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Denizens of the internet... I present to you the Panasonic Q It is Netflix approved with 6K open gate. Phase-detect AF and IBIS Leica lenses (And some nifty Noktons) In-camera LUTs And still nobody cares because it has a Lumix badge - not a Sony. Yes, it is as small as a Leica Q. Yes, it is much better for video than a Leica Q. The Leica Q3 is 6300 euros. This set me back 1299 special offer in Olive Green. The lens can be changed... On the Leica Q you are stuck to a fake Leica lens that needs heavy digital correction to look ok. It has IBIS... the Q of course doesn't. And in the end, they are both the smallest full frame cameras you can get along with a Sony RX1R II or Sigma Fp/L So in conclusion, Panasonic are doomed. The social media response to this camera made it out to be some sort of silly toy. It just goes to show how uncreative these zealots are. Would it have been nice to have a built in EVF, the only feature aside from extra resolution you get for your 6300 euros on a Q3? Of course. Would it have been nice to be Leica grade in terms of materials, looks, and so on? Well it's not THAT far off really. There has never been such a good image and wide range of features in a camera this small or cheap, end of story. Add a Sigma 35mm F2 or Voigtlander M 40mm F1.2 and enjoy!

Perfect for me if it had an EVF! I don't care how bright the screen is, it's going to be rough without an EVF in the desert at midday. I saw on the rumor sites that 7artisans is making an 18mm pancake. Sticking that on an S9 would make an excellent compact setup for my backpacking trips. Maybe their next one will have an EVF.

Yup, silly internet and silly YouTubers. Actually, to be fair, quite a few rate it, but the brand does not have the more mass market caché of the Sony brand, never mind Nikon or Canon and IMO, that is the biggest weakness of Panasonic Lumix, - inept marketing.

The good old GF1 for size

Well I'm not sure personal attacks on each other's critical thinking skills are constructive. High inflation is a difficult obstacle for an incumbent to overcome. As much as I dislike Trump, it's important to recognize that a large contribution to his loss in 2020 was economic troubles stemming from Covid. I think Biden's administration did fairly well economically, given it was Covid recovery time. Most of the world had higher inflation than the US did. But most voters don't look too closely. Which is very unfortunate, because the Republican/Trump economic agenda is, long term, quite detrimental and also has a considerable amount of doublespeak (to use the 1984 term). We had high inflation, but it's important to note that corporate and ultra wealthy profits were record-high. The higher prices that we consumers paid went straight to rich people and corporations. That's where we see doublespeak: a lot of Republicans say "Make America Great Again" referring to a golden age in the 1960-1980's. The highest marginal tax rate in the 1960's was 91%! It gradually fell to just 50% by 1986, at which point it was slashed in half, ushering in the extreme debt, corporate expansion, and wealth disparity that we still suffer from today, aka Reaganomics. I agree: Make America Great Again--by taxing the wealthy the way we used to, and using that to invest in roads, science, and education, to fuel the technological leadership that we had in the 60's-80's. (Of course, it should not be inferred that I support to the social and racial policies of the 60's! I fully understand the racial undertones of MAGA as a slogan, but I do want to point out their modern economic policies are antithetical to the era that they romanticize) Getting to Trump, there are a couple huge points unrelated to social politics or personality that are worrying 1. Lowering tax rates on wealthy and corporations. All historical trends show that doing so leads to higher wealth disparity, higher deficit, and fewer jobs. In Obama's 8 years, the national deficit fell from $1.42T to $0.44T. The high initial deficit was an increase in spending in response to the financial meltdown in 2008 (that was caused by deregulation). In Trump's first term, the deficit rose again up to $0.98T, even before Covid hit. Between 2009 and 2020, we had the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in US history. The difference was that Obama grew the economy while reducing deficit while recovering from the 2nd worst economic disaster in US history, whereas Trump inherited 8 years of growth and doubled the deficit. Turns out, giving a ton of money to rich people has the effect of making them richer, nothing else--sometimes it really is that simple. 2. Placing billionaires and CEOs in key government positions, almost always ones who donated significantly to his campaign. This is an obvious conflict of interest considering they are the ones profiting off of high prices. 3. Nominating people with no experience for high positions. If you get your dream job and are hired directing the next Marvel movie. Do you hire a successful business owner, or an academy award winning cinematographer to be DoP? Maybe you think the academy favors certain movies more, and that there is politics involved in picking winners--I don't disagree. I can also guarantee you that every Oscar winner is a helluva lot better than someone who's never picked up a camera before. 4. Ignoring/denying climate change, and pursuing short term profits by consuming natural resources, rather than lead on sustainable energy sources. Ignoring climate change, energy based on carbon extracted from the ground will run out someday. We need to have a replacement before it runs out, rather than after. If we invested in R&D like we did in the 60's (again, the GOP Golden Age) we would be further along.

The 4k60p is not as detailed as 4k24/25/30p - see https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr29_0=omsystem_om1&attr29_1=omsystem_om1&attr72_0=4k_60&attr72_1=4k&attr421_0=10&attr421_1=10&normalization=full&widget=850&x=-0.3659681831889651&y=-0.46405799840375833 10-bit UHD or C4K at 24/25/30p are the most detailed modes. 50/60p is noticeably softer/less detailed. 10-bit also uses the (better) HEVC/H265 codec. The Sandisk Extreme (non-Pro version) is also fine for 4k60p in my experience.

I was shooting cropped APSC with it, so not so much difference.

I tried it in a direct head to head with Lumix and personally found it trash. Perhaps trash is too harsh, but I just did not like it. I would probably have 'liked it' more if I did not have anything to compare it to, but I threw it in at the deep end on a job as a B cam to an S1H. Loved the camera otherwise!

NX1 one was the first camera that moved the needle following the GH4 which brought 4K to the masses at a cheap price for first time, and Samsung needed to stay the course, they are the only equal to Sony in terms of manufacturing capabilities... at least were, in 2014 anyway. I agree consistency is the problem, they chop and change too often. Imagine a full frame NX1 style camera from Samsung with IBIS, 10bit Samsung LOG, and all that custom hardware today, would really take the fight to Sony and Canon. I suppose the nearest we have today is what Nikon is doing.

New offer just popped up in my socials. $300 off the S9 and a free lens on the Panasonic site. Combined with some other deals this could be a reasonable price to get in for under $1k USD

I'll take two! (I think if you're an established rental house, with an existing long standing relationship with ARRI, then you can buy these. I've heard it's roughly is about a quarter million dollars? Massively more expensive than an ARRI 35, which is "only" eighty grand or so)