Andrew Reid

Can still stop the lens down though

Got that lens. Will give it a go. Remember this stuff has limits... corners not sharp on certain shots for instance, but I'm just glad it works, gives full frame image in 10bit and rest is history. F0.75 with GH5S is some serious low light potential.

What version of Mac OS were you using when you had the problems?

Nice info thanks @joema I think the fans spin up on the 2017 iMac with the i7... it's a hot and power hungry chip (4.2ghz 7700k version) The i5 3.8ghz has nearly the same performance and runs much cooler on half the power, so the fans stay low and silent. A lot of what we do is hardware accelerated so quicksync and openCL performance clearly matter more than clocking CPU 10% higher. So in the end I went for iMac 2017 with i5 3.8ghz and the 580 Pro 8GB, and plan to upgrade the DDR4 to 40GB. Mac Pro 2013 remains a nice bargain I think... if you already have high-end displays, perhaps even 3 of them, plus you find a good deal on the MP... say for £1500 in the UK, which I have seen them go for repeatably By the way the top spec Firepro D700 version had overheating issues with that GPU...and rendering artefacts on many machines in video editing software, but I believe Apple fixed it in later Mac Pros.

Holy s***! First let's just say my BMPCC Speed Boosters were, erm, disassembled and rattling around in a box. Had completely abandoned them - since I stopped using the Pocket Cinema Camera - then, Metabones updated the firmware to kill the BMPCC 0.58x on the GH4 (the only camera it fits). They did this for a very good reason - it could damage the shutter, goes very deep. My EF version does not fit the GH5S at all. You can screw the glass out away from the sensor and it will mount but then no infinity and after 1 second the screen goes blank and camera says 'lens not connected'. Boo. The NIKON version on the other hand... It's pant wetting good. Not only does it fit... FULL FRAME field of view in Cinema 4K. It clears the sensor housing. Infinity focus. Actually, allows you to fine tune to infinity as it even goes past infinity!! By the way, with this camera, the GH5S 4096 x 2160 mode is wider than 3840 x 2160 - uses more width on the sensor (mutli-aspect sensor) - full 19mm of sensor BEFORE speed booster applied!! Apply the BMPCC 0.58x Speed Booster factor to that and you get... 1.07x crop on full frame - i.e., basically nothing. Naaathing. It's full frame.. LOL. Here's the calculations just for fun: 1.86 * 0.58 focal reducer = 1.07x crop Or you can do the 1.86x crop diagonal, that is 1.07x Even more fun are the pictures. Oh my god. Inky blacks in 10bit F0.75 Clean ISO 12,800 in hybrid LOG gamma At least 13 stops dynamic range like raw Blackmagic No IBIS, so no shifting vignette (Although don't expect corner sharpness to be all that) Sharp image wide open at F1.4 on my Nikon 58mm AF-S Will shoot some footage with it and put it on the blog. So we can finally say... out loud... Panasonic GH5S, full frame 10bit camera GH5S owners... Get those Nikon Metabones SB 0.58x out immediately!!

It's a superb grading format and similar to Canon LOG, with a wide colour gamut. Definitely good for more than just TV compatibility.

Yeah and with Luca's NX-L adapter the NX500 is even better... Super 35mm 4K in your pocket for cheap, with EF mount. Colour is much better than A6000 too!

Slight shift in the topic, but has anyone noticed their Macbook Pro slow down after the Intel Meltdown security update was issued? Mine is having a bit of a moment since the update especially doing basic tasks like web browsing! Seems laggy and unresponsive, so might have to see what's going on with it.

Interesting to hear that. The display compatibility issues are very worrying for me. Might have to go iMac 2017 route after all. The i5 is quieter than i7 by the way, under load barely a whisper. The 2017 iMac i7 4.2 gets very hot. On the GPU side, 2017 vs 2015.... New Radeon 580 Pro worth it as upgrade from 2015 model as it is newer chip and 8GB video RAM... Double the top spec 2015. My late 2013 iMac still edits 4K smoothly though!! The old stuff is still good. Will probably sell that and the Hackintosh and get the iMac 2017. Mac Pro, the more you research into it, the more it could be a headache despite being really underrated as a trashcan

PC's can be smooth, fast, all that, I'm not denying it. However security can be an issue. Lots of malicious PC-orientated stuff out there. Expert users will be more careful, install safeguards, etc. But Mac users - of all skill levels - don't even need to THINK about it. It just isn't a consideration. Keep it updated automatically, erm that's about it. Little aesthetic things - there's more user interface and experience consistency across all visual elements of the Mac OS desktop, finder and apps you have open. The Windows start menu is a piece of shit as is the control panel. So tacky. Makes me feel cheap inside. Look at the icons in Mac OS Launcher. Works of art. Look at the P3 5K display and the colour you get it on the latest iMacs. PC monitors are 90% plastic junk and look shit on the desk. Exceptions are exceptionally expensive yet you get aluminium 5K cinema P3 display practically for free on an iMac. It's these things that add up and make you feel like you are using something well engineered and well designed rather than just a work tool. Drivers. Hate drivers. Mac so rarely needs them, unless it's an incredibly custom piece of equipment, again this is not even something Mac users think about. No need to tinker. No need to keep them updated manually or search the web. Windows can't even PRINT something without drivers having to be installed sometimes. And the constant updates... jesus christ. Windows 10 feels like a more up-to-date facade on an old building. The structure feels like it is creaking. The 2 control panels situation is a mess. The boot screen is ugly as shit. The need to make it all work with infinite combinations of hardware involves fundamental compromises in long-term reliability and security. It can be "just working" and then one day it isn't. Retina display scaling is atrocious in 4K. Fonts look like crap. So that's why I do 99% of what I do on a Mac and leave my Windows rig as a Hackintosh with option to occasionally boot up in Windows 10 for gaming or VR. Don't get me wrong - the hardware is super powerful. But then so is a Mac. People think they are simplistic, dumbed down and underpowered. It's not true and the power that is there is utilised better like a console. System OS is matched to the hardware 100%, whereas on a PC it is full of fallback legacy functionality and compatibility strands.

Choice of computer is personal. For example, I would not recommend a Mac Pro over an iMac to somebody who wants to play Forza 7 in Bootcamp. The GPU (580 Pro) on the top spec 2017 iMac is a beast for gaming. However if your software is utilising the TWO GPUs on the Mac Pro, and you picked up a D700 spec Mac Pro cheap, it's a good buy. Trashcan or not. I have not decided yet between the 2017 iMac and Mac Pro, I have not already made up my mind actually. That is why I started the thread. Am I allowed to do that sir, on my own site!? You ok with that? Then there is the form factor. Mac Pro, you can put in a camera case and go to another country, hook it up there to a screen. Much less easy to do that with an iMac, you can't get it in carry-on for a start. So as I say.... Computer choice is personal. Whoever recommends same option for everyone is an idiot. This is just ridiculous. Are you saying every Adobe user should be on Windows? Like I say, Mac OS is as personal a choice as the type rig you edit on. I have Mac-only apps and dislike the user experience in tacky Windows. So buying a Mac for Premiere and the 100 other things you do on a main rig, is not about 'throwing away money'. You mean that you can spend less money on a Windows machine and run Premiere great on it. Well done. Statement of the obvious award 2018.

31MU97-B http://4k.com/monitor/a-review-of-the-lg-electronics-ips-digital-cinema-31mu97-b-31-0-inch-screen-led-lit-monitor/ Very happy with it. Not as glossy or reflective as 5K iMac screen.

Ethan, it's not that the iMac 2017 5K isn't a great machine, very fast and capable, superb value for money with brilliant P3 display... It's that people unfairly malign the trashcan, and don't actually have hands-on experience. You yourself are criticising it based on your experience with a completely different 2010 model. These guys did a benchmark you should see... http://barefeats.com/imac5K_vs_pros.html Even with a GTX 1080 Ti the 2010 Mac Pro is too CPU limited in Adobe software, although it is quick with CUDA acceleration in Resolve. The 2013 on the other-hand... Way faster in Resolve and Premiere than maxed out iMac 5K 2017... So I don't get the hate. GTX 1080 Ti doesn't help 2010 Mac Pro in Premiere... CPU limited... So yeah, don't understand the hate, especially as I am talking about getting a used Mac Pro 2013 for same price as mid-range 2017 iMac. Geekbench is one thing. What about Resolve? That is what I use it for! Not CineBench, etc.! The YouTubers, mostly clueless, keep saying the 5K 2017 iMac is a screamer, blah blah blah. So how do you explain the above charts? Nope. They don't. Maybe for Battlefield One. Not for video editing. How is that limited? Can hook up 6 displays! Acts as MiniDP Sends 4096 x 2160 at 60p to my LG! You want USB C on a desktop workstation or something?!!? That is what Thunderbolt 3 is... USB C, basically. iMac 2017 is USB 3 and USB C, so good luck having 3 displays on your desk in pro confirmation. C'mon. Real world baby. I am not editing H.265 enough to make use of the latest Intel hardware acceleration. I do my editing in H.264 and ProRes. Intel's progress over last 3-4 years has hardly been what you'd call 'dramatic'! 2010!? 2013 is the subject of the topic. So why even mention the 2010 version?! I'm not saying the iMac isn't a consideration, it's great value for money and very quick. However I already have a Cinema 4K display I need to make use of. I want to be able to easily swap out the internal drive and have a 2TB SSD inside without disassembly / warranty void of iMac. And as for performance, look again at those iMac 5K 2017 vs Mac Pro 2013 charts above. What camera are you using to shoot so much HEVC? Samsung NX1? I just transcode when I use the NX1. No big deal. This is wrong I am afraid. The SSD drive slots in and out within seconds like a stick of RAM. CPU is user upgradable unlike on an iMac (although tricky to get to). As for graphics, those are upgradable via external enclosure... But do you need to? You got RED 8K raw to edit without proxies?

Good job I am not doing CGI then! Does the dual D500 get used in Resolve 14 (latest) or does only one do the rendering with the other one as display buffer?

Above is how the design should have looked. It was maligned constantly for being a trashcan. It is anything but... Multiple displays - can have 3x 4K displays on the desk. iMac / iMac Pro cannot. In fact it can run 6x 5K displays daisychained! (Ok yes that's overkill) Quieter than a PC and much smaller than 99% of them as well Hackintosh often needs wired mouse and keyboard (bluetooth lags) and LAN connection (wifi problems), even if everything else works perfectly Thunderbolt compatible for external graphics card and RAID drives. Thunderbolt on Hackintosh is again a reliability issue and on PC it doesn't even work as it's a Mac standard. Liberates your PC from work desk, so you can use it for gaming, which is something it is actually good at High multicore performance - still right up there in 2018 MacOS upgrades don't break things (risky on Hackintosh) You avoid 5K retina display scaling issues in Premiere and can watch 4K material at 1:1 on a 4K display - or even Cinema 4K display (4096 x 2160) Can upgrade CPU, SSD, RAM (unlike iMac where you can only upgrade RAM and rest is locked in or very difficult to change) Mid-range 6 core / dual D500 model is now £1800 in UK (second hand), quad core / D300 sometimes even less (£1200) Bullet proof reliable and long-life pro components Workstation grade ECC RAM (error checking) Internal SSD (a lot of iMacs still fusion drive - WTF Apple!) Tiny and semi-portable (for a desktop) There are a few drawbacks of course, as this is a 4 years old computer. It's not as fast as the latest iMac 2017 for single core performance or single GPU performance. If the software only uses one CPU core or one GPU you're not going to see a performance benefit from the Mac Pro and it will even be slightly slower. The Mac Pro doesn't have Intel Quick Sync for hardware acceleration of H.264 encoding so EditReady might take a hit - but encoding to ProRes instead of H.264 might be ok? Will have to test that. New iMac Pro smokes it in performance in every way but it is bonkers expensive and you won't see a huge performance benefit in everyday apps like Adobe stuff because Adobe are lazy fuckwits who don't optimise their software for years and years. FCPX runs great on either system, as it is designed for newer architecture. Dual D500 not as fast for gaming as a single GTX 970 in a PC which won't break the bank but then that is what a PC is for and a Mac Pro is not. Can't think of any other downsides. Shall I bite? PS - Can you use it without the trashcan casing attached? I plan to mod it and make see-through enclosure.

I can understand the appeal of the problem solving, technical challenge, it's very satisfying, but sometimes you just need to work in Premiere, etc. and get stuff done. In those situations the last thing you want is for something to break. Yes Windows scaling sucks for retina displays. Awful on my 4096 x 2160 cinema 4K LG display. Unusable. The aesthetics are all disjointed and cobbled together. My Windows rig is now best off in my racing sim, set up next to a Playseat and occasional bit of VR gaming. For creative stuff the Mac is much better suited.

Matter of taste and personal choice. Just because someone has a strong preference for one system over the other doesn't make them a 'fan boy'. There's a lot I like about Mac OS over Windows and all of it is to do with functionality, security, driverless plug & play, uninterrupted creative flow, aesthetics, app ecosystem, app exclusives like EditReady, codecs like ProRes, file encryption, Finder vs Explorer and a better user experience (for me) and nothing to do with the brand "Apple". Hackintosh is great, but even when you have every single aspect working fine, there's a lot of errors in the logs thats go unnoticed but do point to it not being just right, and updates could break things at any stage. Mine has been rock solid, it's just the wirelesss stuff... At one point the WiFi was dropping out when I plugged things into USB! Since I'd rather be editing videos than installing custom KEXTs, I think going back to an official Mac would be a creative move. With Windows 10, yes I know it has come a long way since 7 (shudder) but still the look of the UI makes me vomit. Not exactly easy on the eyes is it? And the control panel - holy crap - what a stinking mess. Two in one - an old one and a new one - the new one is practically useless - the old one is from 1995! WHY?! Why have two?!

Just tried on mine and there is no way to get it to show the codec and frame rate on that screen. A work around is to set 4K/1080p and other key video settings like frame rate to the custom My Menu, which shows what they are set to when you hit the menu button. Or just shoot in video mode and save stills mode to Custom mode dial slot 3, giving you ability to quickly toggle between the two side by side on the mode dial?

I can't understand why there was never a glass case for the Mac Pro https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/glass-mac-pro.1932037/ It had heat drawn out the top, so I doubt it needed the trash can metal as a heat sink? It would have looked so damned sexy. Here's a more positive take on the Mac Pro 2013... After 3 years I think this guy makes the case for it well. 1. Reliable 2. Much cheaper now (used) 3. Not an iMac (can connect it to your non-glossy matte 4096 x 2160 LG monitor) 4. Not a Hackintosh 5. Not a £5000 iMac Pro (bleeeergh) 6. Upgradable...right down to the CPU. Buh bye!

Ah so you mean in stills mode, with live-view disabled. Do you have an HDMI screen connected or are you primarily using the EVF and the back screen only as an info reference panel?

Japan is a weird market though. Weirder than the fish in David Attenborough's water programme. The GF7 is 4th by volume. Says a lot. In the rest of the world, I don't see quite as much love for Canon's tiny, bitsy, toy mirrorless cams.

I encourage you to follow his channel, some funny stuff on there, but informative. Apple wanted to cancel the Mac Pro 2013. Problem is they built an entire Texan factory to build it in. What to doooo? Agonise over cancelling the failed computer for years, before deciding to finally continue the line (with last year's weird pre-announcement of the 2018 update, which will have a different concept). Personally, I think the Mac Pro is the Canon 1D C of the computer world. Totally overpriced. Totally underrated. Sure it may not have the performance of even a 2013 iMac in some ways... But the multicore performance, dual graphics in such a small case, zero fan noise and bullet proof reliability is pretty useful. PC owners will say "yeah but for under $1000 you can get way better performance". Ah but Windows is a totally depressing existence. Hackintosh owners (I am one!) will say "yeah but you can just put Mac OS on high spec pc hardware" and that is true! But mine doesn't work with WiFi or Bluetooth. I have a wired mouse and keyboard attached to it and a LAN cable. The performance advantage in the real world with shitty Adobe software is not actually much more than my 2013 iMac. The Mac Pro 2013 is £1800 now in the UK for the mid-spec 6 core Xeon / 2x D500 GPU I say that solves a fundamental problem... You can pair it with LG's DCI 4K P3 monitor. No 5K retina bullshit required. It is not a 2017 iMac. It is not £5000 like an iMac Pro (WTF!) It isn't a windy fat slob PC with constant errors. Problem solved!?

THE RED FIDGET Why have a spinner when you can have a NINJA STAR?!

Unlike Sony's fidget spinner which is too magenta, costs £3500 and overheats, causing your fingers to burn off. Brings a new meaning to "having your fingers burnt" over an expensive purchase

I am surprised Canon don't do their own EOS spinner. It would be lacking some features though to protect the higher end model.