Andrew Reid

I know it gets you more shots and freedom but it doesn't look as good does it. Even on the best systems it still does weird stuff like slowly rotating the frame for no reason, or panning carries on when you don't want it to, just knocks your framing off by a slight amount but enough to be distracting.

Did you buy the OM-1 or the E-M1X?

I agree with you, I think these are all very useful tools, makes shooting faster, easier and gets you a shot you might otherwise miss. The point I am making however is that none of these tools seem to look as good as the techniques they're making obsolete! AF looks worse than a human focus puller / manual focus. IBIS looks worse than a tripod. And 10bit looks about the same as 8bit most of the time. As for LOG it does often look very good but it all depends how good you are at grading it. I remember when it first came into the mainstream (with SLOG on A7S) and 90% of what was shot this way looked worse than a standard rec.709 profile, but I guess that's not LOG's fault!

I do like the E-M1X's image overall, has a bit more mojo, more reliable WB and bit more detail in 4K. It is only 8bit but at a much higher bitrate than OM1. Perhaps more interesting comparison would be between E-M1X and the GH6. Maybe throw in the A7 IV which I have, Sigma Fp-L and EOS R5. Micro Four Thirds can't compete at high ISOs but the rest is fair game.

I hear Trump is a huge fan of IBIS especially on his gun sight when the FBI come knocking.

I colossally messed up my OM-1 vs E-M1 X comparison which is bad because I put the OM-1 in a cardboard box at the end of it and took it to the post office. So don't think I'll be reshooting that one any time soon. The OM-1 was somehow set to digital stabiliser mode and so all the images are a bit cropped and a bit soft. Also although I checked several times it was in OM LOG 400 the resulting files don't look anything like LOG, so there's that. I don't really regret my decision to keep the E-M1 X instead and save some pounds. As where pounds are, shillings follow! Yes another case of overhyped new camera by the usual shills again. Not to say it isn't a great little camera (although it can't really do ISO 3200/6400) Not to say I didn't like certain aspects of it like the new EVF which is very good. But I think Panasonic S1 and Sigma Fp trounce it for overall image quality to be honest.

LOG For me there is no substitute to What You See Is What You Get. Whenever I shoot LOG I tend to forget to look at tonality and contrast. Sometimes even a limit on dynamic range is useful because it forces you to prioritise which part of the frame to expose for. Whenever I shoot LOG I tend to get lazy and forget this. I do use a view assist when available or load a LUT onto the camera, but then you are postponing the judgement of what works for a scene to post. And what a fucking nightmare it is choosing LUTs and grading every shot differently in post, when you could have got it all right in camera, in the moment of the shoot! So LOG is overrated and a hinderance. RAW on the other hand, that's much nicer. You don't even need to grade RAW, you can just let the meta data handle it. If there is a white balance change that needs doing, you can do it without weird results. RAW is all about ultimate image quality so give me that over LOG any day. IBIS IBIS is king of ALL the lazy unmotivated camera movement we see today. It's a huge convenience doing away with a tripod, as well as the biggest single loss of the last 10 years! There is simply no substitute. Floaty, warpy, too smooth, too robotic, IBIS has it all in equal measure. The least cinematic camera feature you can choose beyond shooting it all in 30fps! Also when you are sticking something on a tripod that doesn't have IBIS like the Sigma Fp you are actually locked down into one frame. That really makes you think about the composition and refine it, because you're stuck with it! All my early stuff was shot on a tripod. I never recaptured that shooting style with IBIS. Even the slightest small movement detracts from the calmness of a locked down shot. With IBIS you can only fake a locked down shot and everyone knows you couldn't really be arsed to do it properly! 10bit It is hailed as the biggest new feature of modern times and everybody shits on 8bit, but whenever I put the final images side by side from a decent 8bit codec and a modern 10bit one, why do they always look the fucking same? AF A bit like IBIS autofocus is a great shot getter when you're rushing and making a hack of it. I used to use a single S-AF to grab focus before locking it on the GH2 and recording the unfolding scene with the focus not moving. Short of hiring a professional Hollywood focus puller that is the best any of us can do, because as soon as you hand things over to the camera you may as well call it a home movie and be done with it. Oops it's shifted to the background. Oops it's wobbling. Oops the subject has moved but the focus hasn't. Ooops that's not what I meant. Autofocus is an affront to filmmaking. The best AF is too perfect. Nails the subject in focus with no human intention behind the focus pull. If I see another gimbal shot with autofocus I will kill myself. So just to sum up... Maybe we could have an EOSHD challenge... No LOG, no 10bit, no IBIS, no AF, just a tripod, you, a manual focus lens and a camera like the Sigma Fp or Samsung NX1? Let's see how the results look compared to the next day when we all go back to the usual modern style of shooting! And pick the best!

Internal codec good enough for me. Don't like the Ninja V.

Talking of 10bit, it is a very low bitrate in 4K/24p, something like 77 mbit. I did a comparison with the E-M1 X if anyone is interested it will be on blog tonight. The spoiler is I sold the OM-1. And the AF was better on E-M1 X as well which is big surprise. Maybe they are going to get the most of the new hardware with an OM-1 X instead for more pricey sums.

I am THIS close to ending the forum and bringing the focus back onto the blog. So either the place improves and gets it act together, or I leave and the forum ends. This week.

I don't believe that, but at same time not willing to provide a publicity platform for my most hated click weasel competitors, or some guy who wants to flog his LUTs in every post. It isn't too difficult to moderate, the way it works is I have a light touch for about 5 years with someone like webrunner5 and let him speak, then if I find he is STILL flooding the forum worth worthless chit chat after that long amount of time has elapsed I find I have had enough of reading it and say time's up, last orders please, out you go. EOSHD is a site about cameras and shooting with cameras. I don't see why it should be structured differently. At end of the day this is not about me. The forum is the user generated part of the site. It is up to users to ask what THEY can do that's interesting for the forum, not point at the moderator and tell him how he should run the community. Sounds like a recipe for nonsense to me that does.

OK lord saviour off you go, leave me to die with my ship captain. I am not worthy of your help and the 3 spam posts in a row under every topic. I will sail on into the iceberg come what may (rather than read any more of it). Or maybe jump off the ship myself if the going gets really tough (and you decide to keep posting). I am sure there will be a huge mutiny now we have reached the end of your reign as forum leader. As for many decades people have been coming to EOSHD not to learn about the cameras they spend $1000s on but to hear from Webrunner5 about windows movie maker. By the way... It isn't "on its death bed" at all. In fact if you stop posting it will be very much on the rise again as there will be less spam under every single piece of content on half the entire site. It's not like I didn't try to hint about it again and again so you would hopefully after several years stop posting in every thread with lame duck opinions that are barely even on topic. I know you are well meaning. But it is trashing the place. Time's up.

@Tito Ferradans Any thoughts?

If I pinned 7 threads would you and Webrunner comment on every single one 10 times a day? At this rate going to need a flood control not sticky posts!

Is it this one (left)? I still have it. Could never quite get it working properly. Didn't even know it was single focus?! Might have to try it again with some c-mount stuff.

The sub forums are gone but the posts are not, they were moved into the main forum, as I'd like to start discussing raw shooting cameras, anamorphic lenses, right bang in the centre of the forum rather than tucked and hidden away in a sub-forum. I think this will help the amount of activity in the main forum and the diversity of topics. Anamorphic sub-forum had been around for entire history of this forum, but I always felt the topics didn't get as much attention as they deserved, so sometimes having a sub-forum on anamorphic lenses hinders the general chat about anamorphic lenses. Now when you post about it in the main forum they stand out and everyone sees it regardless of whether they duck into the sub forums from time to time or not.

Excellent info. It will be interesting to compare Mcpro24fps on Android to the iPhone as well. And between the different recording modes in Mcpro24fps itself vs Filmic Pro on same device. I am also writing a guide to Motion Cam raw video which will be out soon.

Thanks for these @kye The most constructive advice, very helpful. Maybe a buyer's guide, updated every year would satisfy (1) and then we could have more variety of other topic on the forum, as it does get a bit repetitive. With (2) being the bread and butter of any forum really, it is here to help people get the best out of their kit and talent. True and we can encourage this so that maybe all the info is in one place and easy to access at a glance and therefore easier to add to it? On DPReview forums they are not having the same discussions about c-mount lenses and earlier digital cinema cameras, so that is quite a unique thing about this place. Maybe play on the strength of that. The problem with a sub-forum though is it tends to get orphaned and ignored, so it is about keeping it all very visible and all in one place together with the latest topics. So maybe the front page of the forum needs a big refresh to make it clear how much good stuff there is already on the forum. And it could integrate with the good stuff on the blog a lot better too, so maybe new software is required on the server side. I enjoyed doing the YouTube channel. The problem is it reduced visitors to the written side of the blog by as much as 60% and made zero income. Not been paid a single dollar of ad revenue from YouTube after a year of videos. So currently debating whether YouTube is viable or not long term for EOSHD. Yeah as I say, sub-forums are deprived of oxygen somehow... Unless you are presented with ONLY sub-forums. So you HAVE to post in the categories. DVXUser was like this. The alternative would be to delete the anamorphic forum and move all those threads into the main one. Same with the others. This might make it harder to find specific threads, but also bring more attention to the successful ones in those areas of the site. Yep that was the intention there. The call it as you see it goes for everyone on the forum too, I would be good to see a more critical eye and more cynicism especially when it comes to posting a high proportion of YouTube videos and external links, is this content really actually "call it as they see it" or really just fancy marketing in disguise? I am just one person in this forum and it is also a matter of getting as many people involved as possible who can put their knowledge and expertise on the table. I think some users need to think harder before posting in 6 different threads all at once with opinions... and I don't mean this in a rude way, I know it's well intentioned, but I think much of the very frequent posting from 3 or 4 people tends to dominate the forum and it is mostly armchair observations, rather than hands on experience. This dilutes the actual hands-on knowledge side of the forum and buries a lot of interesting discoveries under endless streams of opinion soup. If we can grow the forum again so there is a bigger crowd, this wouldn't be as much as an issue.

Have to say I am a bit impressed by this result, not just how well the smartphone keeps up with full frame but because it shoots internal 4K RAW (Motion Cam) and A7 IV, erm, doesn't! But just for kicks I did shoot a RAW still on the Sony to see how it would come out versus the RED (RIP) Hydrogen One. It is not even a very modern smartphone by the standards of 2022. It comes from 3 years ago. HydrogenOne 4K RAW converted to JPEG: Sony A7 IV Yes of course the A7 IV is cleaner in the shadows, I wasn't able to push the phone as far around the wall and tree due to noise, but there's something about the way the dynamic range is handled on the phone I like. I think the A7 IV almost has an HDR effect going on whereas the phone seems more real to me. It was much easier to do a quick grade that looked nice on the phone as well. Anyone let me know if any interest in doing a more serious comparison and in downloading the original RAW files if you want to grade them yourselves.

We have evolved into a dangerous form of media that's for sure. It's addictive, truth bending, ADHD and heavily sponsored. Thinking of starting PhoneRaw.com which will try and get people to take more artistic shots with smartphones and learn the whole workflow of raw, both for stills and video. If it is time up for traditional cameras (for me at least) then you have to know when to step aside and let the Geralds and Fros take over because you know then it is a bit of a lost cause and not what it was in 2014.

After payment the links will show up on the website, if you stay with the page and don't close the tab. And they are emailed too but you might have to check spam folder if it misses the inbox for whatever reason.

Wonder if Motion Cam will have a go at it? It is basically running on Android the NX1 isn't it.

Got a OnePlus 9 Pro as well. Put GCam on it and turn HDR+ on with RAW Results are stunning. I would like to get this next but seems somebody has destroyed it...

Something that does work is the NX-L so it is full frame now. With the magic of some bluetac to fool the OS into thinking there is a lens attached (no "shoot without lens" option) A RAW frame to peep at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fPLD7KVWjpLdC9gQEAUjda4vkAdrlweZ?usp=sharing Bluetac trick:

Might try rooting it then, but not sure there are any custom ROMs so might be stuck with Android 4.2 which is the latest update before they gave up on it! Some modern apps do still work on it though... I tried the beta APK of Motion Cam and that doesn't install unfortunately.