Andrew Reid

Thanks for the spot. I checked Mark's facebook page and it's case closed. Front paged it https://www.eoshd.com/2019/06/supposed-nikon-8k-camera-footage-was-actually-shot-on-red-monstro-vv/

These are two separate stories. The YouTuber guy claims the Canon with the Sigma 18-35 T2 was shooting 8K to an Atomos Shogun via Dual link SDI. It's only his word we have and absolutely zero proof. Either way it's old news as I think Canon has had a C300-type 8K prototype at various shows for years. The Nikon story is also pure conjecture. Zero proof or evidence. Nikon ambassadors probably shoot stills on a Nikon but 8K on a RED. I wouldn't read much else into it.

Yes we'll continue to hook laptops up to third party displays. Or be stuck with non-upgradable iMacs. Apparently Apple forgot about us and went after Sony Pictures instead!

Yes the whole point of ML for me, is that the images are artistic, low-fi, messed-up, film like, amazing to grade... The opposite of modern 8K digital. No matter how good our expensive full frame mirrorless cameras get, there will always be a place for a ML raw video or Digital Bolex Super 16

Couldn't agree more! Now the bar has been raised, it really is time for internal BRAW, ProRes RAW, ProRes 422 and internal NDs. First one to bring all that to a full frame mirrorless camera will sell a boat load if it's priced right. The internal ND should also have an Auto mode like FS5. None of that old filter wheel mechanical stuff. Does anyone know the patent status of that material? Maybe there is a secret market out there where a bloke sits in a room with a RED Monstro 8K VV and makes a TON of money shooting 8K stock footage of plants, birds and the occasional duck??!

See looking at the feedback here, they have missed a huge market for a more reasonably priced version. I want an upgradable modular desktop Mac for a bit more money than a high-end PC. Fed up of iMacs and laptops. Apple have changed a $3000 dustbin into an unobtainable $50,000 investment in computer hardware that becomes more and more obsolete with every year that passes. The thing is going to depreciate in value faster than a new diesel BMW.

Apple Mac Pro Prototypes:

Hmm https://www.eoshd.com/2019/06/apple-targets-red-users-hollywood-and-corporations-with-controversial-new-10000-mac-pro-system-and-6k-display/ So this machine is kind of a tactic admission by Apple they lost the prosumer desktop market to Windows PCs and have given up ever trying to get it back. So they are aiming at pro businesses and studios, not individuals. If you are an individual who can afford to drop over $11k in one go on a base spec Apple computer + 6K screen, and perhaps more like $18,000 if you want the better specced versions, you are very lucky indeed and in an absolutely vanishingly tiny minority!! It beats me why they did not also announce a $2k upgradable modular desktop for the rest of us??? Or does it... PCs, that's why. But I want Mac OS and I am pretty upset at having to stick with comparatively slow iMacs and MacBooks for so many years. The 2013 Mac Pro is a bit of a bad joke in performance terms in 2019 by the way, so that's not an option either.

Do you think Sony's sales have been overstated then? Maybe they are not quite as dominant as we think. Poll would suggest EOSHD community is far more of a Panasonic and even Fuji crowd. It really is very surprising more EOSHD forum users answering this poll use a Pro Camcorder than A7 III!! Maybe results will change given more time and exposure. Might put the poll on a front page blog post and give it more attention.

Biggest surprise of the poll so far is this. Had expected much more Sony users.

Good test. Is the Zomei really that soft? Could be a good AA filter for Magic Lantern on 5D2 and 70D if so... Then it would be doubly a bargain

Yes. Wasn't possible before. 5D II as well although not with DPAF. They didn't crack the 80D yet so 70D is one of a kind. Another frame grab, not upscaled.

Indeed, but now we have 10bit, 12bit, 14bit lossless as well as SD card overclock. Therefore you can do almost max res 1920x1080 on the 70D at 50MB/s in 14bit lossless. What's the current max res (full sensor) on the 7D?

How's the ZCam E2 working out? Any good?

Some 14bit lossless frames from my 70D. No sensor crop, full width Super 35mm. Continuous with SD UHS hack (approx. 50MB per sec) It's very filmic. No anti-aliasing filter used, just classic EF 28-70mm F2.8 with ND. Digital Bolex with AF finally here! What are the advantages of the 7D? One more... Seems VAF isn't even really needed! (all frame grabs exported from DNGs as upscaled 4K JPEGs)

I'll do a comparison between the 5D II, 70D and EOS M. In both full sensor and crop modes. The EOS M sure is good for c-mount lenses. Which exact download & branch of Magic Lantern are you guys using?

Yes of course.

You guys are getting this thing to sing. I have tried it out as well. I find the full-sensor recording a bit messed-up, I think I might need to revise my workflow. The crop recording is good, but working with a very small sensor area. I prefer the 70D at the moment... Found one for 200 euros used with a lens, high shutter count. It is now doing 14bit lossless compressed RAW with UHS card speed hack, full resolution no crop Super 35mm RAW at nearly 1920 x 1080. Damn thing looks like a Digital Bolex with Autofocus I will continue to explore my EOS R and 70D, check the blog soon

I agree with the RAW colour science... Easiest thing is to open a raw file from a cherished Leica M9 in Photoshop and within seconds you have it looking wonderful... Whereas do the same with a Sony A7S II and you are deep into presets and HSL before getting it anywhere close. It's very time consuming. The Adobe Camera Raw defaults are very important. Sure, RAW is very malleable but changes take time especially on hundreds of shots. In video it's the same, different scenes and shots call for different processing... which can take hours and hours away from the actual edit and shooting. Sometimes it's quicker to get it right in-camera with video. Yep absolutely agree DR has biggest room for improvement, it's not progressed as fast as resolution, that's for sure. Thanks for the poll. Food for thought. I've done one as well, an expanded version. Check it out.

I will let this poll run and then submit the results to the manufacturers. Let's show them what filmmakers really need in future and a window onto what we already use and own, in terms of cameras and lenses.

Interesting stuff. I think colour science is a big one. Comes for free with RAW, but what I'd like to see is the ability to bake a LUT into a ProRes recording in-camera. Saves grading time in post and speeds up the edit. Dual Card slots causes a big hype and debate... I think that's why people feel it is overrated. I think it's a small feature but a critical one for pro work. If a single card does fail then it's an irreplaceable data gone and imagine if you lose somebody's wedding... disaster. There is no need NOT to do dual card slots on a pro camera, especially a $3000+ one, and it has hurt the Nikon Z series so badly in shops with photographers. I think it could be interesting to split a poll up into sub-categories, as big features lumped with small features will always show the big features coming out on top, but that's not to say smaller features aren't also important.

Seems so far the important stuff is in this order: Dynamic range Raw / Codec IBIS AF and ND a slightly distant 4th For $350 I think the 70D with Magic Lantern would make a lot of people happy, especially with a good vari-ND and IS lens. For $1250 not hard to see why the BM Pocket 4K camera is so popular But what really comes closest to being strong at DR, Codec, IBIS and AF is the Olympus E-M1X which nobody bought It has very good dynamic range in Oly LOG, a very robust high bitrate DCI 4K codec, the world's best IBIS system and phase-detect AF that demolishes the GH5's CDAF. Some things are missing from the list like colour science. I might make a poll myself.

Don't forget, AAC audio is changing to high bitrate PCM with the July V-LOG firmware update.

Nice test. I'm glad the dynamic range benefits come across, and the other main priority was getting the Nikon colour science into LOG format. I don't like the colour in N-LOG over HDMI, looks whacked. In-camera it is SUPERB and comes through in Z-LOG. The Z6 has come in for a lot of stick in reviews and not hard to see why but it's very capable. Nikon made a few critical mistakes which shafted it on the market so nobody is buying it No dual card slots on a pro camera. Cheap looking, but expensive F1.8 primes. Consumer leaning design rather than all-out aimed at pros and high-end Sony users. Speaking of which, Sony users tend to be quite satisfied at the moment and most have Canon lenses, not Nikon. So Z6 is a hard sell to quite a big proportion of the market. Canon users can't bring their lenses. Sony users haven't got a big reason to move sideways. Nikon users probably only just bought D850 and not ready to upgrade. So hard to see a market for Z6. When you get down to it though, the nuts and bolts of the Z6 make for a wonderful camera and shooting experience especially for video. Great ergonomics and feel, no crop factor in any mode, really good for full frame 4K, very good full frame 120fps as well and will be getting ProRes RAW over HDMI when nothing else is. I also find it has very good 5 axis IBIS, more steady than Sony's version, amazing colour science, again better than my A7 III and very good AF for video with Nikon / native glass. Come to think of it, it's a tough choice between the Z6 and S1 for the most capable FF mirrorless prize. Of course S1 has better codec... Well it will do come July... but there's a smaller gap between 8bit and 10bit than people realise when 8bit is done well (see Canon 1D C... and Z6 / D850). To get a big leap you really need RAW not 10bit. It will be fascinating to see how S1 with Filmmakers Update and Z6 with ProRes RAW compare, although I still HATE external recorders. The S1 also has a more "pro" body, dual card slots, springy high quality shutter like X-H1, higher 180fps for slow-mo and an even bigger EVF although the one on the Z6 is very good indeed. What would you guys choose if only one?

Probably a case of sending your receipt to Panasonic by email or sending them your serial number, then they send you the Upgrade Key. It's free 10bit 422 VLOG so probably worth a quick email, just my guess. So $600 more than a Sony A7 III but superior specs in almost every category? Picture quality, colour, video modes, codec, frame rates, 4K 60, slow-mo 180fps, EVF, back screen, ergonomics, weather sealing, build quality, battery life, HDMI output (full size) and top LCD display? Sounds like a terrible deal! Damn if only it came with a freebie like a memory card!