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WTH... and my people at home think we are all insane for camera related stuff : D Well, at least we do it by written! LOL : P

And this The main takeaway for me from this yet another launch short is that today you can do anything with any camera as long as you have budget and skill. The quality is very high now. From what you see on this short at the end they didn't even use cinema lenses but all standard Canon stuff To this if they gave it an FX3, FX5, S5 or an Alexa, the result would be indistinguishable. Bravo to the DoP and the colorist. The Creator, 100M USD budget shot all with the FX3 studied and designed by Dune DOP Greig Fraser, oscar award winner for Dune, says it all. Then you see the stuff done by Philip Chiesa with a Gh5S and you have further confirmation. Then of course everyone has their own preferences and fixations but this is the hard and pure reality. P.S. A little too orange & teal for my taste. The days of Michael Bay are gone 😄

I thought camera opinion videos were getting a bit obsessive when that guy a few weeks ago left his kids alone inside the holiday cabin as he couldn't possibly wait another minute to get on the porch and share his thoughts on a camera rumour with the wider world on YouTube but..... Well, this is on another level. The moral of the tale is that even when staring down the long tunnel into the abyss he still stands by his decision to buy the Z8.

I posted multiple times Canon RAW is super quick in Resolve better than HW accelerated h265 variants and on par with XAVC. With CFExpress I don't need to copy over I can edit directly form the card for quick turnaround. I shoot mostly 8k 50p RAW R5c so 2600 Mbps.... If people don't shoot any action/sport, don't us AF, don't care about raw, don't shoot pictures, R5 II is the wrong camera. As always here most people that negatively comment never have used a R5, R5c, etc, in my domain action/sports/wildlife Panasonic and Fuji are super niche cameras. On the price I will sell my R5 for 2k, buy the R5 II and keep the R5c. TCO of R5 2500$ over 4 years: 52$ a month. R5 II will be around the same. One time less a month in a restaurant and you are done.

It's insane that the sub 2k S5 ii has a built in fan and this doesn't.

Yes, the grading is a bit too much. The rest I like it. The only thing that worries me a bit is some wobble I hope is more user error / extreme situations than IBIS.

Of course, my friend!😂

Another level, really

For me it was always the lenses, using adapted Canon lenses kept AF from working at all with the S5. not sure if it is the same with the S1H. AF is very important to me, I literally never know what I am shooting or what situation I will be in when I get to a new type of project so I need every tool that I can get to ensure I meet the client's expectations. Canon's AF is supposed to be one of the best out there and I've still ran into situations where it struggles. I also just never felt the same shooting photography with the Panasonic. Canon has never had an equal for me when it comes to photography and I have tested Nikon, Sony, and Panasonic at the display cases in the store. For photography I actually use the full 45MP, my clients frequently need both portrait and landscape versions of images; landscape for their websites and portrait for social media, with 45MP I can losslessly crop to both resolutions while leaving headroom when filming to meet both requirements. I feel that way too, if you shoot a wide variety of paying projects especially both photography and video it is easier to understand how the very strong features for both that the R5 II and Canon ecosystem offers are very appealing. The new R series cameras literally offer something for every scenario you could possibly face in a single body. Is it the absolute best at photography....no. Is it the absolute best at video....no. But when you only want to carry one body and you need to satisfy your paying client regardless of the project it is good enough 95% of the time. The Canon ecosystem also offers a very natural progression into cinema/longform content via the C70 where you can easily match CLOG3 and now with the R5II CLOG2 between a hybrid body and the C70. Canon is definitely pricey, they are certainly not without their controversy (cripple hammer, overheating, etc.) but I do feel like overall they cater to the do it all acceptably well category better than any other vendor except maybe the Nikon Z series which I don't know much about but which look fantastic on paper.

Well that went tits up... First the fact that 26mp medium raw is not compatible with any current batch editing software which meant shooting everything at 61mp which was not the plan. Then the thing keeps locking up. Or rather not switching on at random times forcing battery out, battery in, which is hardly ideal at key moments. It has happened now 2-3 times on each of the 3 shoots I have used it on. Not good enough. Plus it just is not as good in low light as the Nikon Zf/Z6II or any of my 24mp Lumix cameras. It just isn't. So I'm returning it and selling everything Nikon and Tamron. For what? My trusty fave camera of all time, my S1H which has a ridiculous trade in value of around €700. OK, I need to buy a couple of lenses and I have to compromise on my stills camera set up going back to between 2.5/3kg in my hand, but it also puts €6k+ back into my account. Lesson learned. L Mount is just the best system for me so I need to stop dicking about with any and everything else. Samyang 35-150mm f2/2.8 arriving next week in time for my next shoot and Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 on preorder for my indoor and low light lens. Oh well, I tried. S9 arrives tomorrow and was going to replace one of the S5II's which in turn replaced the S1H which was going to be sold, but it's simply a case of repurpose the S1H back into being a stills camera, a role it has fulfilled before superbly. And will once again. Maybe an S2R or S2H next year, but for the rest of this one, probably not. S5II x2 in a static role for video + S9 run & gun + S1H stills. Done. For now...

There is no line skipping any more, it is done by pixel binning and more intelligently merging groups of pixels. Sensors have come a long way since the 5D Mark II. Unfortunately for Canon, the competition's sensors have come along further than they have. If the trend continues then Canon will have to pay a heavy price for Sony's best process... And are not fully in control, but at the mercy of a rival. I am very curious to see if existing R5 and R3 owners in the current financial climate decide that it is worth it to upgrade.

Neither one are weather sealed, neither are hybrid cameras, and neither use a FF sensor. I do think the S1H is the best example of active cooling + weather sealing done right. But even with the S1H it can't shoot 8K and has a lower resolution sensor. Canon has already shown us the monstrosity it would create if it were to add in body active cooling which is the R5C, so for reasons unknown to us they can't seem to replicate the S1H's design or choose not to. The S1H is also mainly focused on video shooters whereas Canon is trying to do literally everything possible in a single body so they probably wanted to keep the size and cost down to appeal to stills photographers as well. Plenty of stills photographers are adamant that they do not want to pay for "video" features. I think that is the part a lot of people on this forum are missing since this is a video focused forum. If you are shooting a hybrid event you will probably need two different bodies if you go with most of the cameras that the R5 II is being compared to on this thread; you will most likely need to bring two bodies to the event, a photography body and a video body. For me I would need to bring 3 bodies (C70 for the longform portion of the main event), a photography body, and a video body. With the R5 II in the same scenario, I could shoot commercially viable video b roll before the event starts, commercially viable photos, then throw the same body on a tripod to act as a b camera for the C70, or use the same body for live event photos while the C70 is filming the longform content. Before the R5 I used to have the C200, Panasonic S5, and 5DIV for events. In my opinion, the only competitor's camera that can offer the same versatility would be the Nikon Z8. All other cameras that I am aware of are either lower resolution, video only, mostly stills focused, even more expensive than the R5 II (i.e. Sony A9), or have some other limitation. That's why to me, the overheating question is the biggest one that needs to be answered. If you need the active cooling grip just to shoot 4K30FPS for 2+ hours that's a big step backwards because the cooling grip does not have the vertical shutter button and photography controls on it. BTW the R1 feels like a big letdown, they should have just called it the R3 II, and kept people guessing for a few more years while they developed an actual flagship.

Only in a very niche segment with the GH7 (that other major companies aren't interested in). The S5 ii is aimed at the 'high perceived value' segment by majoring on firmware features while keeping the hardware costs lower by using an older/slower sensor and sharing a body across multiple cameras. It would be interesting to know how profitable (or not) the Panasonic camera division actually is.

My used FX30 is only slightly more expensive than brand new ZV-E10 II.. Used A6700 can be had for cheaper than ZV-E10 II in my country. But they are for different market like you said, for me I defeinitely prefer used A6700 for best bang for the bucks, it got mechanical shutter and AI stuff which E10II lacks.

FX3 can overheat, this guy I know (I shot with him a few time) said his FX3 did overheat on him. If you search online there are FX3 overheating discussions https://forum.sony-rumors.com/full-frame-mirrorless-cameras/overheating-issues-and-cooling-solutions-for-the-sony-fx3/ FX30 on the other hand I haven't seen anyone claim their one overheated, me and my friend's FX30 has been pretty rock steady sofar. So in terms of overheating I think only Panasonic really did some extra miles for their solution.

Very true, well stated : ) Reason why that mention to the FX30 BTW. I've just bought one because seems they have succeeded where others fail. However, as you said with Panny example and @kye has written, no excuses unless for overcharges with one more accessory to sell like hotdogs, they bet : D

I dunno... Not too much orange and teal there for something apparently fresh and new?

BMMCC has a fan and it was $995 only a few years ago when it went EOL. Plus it is like 30% of the size. The BM Micro Studio Camera 4K G2 is a current model, which is also $995, and tiny by comparison. It has been used for 24 hour races in ridiculous conditions and performed flawlessly. No excuses for overheating, except for significant/extreme weather and dust sealing requirements.

I feel like there's a huge difference between fans that are part of the camera's body (where it gets hottest) and fans that are attached externally to a camera's body. I'm not saying that it won't help, just that it seems inefficient compared to putting active cooling right into the body itself. Certainly for the price I don't see why they couldn't, as I refuse to believe that the extra parts needed would significantly raise manufacturing costs. Panasonic did it for a camera that is half the cost, afterall.

I agree, on the cameras that have a battery grip I have never taken them off, but for this scenario where I don't want a battery grip for my gimbal camera but I do want it for my photography camera and I also want both to be the same body, then the versatility is great. I think 4K60FPS is line skipped, and we still have no idea about overheating so there's that. Also, I would bet money my pet peeve is still there....the video tools like the electronic level and WFM disappear while recording...you know...when you need them the most. Actually, I think it will be pretty effective. The Cinema line all have a similar fan setup and I have never had my C70 or C200 overheat. The way it works in the R5 II is that it has passive cooling vents on the bottom with the exhaust out to the side. If you add a cooling grip it will pull air through the grip, push it through the bottom intake and vent out the side....this is how they managed to keep weather sealing for the actual body but also offer an active cooling option. For 8K it will still not be enough, but for 4K it should do the trick for most situations. The real question here is will you need it for say a 2hr interview or dance recital or live event when shooting 4K30FPS. My R7 can run unlimited in that scenario at 4K30FPS line skipped. At 4K30FPS oversampled it will overheat in about an hour.

That price difference is absolutely nuts. The R5 II is objectively worse than a Z8... Not by a lot, but in terms of the overall technology under the hood, the fact it needs a fan, the lack of ProRes and the worse RAW codec, and also the worse lens mount which cannot accept adapters to Sony E-mount - and I am not sure there is a autofocusing Leica M adapter either? Or Super 16mm c-mount? So that for me, is what killed the EOS R3 vs Nikon Z9 and it is same with the new models. Overheating times don't make for great reading either: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r5-ii-initial-review/2 Seems like just the original R5 with a re-worked fan from the EOS R5C in terms of thermals of the processor and sensor. And what's up with the R1 - for something that has cooked for 3 and a half years longer than a Sony a1, you'd think it would move the bar a lot higher - instead it is a reheated 1D X Mark III! That for me is a bit of a shocker. I was expecting something completely new and something which really put the relatively old-ish R3 and Z9 in the shade. I guess Canon decided that sports photographers didn't want the extra file sizes of 50MP+, so they played it relatively conservatively?

As to the question of "how" it will work, I saw earlier that the vents are on the bottom of the camera body and on one of the sides. One would assume that the grip has holes that mate with the holes on the bottom of the camera and the fan accelerates air flow through the camera and over the sensor. This would also explain why it doesn't help a lot in the most demanding modes - it's a pretty clunky way get air over the relevant components. It still doesn't seem like a cause for the rage that sometimes accompanies recording limits, though. Being able to roll 37 minutes of 8kp30 without a fan and 120+ minutes with one is pretty alright. 4kp60 says 120+ minutes as well without a fan. Seems like a fine mode for long-form interviews, concerts, etc. If you need to run 8kp60 raw or 4kp120 takes for more than 20 minutes or so, Canon will be glad to let you know that you should choose a different camera for that - like their very own R5C which has a much better cooling system and is available on the used market for more than $1,000 less than this camera. 😅

Yup, I've just seen it: Looks like an interesting attempt for issues which made me completely away from the predecessor and Z8 either. So, go imagine how much they have lost with a glass addicted like me... LOL ; ) Here's Gordon's written input, I like this guy because he is oldschool as far as his approach concerns. Who needs any different route? ;- ) https://www.cameralabs.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-review/

Yeah. the people were just clearing out old stuff. They said they didn't know if it even worked anymore, they hadn't used it in ten years. I didn't know the model so didn't know if it was good or not but I bought it (despite already having a bunch of cameras). I'm glad I did as it's a very good camera. Does it still count as G.A.S. if something doesn't cost much?

Well I'm guessing that whatever massive feature set these new cameras have that a level meter isn't one of them