitations without having special access, so in theory they don't need it to keep growing. I suspect this video will make the rounds quietly within the YT community, and a lot of people will go "oh yeah... that makes sense". It's the kind of thing that once you've heard it you won't forget it. People will do what they want with that info of course, but I think it might cause a subtle shift.

You're right. He always tries to be "the guy" for camera reviews, the one who's going to tell how things really are and "should you get it". I'd probably agree that many of his conclusions are valid, but it cannot be understated he NEVER actually shares ANY footage as a creator. It's almost like he can talk forever about a language, but never really speaks it. As a language teacher myself, I know there are many teachers who are guilty of this (if that makes sense).

Nice! I thought it must be using OneInchEye at first, but then I saw that you mentioned StarVis. Apparently the same guy who makes OneInchEye also makes StarLightEye. https://www.tindie.com/products/will123321/starlighteye/ Could be worth messing around a bit - the cinemapi sensors are getting really decent, finally.

It sucks, but I'll give them credit for putting the recording limits in. At least then people can know what to expect, unlike with other camera companies.

I keep finding more stuff that the S9 doesn't do that the S5ii does as I'm trying to help the "reviewers" out there. (Re)(Re)updated list: Pros for S9 258g lighter Smaller body $300 cheaper than S5ii LUT mayhem if you're into that Cold shoe Pros for S5ii EVF Mechanical shutter Dual card slots Headphone jack True unlimited recording with a fan Way more buttons and customisation in the body Proxy recording 14bit Raw files Better grip Weather sealed body Hot shoe for flash photography and XLR adapter Full-sized HDMI Charging via USB-C while using the camera

I'm not really following the project, but this got posted to a FB group I'm in and the footage looks pretty good... nothing incredible, because it's a standard sensor of course, but really workable: From the video description: STARVIS 2 sensor (IMX585) from Sony shot in a variety of frames rates ( 24, 30, 48, 60 ) in both 12-bit lossless compressed and 16-bit uncompressed CinemaDNG RAW at 4K resolution directly to CFExpress Type B media shot handheld with an image-stabilized Canon 17-55mm lens and a Metabones speedbooster Edited and color graded in DaVinci Resolve 19 Beta (4K timeline, exported in 8K)

He's been on Noam Kroll's podcast as well and he mentioned an ingenious thing he does when he slates a shot. He basically claps and then instead of calling it Take One, take two, etc... he uses the file name on his zoom recorder in place of scene/take name/numbers... if that makes sense

Yeah, unfortunately it's the collective "we" and those of us who think there might be an optimum resolution and sharpness are hopelessly outnumbered by the MOAR! MOAR!! MOARRR!!!! people who are completely divorced from reality and can never get enough.

The BMPCC was already soooo cheap for its time that the fire sale made it an absolute no-brainer 🙂

I'm thinking along the same lines. I'm mainly a video guy and my S5mk2 is my workhorse with the S5 as a back up. As you know I've started doing hybrid weddings but coming from the other angle, video then photo. Weddings are chaotic affairs here in Spain and really the only way to do it is to have the 2 cameras with you all the time. I find carrying the S5mk2 and S5 too heavy and cumbersome. I like the idea of having the S5mk2 for photos and the S9 for video. In these cases I'm shooting 4K 50p mainly so the Sigma APSC zooms would make sense, even the 16mm F1.4 (although I don't know how good the AF is). I'd mainly be taking short clips for a long trailer style video. I have the S5 if I need a tripod cam (it's never over heated even in 38 degrees in the sun filming a whole ceremony!). Hmm!🤔

I think right now, if I was going to get/use one, I’d treat it as an APSC camera and go with the Sigma 10-18 and 18-50, both f2.8, for an equivalent pairing of 15-27mm and 27-25mm and be done with it.

I think for some who don’t want to spend time in post, these software features are truly moving the needle forward in a very positive way.

M mount adapter + Summicron-M 50mm f/2.

And now to those who still think this is not possible with this camera... ...let alone the skin tones possible to extract from this combo beauty there ; )

I took out my VX980 and film this in the morning. After, I threw it into Final Cut and added Film Convert to it. It was so easy. I let the camera figure the exposure on all the shots, but I had a ND32 on it at all times. All the shots were on a tripod. I probably should have uploaded in 4k, but oh well. It still looks good.

Heavens above! I am enjoying this camera (AX53) so much! The zoom is fabulous. The size and convenience coupled with the internal stabilisation and - I might be repeating myself - that zoom is a winning combination. Yes, the image isn’t up there with the best but one wouldn’t expect it to be. But as a tool to take out, have some fun and create some images to enjoy it’s fabulous. I’m glad I stumbled into this thread!