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Obviously we all want cameras with as little rolling shutter as possible, but there really isn't a major camera released in at least the last 10 years that I'd say has enough RS as to make it useless. Maybe in certain circumstances, like filming trains, fast cars, airplanes/helicopters or something? Everyone has their own standards, I guess, but out of all the issues I have with my S5II X the rolling shutter performance is pretty low on my list and there's really nothing about the camera overall that make me call it "unusable."

Like most here I am happy with S5 IIX. Rolling shutter is not a problem for what I shoot, 24Mpx are enough for photo and don't need 8K for video. I though that with S5 IIX can finally forget about cameras, relax and enjoy taking photos and videos. Now with all specs and some photos of Panasonic S1RII out, can feel GAS pressure increasing 🙂 Guess it is human psychology. Always wanting more. 🙂 Apart of the body which is basically a copy of S5 II, everything else is as I was hoping to be. Shutter closes to protect the sensor when changing lenses, Sony A7R V style LCD, 5Mln dots viewfinder and a switch for photo/video. Lack of top LCD screen is not a problem for me and third party grip to extend slightly the handle can solve potential issues with body ergonomics. Well done Panasonic. The best part about S1R II is that Panasonic is still in the game. We had some doubts after the long wait. I hope they stay longer in camera business, not only because I've bet on their camera bodies and L Mount in general but also because having more choices is always better for us users.

I don't know what some folks are doing (or smoking) but I've been shooting with S5II's since they came out and not experiencing all this crazy rolling shutter, moire, open gate long lens talk. I have at least 20 hours of total finished work on-line from just last year alone shot exclusively on S5II's in 6k open gate and if you can spot any of these issues, you have sharper eyes than I do. I just have my fingers crossed that the S1-2RXii is slightly more useable than the piece of shit S5ii. Because it's been holding me back and if only...

If you're shooting at 200mm handheld for long periods of time in video you should probably be using a monopod or at least a shoulder rig. I know there are situations where that isn't possible, but that's a pretty extreme scenario. That's a really high standard. We have to remember that these are still sub-$2000 cameras. From my perspective, as someone who started out in video 28 years ago, I look at a camera like the S5II X and am in awe at what this camera I paid $2000 for can do. I am in awe, really, at what any of these cameras can do because I never imagined I'd be able to own a camera with these capabilities. When I was 16 working for a local production company that had Canon XL1s I was literally giddy when I would use it! I didn't sleep the night before the first time I knew I was going to use one! Obviously we can't judge everything based on what was available/what we used when we first started, but it does make some of our complaints seem pretty silly considering how fortunate we are. The fact that a $2000 camera can even be mentioned in the same breath as an Alexa is pretty crazy.

If you view footage on a vectorscope, all human skin tones fall along a line between the reds and the greens (unless exposed with rgb light or whatever, this is assuming standard lighting). If they skew too far to one side, the skintones look green and sickly. If they skew too far the other way, they look pink and feverish. Too saturated and they look orange. Not saturated enough and they look pale. That's what is meant by "correct skin tones." When I was shooting Sony many years ago (like A7r -> A7s II era), I almost always had to drag them back from being too green. I hear they improved a lot shortly after I exited the system. And yes, I've shot positive film for years as well as negative film. One of the drawbacks that just about any photographer will say about positive film is that it lacks dynamic range, as you said. It's also why a majority of movies that are shot on film are shot with negative film. As to the rest, technical discussions of image quality are only useful (in a filmmaking context) if they support artistic and subjective goals. If you are an industrial technician looking for a new camera to put over a conveyor belt to detect defects in microchips as they go flying past, then by all means stick to a purely technical discussion of camera capabilities. The rest of us will be over here trying to make art with our limited skills and pseudointellectual ideas of what's important in filmmaking. 😉

Same here. If I were to think RS were a problem, I'd simply shoot in crop mode because it keeps up with everything in that mode. RS performance is way over-rated anyway. I've never said to myself "look at that crappy RS"! You only say that kind of thing in reviews and when you A-B test cameras.

My instinct based on absolutely nada evidence is that if Sigma do indeed announce a new camera in a couple of days, it will not be a fovean sensor. I am ready to enter into a hat eating contest (as long as the hat is of reasonable size and relatively hygenic) if it’s not the same 44mp sensor as this new PannyBoy. Seems too big a coincidence to me. If that is the case, it had better have IBIS and some form of tilt screen this time or I’d stick with the LUMIX offering. I really REALLY fancy a Sigma FP type camera but they have fallen short (well short) of my real world needs so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foveon_X3_sensor Tl;dr it captures RGB data at every photosite, instead of using a color filter array to capture RG or B at each photosite. Thus it does not require color interpolation, aka demosaicing, to reconstruct its color image. It's not as good as it sounds, however, because interpolating colors from the vertically stacked photosites is very complicated. The upside is less color moire, higher resolution per nominal pixel count, and arguably "better" color accuracy. The downside is that (with current technology), it has significantly lower SNR, sensitivity, and readout speeds.

I have the movmax + insulator version that came out before. I use it for Cars and MTB

Indeed. The technical capabilities of anything are worth diddly squat without human intervention and operation. At least until AI or alien intervention surpasses us and that may not be so far off but does not exist in February 2025. I only add the latter for context just in case by the end of the year, we have indeed been surpassed. Which is within the realms of possibility… 🛸

IF it is true, ie, that a new Sigma, possibly Fp camera is coming and if it is also true that LUMIX are not partnering with Leica and the SL-3 61mp (which we know is actually Sony and available in several other cameras) then maybe…just maybe, LUMIX and Sigma are partnering up and this new 44mp sensor is either a Sigma developed sensor or a collab? Now THAT might be VERY interesting… Same dates for the 2 announcements so even more likely?

https://www.l-rumors.com/exclusive-first-specs-of-the-new-lumix-s1rii/ Rumored spec from the comment section 44mp "high speed" sensor Can do 40fps (with electronic shutter) Can do 1.5 secs precapture RAW Open gate Price around $3500 8K opengate? I wonder will they have 8k60p as well?

With the right monopod, it's not that hard. With something like the Cobra 3 from iFootage, it takes a fraction of a second to change height. It sounds like you have a really specific use case based on your subject matter and your preferences for how you shoot. In that use case, rolling shutter is super important to you because the combination of IBIS+OIS on your body/70-200 lens leads to wobbly jello footage. As you are seeing from this thread, not everybody shoots that way. For most people, higher RS is fine. And keep in mind that is coming from a person with 3 GS cameras (Komodo X, Komodo, and E2-S6G). GS might lead me to choose them over my other cameras, but other things might lead me to choose the Ronin 4D - and with that, I will sometimes opt for the ~30-31ms readout mode that has higher dynamic range vs the ~16ms mode with standard dynamic range. I have yet to hear a complaint from anybody when I hand over the footage. One thing to consider for your use case is the use of something like a Ready Rig or Easyrig and a heavier camera body with a shoulder pad. The footage is more inherently stable when using a heavier body and with more points of contact.

If it’s something filters and technique can’t fix there’s always Kolari. Easy fix for a lot of people on the S5iix https://kolarivision.com/product/olpf-aa-filter-upgrade-for-panasonic-lumix-s1-and-s5-cameras/?srsltid=AfmBOopFsw5dPlgKUes_emPZ2SlZb_WExlwAj5PRubAwVK87j0VeSK6B

Six years ago we had S1R and S1H and all the rumours always talked about two new cameras and that the first to come out would be the photography-oriented S1R. Reading the leaked specs raises a question in my mind. What if Panasonic only released one camera? From the specs, it looks like it will be chock full of video features in pure Pana style.

Wow, the $1,200 LUMIX up to an Alexa is quite the jump. Yeah, just use your Alexa I guess since your discerning eye can’t deal with all of this rolling shutter on the S5ii. Just terrible, terrible images coming out of the LUMIX cameras these days.

To each their own. But talking about rolling shutter as being only a problem when shooting handheld at 200mm open gate is frankly ridiculous. RS impacts handheld motion at every focal length and whenever there is moderately fast movement in a scene. The Alexass are all sub 8m which is what is passable to my eyes. Once you go global shutter it’s hard to go back is all I can say. Your eyes don’t scan reality from top to bottom, left to right, do they? 😂😂😂

If you have your camera on sticks and not moving you won’t have a problem. But if you are hand holding with the lens at 200mm, shooting open gate , and are following someone walking on stage the rolling shutter / jello is very visible.

He's also been working out, so he's been gaining muscle, thus he's lost even more fat than that.

Nah, he was right. The phrase “3 singe most…” is really dumb. Plus to say the S5iix is “almost unusable” is also really dumb. That camera is obviously used by thousands of people on a daily basis with very good results. Do you constantly whip pan around while shooting video? RS can be an issue but in real life pro work it’s rarely a problem. For those types of shots you can drop down to S35 or just use a different camera for that shot. That’s one of the reasons we own a Fuji X-H2s but it rarely ends up getting used TBH. Same with moiré, not an issue 90% of the time but if you do shoot a lot of subjects where it’s an issue you can always have an OLP put in by Kolari and you’re good to go.

Sad to see that it appears the new Panasonic camera won't have this 😞 Ever since I first got to experience the joy of a top LCD display (ages ago when I started using my GF's Nikon D90) I've been saddened how most cameras lack this feature 😕 Wish this was more commonplace, and we should by now in 2025 (remember, this is a camera from 2008!) have brilliant, bright, color e-ink displays on the top of our cameras! So we can see at a glance all the vitally important camera info even if it is turned off.

Wow, this sounds extremely generic. Are you a bot? What do you mean correct skin tones? And have you ever shot positive film? Really huge dynamic range 😂 Regurgitating basic statements you’ve seen in the pseudointellectual “serious film making space” on YouTube like:“COmPoSitioN and liGhtiNg” is IMPORTANT, is absolutely void of any meaning in this discussion since I was talking about image quality from a technical point of view with regards to a particular camera, not an artistic and subjective one.

Yes, it’s not totally terrible or an absolute dealbreaker, but 61 beats 44 just as 100 beats 61! I’m looking at trading my 70-180 (plus 28-75 and maybe 20-40) against that 28-105 f2.8 Sigma, the only current ‘one & done’ lens I will consider. An APSC in camera crop at a flick of a switch, gives me 26mp 157.5mm (61mp sensor with Sigma 28-105) so already trading another 22.5mm at the long end over a heavier and bulkier, but same speed 70-200mm (ie, up to 42.5mm) so the question is…and I can’t do the maths, but can I live with something like a 16mp 180-200mm equivalent file from a 44mp sensor? For my needs, probably yes and the ‘one & done’ camera/lens combo has huge appeal. I could already do it with my A7RV by trading my 3 current lenses for the single Sigma, but feel the body is not quite right for such a lens without the full battery grip…which is an option, but not one I really wish to take. So spec aside, one of the most interesting and possibly deciding factors for me, will be how this new ‘S1-2RXii’ compares with the A7RV from a purely size, weight and ergo perspective…

I'll forgive Panasonic if they get this right in a big way, offer something really nice that rivals the Z8 but with real-time LUTs and a mechanical shutter. But merging S1H with the S1R series doesn't make sense. Let's hope there is an S1H Mark II also on the way with a lower 6K megapixel count and better low light, plus the other video goodies like ergonomics more suited for filming and e-ND of some sort. Then things might actually move forward in a creative way not just in terms of higher numbers on a sheet of paper. 44 megapixel I am fine with, rather have the speed than the difference between 44 (8K at Sony a1 Nikon Z8 standard) and 61 (also 8K but cropped and horrific rolling shutter)... in terms of stills 44 vs 61 we are talking 8K vs 9.5K... So not too much of difference even if you're cropping @MrSMW? 44-50 is a sweet spot I reckon. JUST PLEASE NOT IN AN S5 BODY!!!!

Assuming the rumors are correct, it looks more like a cheaper R5 ii competitor to me. If it's intended to be a replacement for both the S1r and S1h, it'll be interesting to see what the rolling shutter performance is like. The Sony IMX366AJK sensor 'stephen' mentioned above is rated for 120fps at DCI 4k, 12-bit readout (I guess using 2 x 2 pixel binning with a vertical crop, as it's a native 3:2 aspect ratio), and DCI 8k at 60fps:

With a mechanical shutter - that's a win for me. i would expect a more Panasonic set of codecs. I was put off by the Z8 due to it being electronic shutter only and the video codecs seemed to have a big hole in them between RAW, RAW Lite, ProResHQ and a dodgy H.265 implimentation.

Welcome back! 1.5, to 2 stops to the right is a good exposure. I wouldn't bother with zebra, false color, histogram, just use the exposure meter (less clutter over the shot then) Nice shot of the lake. What ISO was this? R6 II is clean basically anywhere under 6400