Andrew Reid

Fascinating Ed. My opinion: Loos like Jim Jannard went after Apple over RAW and this then landed on his door step. Apple has a lawyer British imaging scientist on $600 per hour Hunter just became the hunted.

Fear is a man's best friend.

What I want to understand is: NAB unveil in 2006 - did RED mention compressed RAW here, or at IBC later same year? Did Jannard mention the specs in interviews in 2005/2006? Did RED take sales based on a camera with this capability? First non-provisional REDCode & camera system patent application was in 2008. So what JT is saying is that if a company exhibits their work or sells it 1 year before patenting then it's prior art, admittedly their own prior art, but public domain as far as the patent office is concerned...

Fun off topic thread but how about we create one that's more relevant to the forums, like posting a picture of your editing rig and desk? :) I can start one off if you like.

I thought the patent is an entire camera system, not just the codec? Filing date is 2008. When was the 6:1 or greater compression first demonstrated or sold? Were the first RED ONE cameras sold on basis that they had no RAW capabilities whatsoever? How about the Made In USA part of Jinni's claims? Not assuming guilt on either side or disparaging RED but I am eager to learn what the facts are, it's an interesting case. For the record I fully support the technical work done by Mr Nattress on the codec, it's a superb achievement and it deserves to be as successful as it is. But I just think RED need to chill out, drop the case vs Jinni, apologise over way they treated me, and start going about improving their relations.

Soon I'll put the link to the vote on the front page of the blog to drum up some more people to take part and vote. Then let's close the poll around Saturday-ish and do the big reveal of gear. Get some photos of the gear and post it. I'll do the same and reveal what I shot. I made two videos with two different cameras. Then the winner of the public vote gets the last place person's camera If he wants to give it him. We're not going to force it out of his hands This is supposed to be a bit of fun really. Then I'll choose a winner of the judge's prize, who will get one of my cameras.

A drive that is the best of the best and highest price would do that. Doesn't it say in the RED patent compressed 6:1 minimum? So I assume 3:1 Cinema DNG or 5:1 compressed RAW is not covered by the RED patent? Also 2K minimum, so RAW 1080p wouldn't be covered either. What prior art is the RED patent based on? CineForm? Russian Kinor camera tech?

Sony https://doddlenews.com/reds-jannard-speaks-out-on-sony-lawsuit/ Updated 2012 RED camera system / raw codec patent document https://www.scribd.com/doc/125170172/Video-camera-US-patent-8174560 Wooden Camera cages and V-mount http://cinescopophilia.com/red-sues-wooden-camera/ "Sunglasses are mentioned quite a few times throughout the claim"

There's supposed to be Hydrogen 2 coming and surely RED would rather Komodo used that as a screen, rather than the Atomos that allegedly infringed their patents for years.

Interesting to note the Atomos deck. No RED Touch?

"Failure to file a patent application within the one-year period will result in the invention being passed onto public domain, where it will no longer be eligible for a patent." https://definitions.uslegal.com/o/one-year-rule/ https://www.studiodaily.com/2019/01/red-atomos-settle-patent-dispute-promise-integrated-recording-products-come/ http://www.studiodaily.com/2018/12/atomos-goes-public-australian-securities-exchange/ So if the patent is invalidated, will RED refund Atomos backdated licensing fees?

Backstory is becoming very wide knowledge. 1.6m views

Which RAW codecs did these use?

UPDATE: 2 provisional patents, one was filed April 11th 2007 and other in December 2007. Tick the clock backwards 12 months from December 2007 and RED camera was publicly discussed and on sale according to JT's video. This doesn't seem to be his conjecture, rather historical, factual information from the internet, forums and Jannard interviews, where RED publicly display and demonstrate the technology later patented. Be it NAB 2006 (sales) or IBC 2006 (exhibit) or initial tests and the stuff from 2005... It's all out there. In JT's video he points to RED putting up "sold out" signs at NAB 2006 for instance which is more than 1 year before one of the provisional patents the final one relied upon, and 2 years before the final patent was granted. Of course I'm not a lawyer and would encourage anyone to look only at the facts before jumping to opinions, myself included, which is what I am doing! When it comes to the fine details of the law, I am making no claims until I know the facts. Yes JT could be wrong and RED could have a perfectly legal and valid patent, and that would be the end of the discussion. It's for the FTC to decide... Also over the Made in USA claims. I won't be taking a firm opinion either way yet. But I do want people to keep on examining the facts and understanding the info, and we have free speech so are able to do that. RED should apologise for me for the forced settlement agreement terms and the impact this had on my blog and free speech. I want internal compressed RAW in many more of our cameras. It's important RED's patents are checked and their behaviour held to account. If they are invalid, it has huge consequences. RED should be allowed to put their side of the story in response to this video and I invite them to do that here, not just play the distraction game with Komodo.

Where's that photo from? Putin's patent office?

Don't mention the communists to Jim!! Ironic choice of music Mr Jinni Tech.

It is widely known in the camera industry that RED owns a key patent for a cinema cameras featuring compressed RAW. It is also alleged the technology has featured in a number of past legal claims RED have had over rival camera companies. Now third party accessory manufacturer Jinni Tech alleges RED "deceived the US patent office" and filed the critical patent late. Read the full article

Voting now open

heart0less The Citadel Park Kye The most cinematic video ever made AND A rainy morning mrjim Bexhill July 2019 Snowfun Good Morning Esguelha $200 challenge entry Michi Homestar Kevin aaa123jc A Trip to Hong Kong Disneyland Framed By Dan theraywong mkabi Nordee Wronzoff TrueIndigo PannySVHS Sama Kotka Matias Mayolo m.maksym Better together anax276 The Garden Leslie Apples Well done to everyone who contributed. I had a lot of fun watching the results come in. I had some fun shooting my own as well, but I've not edited it yet and decided to let the competition vote run without my entry for now. In the main blog post coming out, you'll see what I bought and what I got up to. I'll let the vote run for a few days, then we can reveal the cameras which is the even more fun part Please vote once for your favourite of the videos (and not your own!!) - no gaming the system If I missed anyone on the list, let me know.

Maybe it's a patents exchange. RED probably allowed Canon to carry on providing RAW.

What happens in Resolve 16 Beta when you try and edit the 6K BRAW? Is it just choppy performance? Or complete crash? Windows or Mac? Do you have any original files to share so we can get to the bottom fo why that's happening? Cheers for the review Dave! I'll post it to front page as well.

Nearly done putting every video into a poll. Took ages! Hopefully get everything tied up tomorrow. Cheers for waiting!

It's a numbers game, yes, but still braindead. I am just not sold. 85" utterly dominates a normal room. It's an omnipresent black mirror. 65" is my limit. Most people's limit is 55". Bigger number not always better. There is barely any 8K content at the moment worth watching. Most TV is still 1080p. There is no big amazing image quality difference between 8K content at 85" and 4K content at 85" when you are watching at normal viewing distances. I've seen the same Samsung 85" you did. Nobody watches TV from 1-2ft away from an 85" screen. When it comes down to the real world all these numbers are meaningless. For displays, motion cadence matters more and nobody talks about it. For going large, projectors are more cinematic than large TVs. Colour, HDR, 10bit, contrast, matter more than resolution on an LCD panel for the living room. Resolution matters most on a desktop monitor with close viewing distance, not in the living room. Whole industry shift to 8K is flawed and will end like 3D did.

Braindead numbers game.

I ignore all chart tests for colour. Lab accuracy doesn't equal best colour science!