Andrew Reid

$7999 is now live at B&H. Might justify a free holiday to New York for some! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/855962-REG/Canon_EOS_1D_C_EOS_1D_C_4K_Cinema.html/BI/6943/KBID/7492

Sounds made up to me!

Not good! Hopefully Metabones will respond.

The sensor isn't the problem, the one in the E-M1 for example is almost identical to the GH4 and made by Panasonic. It does 4K. Just a matter of enabling it in their firmware.

Strange, maybe the full price cut hasn't yet been applied.

Here's the UK price cut on the 1D C - http://cvp.com/index.php?t=product/canon_eos_1d_c Down to £7.2K + VAT The used ones are still a far better deal.

Exactly!! Selling my E-M1. Wish Olympus would release both their flagships at once, to save me the eBay fees time and time again How long will I be an E-M5 II owner before I am an E-M1 II 4K owner!? Looking forward to it though, at least it is interesting, unlike a Canon!

More detailed specs for the E-M5 II have come out ahead of it's launch on Thursday 5th February. The video mode is much improved, although it doesn't shoot 4K. Read the full article

​Incomparible. DR gamma is barely any flatter than Rec 709! I find it gives me a slightly improved image with contrast dialled down and master pedestal up a bit compared to the old NX1 firmware and standard pic profile. But it's not LOG.

​It's poor to be honest in 50/60p, both are. A7S and 1D C both soft 1080/60p with moire. To do proper 60p you really need a small sensor (GH4) or a full pixel readout, and doing a full pixel readout at high frame rates from a massive full frame sensor in a tiny body on a small battery, with no fan and limited cooling / heat sink is currently not possible with the technology. That's why FS7 is so nice for slow mo, but of course it's much larger and needs a bigger battery.

​Yes it really is this good. Once you get your head around the ridiculous pricing and ridiculous reluctance of Canon to make simple firmware changes (keeping histo on during a shot as gingercat mentioned is perfect example), you will realise what a good deal it is at the current used prices. Nothing else touches that image internally in such a small camera. The larger cinema cameras have other drawbacks, let alone price. Long boot times, heavy bodies, fans, expensive media, external recorders, v-lock batteries, no thanks. C500 needs an external recorder just to get on par with the 1D C! If Canon release anything this year it HAS to be an internal 4K replacement for the C500 at NAB, it is practically guaranteed but it won't be £5k like my 1D C. The NX1 is perhaps the closest, so that remains a very good deal. The A7S internal 1080p is great but I need 4K internal, better build quality and a native EF mount. I admit I was too harsh on the 1D C then it came out, if there's a bias then it's quite a natural one - I was angry at Canon for putting such a nice image out of reach. This is what the 5D line should have been headed towards all along but they got way too greedy and wrapped up in savagely high mark-up. Unlike Panasonic. Unlike Sony, Unlike Samsung. I still think their business will suffer if this kind of behaviour continues.

​It's a bit more than a third my friend!! Canon have two main divisions, office and imaging. They also do semiconductors and lithography machines. But the camera sales are the largest market by volume by far. Even as late as last year, 9 million Canon compact cameras were sold. This has now slowed to 7 mil. Canon's interchangeable lens camera sales have also slowed, due to so few exciting new models being released. It's particularly interesting that they have slowed in Q4 2014 despite the 7D Mark II being released in that quarter and the key Christmas sales period. Most recent report is here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/29/us-canon-results-idUSKBN0L10FG20150129?type=companyNews

They can't sell to consumers for $15,000!

It's like reading one clueless comment after the other. For 3 years I covered virtually nothing but NON-Canon cameras. Mainly the GH2!! OK so you lack knowledge, about a great range of subjects here, but at least man up and admit it

​It is for the low end consumer segment but not the 5D / 1D range, they're not effected by iPhones in the slightest, and if they are then it's curtains for Canon.

Simon, you want an unbiased 1D C take from me!? Should have found EOSHD earlier http://www.eoshd.com/2013/04/the-canon-1d-c-review/ That's about as stinging a critisism as the 1D C deserves and to be honest looking back on it I got it wrong. It's a much better camera than that and for £5k it was a bargain, nothing you can say will make me regret it. By the same token I like the A7S as well and still use it, planning a Shogun shoot soon. So keep calm and carry on sir, preferably not here though! Maybe somewhere else! Mental asylum perhaps!?

​I'd like you a lot more if you started getting the BASIC FACTS right. OH BOY!! Soft HD??? Super 35mm mode is sharp as hell! Internally! The 1080p HDMI in 4K mode is also sharp as hell. As good as a C300. The 4K of course produces oversampled 2.5K, 2K and 1080p or whatever you like in post, which is sharper and more detailed than the internal A7S 1080p.

The KineMINI 4K is an exciting update to the 2013 model. This now records 12bit 4K raw internally and one of the raw formats is compressed. A much improved DSLR battery grip provides ‘build in’ power via lithium cells similar to those used by Telsa Motors. The CPU has had a major upgrade making the camera far more responsive. Anamorphic modes abound and behind a swappable mount sits a very capable 4K Super 35mm CMOS sensor. A starting price of 4198 euros + shipping and tax for the 4K model sits half way between the Blackmagic Production Camera and the FS700 raw output. So does the ‘Chinese Dragon’ breathe triumphant flames or is it slain? Read the full article here

PL mount is for non-speedbooster users obviously Steven!

​That halving of their share price since 2011 is all down to lack of innovation, yet Canon will pin the blame on the economy, currency, earthquakes, product range reaching 'maturity', and so on... They are heading towards true dinosaur status in the imaging industry, and so are Nikon.

But there's already a clear and present demand for 4K, it's not really a niche thing. Otherwise there wouldn't be a plethora of 4K TVs on our high streets, they'd still be $30,000 and only sold in high end stores. Now they are common as muck. And the iMac 5K - you can't get more omnipresent than that. You're right that Canon are not a consumer electronics giant and they have no agenda over format wars, they will jump on the format once it is established. But it's so short sighted not to jump on consumer 4K at the earliest opportunity, to give yourself a head start. The irony is, Canon are giving stills photographers 8K!! Who asked for that!? If there is the demand for that kind of resolution from the stills market, then surely there is also demand for 4K in the video market.

What's more it's completely killed my appetite to upgrade. I've always been restless on other cameras. Hankering for more. With the 1D C I can see myself still using it in 3 years and not really caring about what else has come along by then. 10bit? Meh. I can't tell the difference. Global shutter? Nice, but not essential. Depends on the shoot. And beyond 4K resolution, I think is just sheer overkill for everything but large scale stadium or public event screens, outdoors. No way is 8K going to take off indoors, in cinemas or in the home. 14-15 stops dynamic range? Again nice but difference is subtle for most shots. It's rare you have a shot that requires more than 12 stops. So, hard to see where to go after the 1D C to be honest. I think progress might flatten out in the traditional sense. The emphasis will switch to other things. AI, new focus systems, organic sensors and more nimble lighting & rigging. The image quality pixel peeping wars are almost over.

​This is exactly how I feel about the 1D C's image. It is that image I wanted most and it's different. It is like having best attributes of the BMCC, A7S SLOG2 and 5D3 raw in one camera but in 4K. And compared to the BMCC it is far better ergonomically. Compared to the 5D raw it is more reliable on a shoot. Compared to the A7S it is 4K internal, that matters a lot. The image is silky in the blacks like the BMCC. You can raise the blacks so much and there's nothing, I repeat nothing, nasty in them... no crushing, no digital noise, just organic texture and smooth velvety tones. Canon LOG with the view assist is so easy to work with. Nobody wants to show talent on a shoot the B/W jerky raw playback mode of Magic Lantern or grey SLOG 2. It's a different beast to the FS7. It is smaller, you throw it in a tiny bag with your lenses and off you go. It is a stills camera, my main one now. I can't use the FS7 as a stills camera and therefore I can't use the FS7 in places where only stills cameras are allowed, like Buddhist temples or in other sensitive situations on location. And who wants to attract the attention of officials on public transport asking for permits because the FS7 makes you look pro? What a hassle. The GH4, NX1 and A7S all have far more compressed looking blacks and more macro blocking in the shadows. 1D C has a silk like image that is the closest you can get to film right now on digital. It really is up there with the Alexa. I just shot a music video in anamorphic with it. I lit for ISO 1600, didn't need to touch ISO throughout the shoot. Even here the blacks are like silk, or ISO 200 on GH4 but without the compression and I had 2-3 stops of dynamic range to spare in the highlights. Only the BMCC would have come close but it would have been ISO 400 or noisy, and I would have struggled with the 2.3x crop vs almost full frame on the 1D C. That makes a HUGE difference, even over typical Super 35mm stuff.

If they are marketing a camera at every price point for videographers they need to compete on basic specs. You can't compete in the 4K market with a line skipping 1080p camera. People have 5K iMacs now, $500 4K monitors and $2000 TVs yet Canon doesn't have a camera for them under $8k. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

This 'creating a barrier to entry' thing... it's a bit like the Berlin wall. It's actually a barrier to keep people IN not out. They want to stop pros migrating to cheap cameras.