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What is Lumix thinking?!
Juank and one other reacted to newfoundmass for a topic
I'm more optimistic about Lumix than a lot of people. I think they will continue to release the best value cameras out there, the issue will be not just retaining their current users (regardless of which system they are invested in) but growing it. I think they can achieve that. I have seen signs that they've accomplished the latter somewhat with the S5II X. It has been more of a trickle than a flood, but there are people out there who switched from Sony to Lumix because of it. To continue that, they need to continue on the current path but radically change the way they communicate and market their product. That, for them, seems to be the hardest thing to overcome.2 points -
100% agree 100% hope not! But then as per my many previous ramblings, I am 100% covered for the rest of my career with what is available for now from LUMIX for video and for photo, if there does turn out to be nothing more, also already covered with Sony. There is not a single body or lens not currently made that I need or would ever wish for if it doesn’t happen. I’m good. Any future purchase now are just choice things to either make (work) life things a little easier or more fun. Need no longer exists.1 point
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What is Lumix thinking?!
Ninpo33 reacted to newfoundmass for a topic
It's not the lack of releases that is the issue, at least not for me, it's the lack of communication. They don't need to be like Sony, who releases a new camera every time there is a minor upgrade that could've been released as a firmware update. In fact I'd prefer they don't! But simply giving people an idea on what is in the pipeline would sure be welcomed. Tell people that S1, S1R and S1H successors are in the pipeline and give people a little meat to chew on. There's no reason not to, especially when the user base and many in the industry are nervous about the company's future in the marketplace. The silence reminds me of period between the GH5 and the announcement of the GH6 and why I moved on from M43 to begin with.1 point -
I hear everyone's lament about the lack of Panny releases and I too am concerned about how well they are positioned to continue - they certainly killed Varicam which at the time was very good and promised improvement. But I feel the criticism about longer periods without a flagship release (and the accordant undertones of feeling betrayed) is partly about being seduced by the market and the immediacy of contemporary capitalism than the tools themselves. My S1 is still killing it as my primary hybrid camera. Within months of its annoucement, I picked it and the 24/105 up and within a year three primes and this has been the best value return system I've ever owned. My only lament is the autofocus (unsurprising), which renders it virtually unuseable in lower lighting for event photography, etc. For my use I could switch to Canon (a C80 and R-something for stills) but the expense of buying into that system is just too much. I don't connect with Sony imagery. I've loved Nikon but they lost me with the Z6iii - I cannot imagine contending with the variable shadow noise while shooting in uncontrolled environments. (Honestly, if it were't for that issue, I'd strongly consider the switch to Nikon). And then I come back to the clean sensor and the color and the robustness of the Panny... If I'm not moved by their releases in the next two months, I will likely (finally) pickup an S5ii/x for low-light autofocus to have alongside my S1 for my hybrid work and, with money saved, get the 24/70 (finally) for that gorgeous microcontrast and leave it at that. Lastly, the hope of the Viltrox 28mm for L-mount actually has me holding on to my S5 body since I could perhaps sell it for $600 at this point. I never really liked the S5 beyond its sensor but I think it would be a great carry most everywhere body - throw-it-in-the-glovebox-and-not-care-much camera. Everyone is rushing to spend so much more than $600 for small cameras (generally with smaller sensors), espeically if your needs dictate an evf (mine do). Lastly, lastly, f'ing tethering to Capture One What The FFFFFFFFFF?! I had to pick up a Fuji X-H2 for proper tethering when needed. The Panasonic workarounds are cumbersome and glitchy. Looks like with the release of the S1Rii, there is a partnership with Capture One so hopefully that will be resolved going forward.1 point
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OM-1 best 10bit mode - Hybrid LOG Gamma better than OM-LOG?
Andrew Reid reacted to ac6000cw for a topic
I agree (and 10-bit UHD/DCI 24/25/30p are noticeably sharper). Yes (and for me one of its best features) - test results from this review: https://www.optyczne.pl/59.3-Inne_testy-OM_System_OM-1_-_test_trybu_filmowego_Użytkowanie.html (Google translated - Matrix = Sensor): Re. Natural versus HLG versus OMLog400 - these are contrast curves from the same review (in the 'Tonal Range' section here - https://www.optyczne.pl/59.3-Inne_testy-OM_System_OM-1_-_test_trybu_filmowego_Użytkowanie.html ). The differences are pretty obvious at the black end of the chart. Natural: HLG : OMLog400 :1 point -
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What is Lumix thinking?!
IronFilm reacted to Andrew Reid for a topic
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I guess the other two lens upgrades you are talking about are these: https://www.dpreview.com/news/9864806631/om-system-updates-17mm-and-25mm-f1-8-lenses-for-micro-four-thirds Small updates with adding weather proofing. Am glad that OM is not just releasing bodies but doing "something" for their lenses too. But it's very minimal. Is interesting what happened with sony vaio laptops vs what happened with IBM's Thinkpads when they sold them off Would be worthy of a Masters' dissertation or a research paper to dig deeply into how differently each of these two went, and others in related areas like Olympus vs OM Or a Fujifilm X-M5 / X-T50 or Zfc with an APS-C sensor for way less money. That thinking really doesn't work when you could just buy a Panasonic GH7 for the same price, or a G9 II for a lot less, or a secondhand OG G9 for waaaaay less. And still be using your MFT lenses.1 point
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OM-System OM-3.... Um!
IronFilm reacted to fuzzynormal for a topic
We could only be so lucky. I was really rooting for Olympus/OM because I enjoyed the EM5II and EM10III, and always wanted a PenF when it was released, but could never spend the $$ knowing I'd never have a use for it when it came to video.1 point -
Latest rumors claim an S1Rii announcement on Feb 25th with a second full-frame body announced in April. 😐1 point
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OM-System OM-3.... Um!
IronFilm reacted to John Matthews for a topic
For $2000, the build needs to be excellent. It looks good to me. Would I buy it? No, not at that price, but I'm no longer invested in M43- sadly because I really do love the mount. Also, I don't mind the utilitarian look of the non-retro cameras. However, I must say the OM-3 is probably going to hit the mark much better than the S9, another camera without a grip. Yes, the S9 is FF, but without smaller lenses and a proper mechanical shutter. The OM-3 just has so many lenses that work for it. IMO, it's the ecosystem that is, once again, the real strength of the OM-3- also it has most great features people want. The 17mm and 25mm look to be hits, once they're on promotion. I'm not of the opinion that OM System = cheap Chinese scam gear of the type you see on Amazon for $100. That's preposterous.1 point -
Leica LUX Grip For iPhone
Emanuel reacted to Andrew Reid for a topic
Nice idea, unpleasant pricing strategy. Did you see the Leica jacket they released? I think it's around £1000 for an anorak.1 point -
OM-System OM-3.... Um!
IronFilm reacted to Marcio Kabke Pinheiro for a topic
Now imagine if the Nikon Zf had the style based on this: They probably should stop making Z9s to keep up with the demand. 🙂1 point -
OM-System OM-3.... Um!
IronFilm reacted to Marcio Kabke Pinheiro for a topic
My two cents: kinda like the camera. Their design "template" is clear: want to surf the retro trend, and gone for mixing two templates; the OM-1 film camera (that I had) and the Nikon Zf (this one becomes clear for the absence of an AF joystick - the Zf don't have one either - that could be easily put on the AF-ON button). The strange width with came from the OM1 film camera, and at least they used it for putting the bigger battery. The no grip came from the retro OM1 film styling - and I kinda don't bother much, I always use an external grip when there is no big grip, but for who wants to go "full retro" could use it with as is. You could put a grip, but not remove one. Remember: this is for people that goes for style first. The price is unreal - but Olympus/OM always put insane prices at launch. In 2 or 3 months (except if this sells like hotcakes) this will drop to 1799. Still expensive, and if I was OM, would have changed this: - Stacked sensor was a bad choice in my view - is not a sports or fast action paced camera. The 20mp PDAF from the OM5 could easily be used (but people will cry IS A REHOUSED OM5, and maybe this sensor would not have the speed for all computational stuff), or even better the 25mp PDAF that Pansonic is using (but the development would be much harder, all the image pipeline shoud be remade). Both sensors are probably much cheaper than the stacked one; - Spend a bit of the difference in a 3,69mp EVF panel; - Another bit in a AF joystick on the AF-ON button location, put the AF-ON on the CP button location. - And another bit in firmware people the rewrite the video codecs. The huge resolution drop in the 8-bit modes are unexcusable (no other brand have it). And that's it. Would be a much better camera for the intended target, and probably cheaper.1 point -
OM-System OM-3.... Um!
newfoundmass reacted to MrSMW for a topic
I quite like it, but would I buy it? Nope. I'd rather have the OM5 or the original (digital) OM1 that was the last one to have OLYMPUS on the front. I do wish my Nikon Zf was more this size though as that's my only real niggle with it, - it's a bit large for what it is.1 point -
Panasonic's "drastic surgery"
IronFilm reacted to Andrew Reid for a topic
The A/V companies have already recently been restructured which is partly why the pro-AV releases are so low key, and there's no cinema camera line-up any more - this part of the business was essentially nuked and anything remaining merged into the consumer side. At least as I understand it, Panasonic will continue in consumer cameras... for now... but the professional side of things is ending. And the consumer cameras will be a very low priority compared to the higher-margin parts of the business like batteries and whatever the fuck they think AI is useful for. In the report the exec. uttered a very taboo word in the corporate world, which was "sentimental"... Shareholders don't get rich from sentimentality and culturally important products like TVs, cameras or hifi. They want the big growth areas and bubbles to rise up and take over, and for anything else to fade away including LUMIX. The top Japanese execs at Panasonic attach a high sentimental value to their top consumer products of the past like TVs and cameras. They want to continue. They are one activist shareholder away from being forced to back down on that and then we will see the end of LUMIX altogether.1 point -
I'd go for both FX30 and Osmo Pocket 3... Just sayin' ; ) Other than that, P4K and Ace Pro 2 are a must no less : ) My current fav ones. Without mention some other speciality captures devices or... Blackmagic 6K FF... with this, you're set on the Aussie manufacturer camp : D works like a charm straight to those who always claim for stabilised stuff ;- )1 point
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Panasonic's "drastic surgery"
Juank reacted to Andrew Reid for a topic
There are rumours that Leica are unhappy with Panasonic and might scope out a deal with Sony in future. Leica own the rights to L-mount so they can keep that and still go Sony, they don't have to take E-mount as well. Panasonic of all the camera companies aside from OM Shit and Ricohdear are most in danger of being really on the rocks. Like I say just one activist shareholder away from being less of a sentimental business. Less of an enthusiast enterprise, more of a topic of euthanasia.0 points -
In addition to the camera, three lenses were upgraded. Version II of their 100-400 zoom lens was introduced, which I was very interested in. I currently use the Lumix version a lot which is a terrible lens. Optically it is good for its price but can only be used with AF. the zoom and focus rings are practically unusable. impossible to get smooth movement, the plastic creaks and they go jerky. The optical quality of the new 100-400 OM zoom is the same as the old version (mediocre lens) but the big difference is in the stabilization: the first version had practically no stabilization because it did not communicate with the camera. This version interfaces with the camera's stabilization but... (the devil is in the details) the synchronization works only on OM bodies and not on Lumix cameras. Damn them forever! This is yet more proof of the uselessness of the M43 alliance. What is the point if the lenses and camera bodies are not 100% compatible among the various companies in the consortium? It really sucks, and despite investing heavily in the M43 system, I hope they fail permanently. Damn them!0 points