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i don't think they necessarily do. not to suck my own dick too much, but here's some stills of work I've shot that I mostly like (and one i dislike). some pocket 4k, alexa and fx6 in the mix. some still have a lut on, some are graded by me, and some are graded by someone else with my intentions as a DP taken away. feel free to guess which is which and why, since i feel like you guys love doing that.

Fashioned from a single piece of aluminium, internal storage, minimalist controls… It’s basically a full frame rebirth of the original Leica T isn’t it ? Well, minus an SD card slot or optional EVF. They are mad bastards and I salute them for it.

"it cuts out everything that distracts, limits, or stifle creativity". I didn't know a grip that helps me hold the damn thing distracts my creativity.

After checking last year's 1.5TB of footage from 60 shooting days or so, and editing it to a 15min HDR video, the IQ from GH6 and GH7 seems to be a bit better, i.e. calmer, compared to S5ii IMO, as over sharpening is not visible on M43. 6k open gate on S5ii can too look calm and good on some occasions, and it has the DR advantage on low light. Fingers crossed this S1Rii has both the IQ and even better DR, and I might swap back to L mount from Z6iii

They'll both be the Panasonic 'video flagships' of their respective lens mounts, basically, each with (in system terms) their own strengths - e.g. M43 lenses are generally somewhat smaller and lighter, FF has better low-light performance. For example, I regularly happily carry around a bird reserve an OM-1 plus Pana 100-300mm lens (total weight about 1.1 kg), but I'd never want to carry around an S5ii plus Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 (total weight about 2.8 kg). Both combos have the same FOV at the long end. At this point in time, I don't really see M43 and FF competing very directly with each other.

Never mind no; grip, IBIS, second card slots, 4k 60p and all that, this one doesn't even allow for any kind of video or photo capture but simply has a voice recording device so you can describe the scene or quote poetry.

No internal cdng. Fell to my knees inside B&H

Before your explanation I really thought you were talking about this guy

All footage we've shot was with Vlog on GH6, GH7 and S5ii. I did not even try the Cined color profiles after reading they were even worse. The best way to describe the problem is that with original S5 you kind of wondered whether you needed to add a tad of sharpening even though footage looked perfectly ok already in Resolve. With S5ii it was like, damn that is maybe too sharp. We shoot mostly climbing, so there is a lot of rock in most of the clips we take, and too sharp rock surface makes the frame look busy fast. If I get the video finally edited I might share the link here as half of it is shot with GH6, GH7 and S5ii with many spherical lenses and one anamorphic lens, and the rest is shot with Z6iii. Though, looking a climbing video even from IQ perspective might be a bit boring if you are not a climber. 😅 Here is a frame grab from Z6iii 6k50p NRaw, one GH7 5.7k50p frame, one S5ii 6k25p open gate macro frame and another S5ii 4k50p frame. The frames are only around 3000 × 1500 to keep file sizes small.

I think the name says it all. Specs aside this is the most « think different » camera from an engineering and UI perspective I’ve seen in a while. Very ZX1 reminiscent with the monolith design and aluminium unibody is right out of the Apple Johnny Ive MBP / iPhone 5 playbook. You gotta give it to Sigma for always bringing something different to the table. The Fp was already impressive with its compact solid construction and minimalist approach and this takes it to the next level. Personally I still prefer the modularity of the Fp-L with optional EVF etc but this Bf is stunning in an ultra minimalist way. Spec-wise it’s more a mixed bag but this is more form over function. It’s nice they gave us 6K and L-log but a real shame they took away video DNG Raw, especially considering it’s got internal storage. But I think this is more a premium lifestyle and photography oriented camera. Curious to know if it shoots 10-bit. Probably not because of heat management like the previous compact Fp’s..

Yes - a mere 4kg and 470mm long (and $6000!)... 😉 (but actually the 315mm long, 2kg M43 OMDS 150-400mm f4.5 TC1.25x IS PRO Lens is even more expensive - £6700 in the UK)

Or check out the newly announced Sigma 300-600mm f/4 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1881815-REG/sigma_598969_300_600mm_f_4_dg_os.html An easy all day carry around lens indeed! 😉 https://www.dpreview.com/news/0835876793/sigma-announces-the-ultra-telephoto-300-600mm-f4-dg-os-sports-lens For the APS-C shooters, then Simga also announced a Sigma 16-300mm f/3.5-6.7 for only $699: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1881813-REG/sigma_887975_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_7_dc_os.html

Worth a new topic! I'll split this one and can continue there with the BF. This is the perfect niche camera It's exactly what you do when you are not trying to do a Sony Clone like Panasonic are. There's no point Sigma trying to do a mass appeal Sony a7 clone and they know it - they know they can't compete in the worktool business with Canon, Nikon, Sony. So why not do something fun instead. Perfect. I do wish they would put IBIS and EVF in there, or at least in a higher-end version. But it has far more sex appeal than the Panasonic S9 doesn't it?

Well, the GH7 shooting package will be both lighter, and probably merely half the price.

I kind of like the ultra-minimalist look/design and simplicity, but the $1,999 is way too high. Sell it for half that and... maybe. If anything, this announcement makes me take another look at the S9 and the X-M5.

More like a carbon copy of the Zeiss ZX1 minus the fixed lens. That camera was a smash hit.

I have to hand it to Sigma for trying new and different designs. This is probably a niche product, but the design seems like the antithesis of Panasonic design. The Sigma BF seems "industrial," more like a solid chunk of metal straight from the machine shop and forgetting that a human is going to touch it. The Panasonic is about the human hand and practical at all cost. It's great to have L-mount as no other mount has this type of variety of design. We now have classic design (Panasonic), minimalist design (Leica), and ultra-minimalist, "industrial" design (Sigma). Also, this should bode well for more pancakes which makes me happy.

From the look of it, I'm just happy that the S1rii definitely doesn't sound like a BS update where everyone will be saying "that could have been done with a firmware update." Sure, they don't release very often, but when they do, they make the most of it. Now, give us some pancakes. Objectively, the S1rii will become the "video camera" over the GH7 in the line-up. It makes me wonder where M43 is going to go after this.

This along with 2 other factors, might swing it: 2. In camera crop markers which my current Sony does not have. 3. High quality matching super slow mo. Otherwise, I agree with several others in this thread and that is I don't think this one is intended as 'The Video' one but like most cameras these days, has to have at least decent video spec. The pure photographists will moan about that all over the interwebs, but they are just being unrealistic about the market `and what manufacturers have to do these days.

What an ergonomics nightmare. Unless you want it on tripod all the time, then its a fixed display and not high res enough for landscape. Quoting Kasey: "what are you doing?".

It works perfectly and if I decide to sell it, I will let you know and with pictures! I got a filter adapter ring stuck and had to use a pair of pliers to remove it causing some damage to the thread which then meant in order to use a filter again, I had to use some of that black weld stuff to adapt a new filter adapter.. I don't even really notice it as it's all black on black on black, but it meant I kept the thing rather than sell it. I still might keep it as a 'walkabout lens' though as currently the S9 with it is my best answer to having a compact EDC...

Sigma being weird again. Gotta love em. I wonder how L-log will perform and be supported by third party..would be nice if they brought it to the FP

Its more like a successor for Z7ii Nikon would make, rather than Z8 competitor.

Being different for the sake of being different is not a good business plan. $2000 for a S9 clone while being more limited than S9 is crazy.

Depends on the editor and how "basic" you mean. On my M2 Max, Resolve does a decent job with 8K raw lite and chugs a bit with 8K raw standard from the R5, also depending on which decode thingie I choose in the raw processing tab. Canon's 8k raw standard is notoriously brutal. (Though proxies are always an option!)

I dunno, from the post from the other day, it sounds like it's not not video-centric to me... > Apple ProRes RAW HQ can be recorded internally at 5.8K at 30p on CFexpress Type B cards or an SSD hard drive connected via USB. RAW videos can even be output to external recorders in 8K via HDMI. It'd be a little weird for Panasonic to include 5.8K PRR and 8K raw over HDMI on a more photo-centric camera. Seems more like a camera that's really trying to target the Z8/Z9 and R5 series, the do-everything hybrid camera that can take high resolution photos all day and switch to professional 8K video modes with no other equipment. The GH7 is the only other Panasonic camera that I can think of which can do internal raw - and they'd call that a video flagship.

yes, so i hear uhhh, yes. isss my basic mbp gonna be able to handle 8k raw in any way orrr. feel like i would need to add a new computer to that order lol

Maybe evidence Panasonic is saving that for a more video-centric camera? From the specs so far it's not a particularly video centric camera, but if they've gone through the trouble of making a video-first iPhone app, then probably there's another camera on the way. Certainly the rumor sites seem to think so. And while we're on the subject, a proper video monitoring app is huge! That is one of my absolute favorite features of Z Cam. We'll see if Panasonic deliver. If I can have wireless, full HD monitoring with reasonable latency on 2-3 devices simultaneously, that's an immediate, massive plus. I'm really hoping for a BS1H successor now!

Which in an about flip from everything I posted above, is something else I am also considering because there are a couple of ‘niche’ things I am thinking about bringing into my capture and edit that I cannot currently do, but this new boy would allow and all within one single system which has great appeal. I would not flip one of my S5ii’s or my S9 for that ‘need’, but the S1Rii might just cover that off despite being a primary stills option for me…

The video specs look pretty good. Quite versatile.

Not all about, but quite important. The OG S5 was/is awful. The S5ii better. A7RV better still. The S1H best I have had to date. But no, along with the crop markers, not a sufficient reason to change! If I stick with Sony for my stills, I might just switch my lenses though from; 20-40, 28-75 and 70-180 f2.8 Tamron’s for the Sigma pairing of; 28-105 f2.8 for all things outdoors plus 28-45 f1.8 for everything in. I do need something faster indoors and have been eyeing the latter lens for some time and that pairing on the 61mp offers some decent cropping which just about allows for the loss of the 70-180. If I flip my lenses… I think I’d have to chuck my Zf into the equation to make it work financially as that was going to be my lower light lens with ‘something’ f1.8 or faster. I do have the E-Z adapter so could otherwise keep the Zf and all 3 Tamron lenses and not flip them for the 28-105. Decisions decisions decisions… But not until or just after the 25th because Sigma might just be about to throw a grenade into the mix.

I have worked with Red cameras all the way back from Red ONE, every Alexa camera except the 65 and Sony Venice 1 and 2. The reason that stuff shot on those cameras look better is because of the people using them. They're in a point in their career where working with reliable and professional customer supported camera-systems is necessary to deliver the expected level of craftmanship. If we're only talking about gathering data on the sensor, more than 95% of people can't tell the difference from a Pocket 6K and an Alexa Mini if handled by a professional DP. Yes rolling shutter, yes highlight latitude, but those are extremes. One camera stands above the rest and that is the Alexa35 - i haven't been able to overexpose that camera yet, and it's built like a tank.