Andrew - EOSHD

It's an interview with Frank M. Snowden, professor emeritus of history and the history of medicine at Yale. So let's hear him out. "One way of approaching this is to examine how I got interested in the topic, which was a realization—I think a double one. Epidemics are a category of disease that seem to hold up the mirror to human beings as to who we really are. That is to say, they obviously have everything to do with our relationship to our mortality, to death, to our lives.... "They show the moral relationships that we have toward each other as people, and we’re seeing that today. "The main part of preparedness to face these events is that we need as human beings to realize that we’re all in this together, that what affects one person anywhere affects everyone everywhere" "and we need to think in that way rather than about divisions of race and ethnicity, economic status, and all the rest of it." "I had done some preliminary reading and thought this was an issue that raises really deep philosophical, religious, and moral issues. And I think epidemics have shaped history in part because they’ve led human beings inevitably to think about those big questions." "The outbreak of the plague, for example, raised the whole question of man’s relationship to God. How could it be that an event of this kind could occur with a wise, all-knowing and omniscient divinity? Who would allow children to be tortured, in anguish, in vast numbers?" "It had an enormous effect on the economy. Bubonic plague killed half the population of full continents and, therefore, had a tremendous effect on the coming of the industrial revolution, on slavery and serfdom. Epidemics also, as we’re seeing now, have tremendous effects on social and political stability. They’ve determined the outcomes of wars, and they also are likely to be part of the start of wars sometimes. So, I think we can say that there’s not a major area of human life that epidemic diseases haven’t touched profoundly." *** Well I saw it myself in Barcelona. The different approaches from different people. I'll give you some characters I met, and their response. Had I stayed longer, I would have filmed them and made a documentary. When I travel I prefer backpackers hostels (at least good ones) to hotels as you save money and get to meet interesting people. The facilities are hotel standard anyway and some of them are like fancy apartments. A great way to travel. In one I met the French hostel owner, whose first priority was safety of his staff... he sent them all home, but kept a few guests on who had no flight and nowhere else to go. A good man, he didn't panic... didn't put himself first...he risked his own wellbeing to help me. Barcelona Garden Hostel in city centre, if you're curious. I will be going back once this is over and saying thanks. And my response to the crisis there told me something about me. I wanted to stay, I took unnecessary risks, didn't book a flight home even though I knew trouble was coming. I think in hindsight it was foolish. I booked 3 hostels at once when things were really locking down, so if one closed, I'd have somewhere else to stay. Contingency plan! I wasn't going to leave it up to God to decide whether I would be homeless, using GFX 100 as a hammer to crack open coconuts for dinner. Another character were staff in a different hostel, who tried to charge me double for a room if I wanted to stay there as a backup plan... any excuse basically to make a profit from a pandemic and public health crisis. Other people I met, were panic stricken. One girl in tears, afraid of losing her job. Some hostels and hotels were rejecting new customers... didn't give a crap. Some just sacked their staff on the spot, sent home with nothing. Britannia hotel chain in the UK today did not just sack a ton of people, they flung them out of their accommodation too. Tells us a lot about some businesses and why they should be allowed to go broke in a crisis... No bailout from taxpayer for them, give it to the staff they treat as disposable, instead. There were people joking about the pandemic. I didn't mind it. But sometimes seems insensitive. In a supermarket, shelves empty, elderly old wise cracking Spanish man came up to me with the wheezing laugh like in the meme, something I didn't understand but definitely about toilet paper. Very amusing. Other times, some American tourists, acting like they were immune and to hell with everyone else, being jokey and insensitive around so many people worried for their jobs and health, just made me sick to the stomach to be honest. So yes, the Yale guy is right. It is going to tell us some deep truths about our character, our values, our societies by the time this is all over.

Here we fucking go again. If we can read the article and identifiy the facts in it, and comment on those rather than any politics, we might start the thread off in a more interesting way. Otherwise it'll have to be canned like the last one. Can we do it??

There is already a general sticky thread for lenses So closing this one now Cheers

Ironically Japan and China are soon to be safest places to go to avoid coronavirus and stupid people.

Yes looks every bit as bad as expected... Honestly looks like total muck. Contrast is your friend. Look at lighting in Citizen Kane.

I'd like to hear your stories from Japan as well...Lemon Camera, any rare stuff you came across, and the story of the Brits all taking their masks off because they listened to Boris! I can keep a secret, I just won't tell anyone I am keeping a secret. On way back the GFX 100 got melon juice spilt on it due to Ryanair forcing me to put my lunch in my camera bag. Smells nice and fruity Shutter is a bit sticky though

I don't know how much longer I can survive here... All the camera stores are closed. Only the night before I saw some rare Canon FD lenses behind a shutter, and this was the tipping point. Got a Ryanair back last night. Barcelona is a truly wonderful place. In Barcelona people were acting sensibly, responsibly, in an adult manner. I am now in the UK. The place has gone completely to shit! So now my escape from doom to hell is complete, at least I'll have plenty of time to write that F1 / GFX 100 blog post, S1H review, @BTM_Pix secret projects and panic shopping. Thankfully the plane even had a pilot. At one point I thought I might have to fly it myself. At least I had plenty of leg room on board.

Last month I made a trip to Barcelona to film the Formula One circus in town for the pre-season test. This, it turned out would be the last time the 2020 F1 cars would run. When a McLaren team member tested positive for the virus at the first race in Australia, the race was called off. In a twist of fate I met McLaren CEO and team boss Zak Brown in track grandstand and watched the new car in action before crisis hit - now we might never know how fast the car was versus the likes of dominant Mercedes and Ferrari. Read the full article

Right that's enough. I am ashamed of some of you, quite frankly.

I am putting my foot down in this fucking thread. eleison is no longer welcome. Can't allow racism here, even when it's in disguise as patriotism. If he rejoins I will track him and take legal action against him for damaging the reputation of my forum and site. We can't allow the forum to descend into toxic bullshit. It's as simple as that.

Looks like we have another Trump troll heading for the bot farm from which they came. What a shit stirrer. A ban is coming on at least 10 members because you are basically toxic people. I am not going to sit here and let you turn the forum toxic with your racism and America First fuck the rest of us delusion. You will need the Germans when the vaccine is ready. You need the British when you want a camera forum, apparently. But being grateful or thankful apparently isn't a part of your brain that lights up very much. Therefore you don't deserve to be a member of this forum. It's that simple. Enjoy your time here while it lasts because I am going to blanket ban toxic thickos tomorrow. For the other idiots and patriot racists who are coming out of the woodwork, you're time's up. Camera forums deserve a basic morality going on. If you are trying to gain exclusivity over a coronavirus remedy, it's nothing more than a profit grab and a death sentence for others. The science community is a global one. All important science needs to be a world effort especially with a pandemic like this. People are slowly realising what America First really means and what does this for America's image in the world. It fucking tarnishes it, to say the least. You have a President who is destroying any remaining appeal of American identity and idealism in the eyes of 80% of the world's population. Be a good neighbour and you may get a German or Japanese coronavirus medicine at the same time as the rest of us. And if you think your own people and flag is so much better than the others, develop your own fucking vaccine. Like I say, I have tolerated gobshites all my life but time's up. Yes I do remember the behaviour on the Titanic. Having an exclusive deal on a pandemic vaccine isn't IN YOUR FUCKING BEST INTERESTS YOU FUCKWIT You really are as fuckwitted as it gets... aren't you? You consider shafting the world some kind of "victory" You don't live in a fucking bubble. You are a human being on planet Earth before you're an American.

Good people don't defend a US president who wants exclusivity on coronavirus medicines. Any Trump supporter needs from now on to explain why they support a guy who just tried to murder millions of over 60's outside America. Still waiting for Mercer to offer his explanation but he's dodging it. But yes, Berlin supermarkets are fucking terrible. Always have been. Thanks for the reminder!

If you listen carefully you can hear the sound of some grapes mumbling bitterly about Nikon, Fuji and Olympus cancelling on Photokina 2020. There may even be a bit of revenge in there, a very subtle German one. I've no sympathy for the management of Photokina.

what part of this makes any sense though. It's not long ago they wanted to go to one every year... Come 2022 it will be 4 years since the last Photokina! Bit of a u-turn isn't it??

By September 2020 flights to Japan will be $10 so see you there for the sake

Ah well. At last some good news though.... Huawei has a great coronavirus treatment ready to sell to Trump for $666 billion Only one side effect, it puts a billion spy cameras up his arse. But Trump is the sacrifice we all need to make in order to get better. Let's sell him out to the Chinese as soon as possible so we can benefit from their science.

It's not like Trump acts like an animal fending for himself and his nest is it... No. You are in denial my friend.

If you support your president you support his actions. At the very least you agree with his central belief of American superiority over others, to the point of depriving me in the UK of a coronavirus vaccine. The Germans and Japanese are the ones coming up with medical breakthroughs... innovation which will save the life of my mum and potentially millions more people... You need to wake up and realise what AMERICAN FIRST means for the rest of us and how fucking selfish it makes you look.

Which bit of Trump do you support and which bits not? did you support the bit last week when he tried to deprive my mum of a coronavirus vaccine?

If Trump had his way he'd be making a profit on that $1 billion he offered the Germans Sharing out the vaccine around his rich pals Mercer you'd be fucking dead. And yet you're his cheerleader. Quite amazing.

How do Trump supporters feel about trying to steal the coronavirus vaccine from the rest of the world? Satisfied? Smug? Winning?

Same as normal then!?

That's because I am form owner and editor, You ain't. Sony have a vaccine but you have to enter the main menus to find it. Trump has offered the Japanese $2 billion for it, so fuck the rest of us. Coronavirus vaccine is only for those with good teeth and blue eyes who work in banking. We'll just have to get ours from the Germans!

It's not like Trump has ever encouraged yelling or denigrating members of other parties or religions is it.

BUH BYE #photokina photokina 2020 is cancelled After intensive consultation, Koelnmesse GmbH has decided to cancel photokina 2020, originally planned to be held 27 to 30 May 2020. The next instalment of the leading international trade fair for photography, video and imaging will be presented from 18 to 21 May 2022. The Imaging Innovation Conference will not be celebrating its première in 2020 as originally planned; a new date will be coordinated. In general the management team of Koelnmesse has decided not to organise any own events on the part of Koelnmesse until the end of June 2020. This decision is supported by the crisis management team of the City of Cologne, which also recommended in its meeting on 18.03.2020 to cancel the trade fairs during this period. This also happens against the background of the agreement reached on 16.03.2020 between the German federal government and the governments of the German states – laying down common guidelines for dealing with the coronavirus epidemic and explicitly including the general closure of trade fairs and exhibitions. This impairs the planning security for Koelnmesse and the participants of the trade fairs in Cologne far beyond the scope of the current scenarios. With this early announcement, Koelnmesse wants to give its exhibitors and visitors planning security. The decision not to host the next edition of photokina until May 2022 was made with in view of several factors: Even before the appearance of the coronavirus, the imaging market was already subject to strongly dynamic movements. This trend will now gain momentum and must be factored into plans for the upcoming photokina. Added to this is the fact that our customers’ resources are already under heavy strain in 2021 – as a result of general economic trends as well as rescheduled events on the global trade fair calendar. The orientation towards 2022 gives everyone involved time enough to design the next photokina with an eye to the needs of the market, and of our exhibitors and visitors. Kai Hillebrandt, Chairman of the Photo Industry Association [Photoindustrie-Verband e.V. (PIV)]: “It goes without saying that PIV completely stands behind the decision taken by Koelnmesse to cancel photokina 2020. The health of exhibitors and visitors is top priority at the moment. As the conceptual sponsor of photokina, we will do our utmost to assist the Koelnmesse with the planning of the next edition of photokina.” Koelnmesse – Global Competence in Digital Media, Entertainment and Mobility: Koelnmesse is an international leader in organising trade fairs in the Digital Media, Entertainment and Mobility segments. Trade fairs like photokina, DMEXCO, gamescom, gamescom asia, INTERMOT and THE TIRE COLOGNE are established as leading international trade fairs. Koelnmesse not only organises trade fairs in these areas in Cologne, but also in other growth markets like, for example, China, Singapore and Thailand, which have different areas of focus and content. These global activities offer customers of Koelnmesse tailor-made events in different markets, which guarantee sustainable and international business. Note for editorial offices: photokina photos are available in our image database on the Internet at www.photokina.com in the “News” section. Press information is available at: www.photokina.com/Pressinformation If you reprint this document, please send us a sample copy. photokina in Social Media www.facebook.com/photokina www.instagram.com/photokina www.twitter.com/photokina