Andrew Reid

  The A7S can go to 12,800 cleanly and it costs $2k. It's cleaner in low light at ISO 12,800 than the 1D C is at 6400 at "only 10,000 euros". Bargain I say, that 1D C. Bargain!

But not because of cameras or sensors, so your point is moot. Nice try. Some really ripe troll frying material on this thread so far

  When 1080/30p/25p or 24p is selected you have available 0.25x slow mo in the menus.   Output frame rate of the file remains 30/25/24 but sensor cranks up to give you the slow mo.   So 0.25x slow-mo is quarter speed. At 30p x 4 = 120   Looks like 120fps to 30p conformed in-camera when I shoot with it.   Still to really dive into it 100% and write the blog post about it to compare it to 120fps on the A7S and 96fps on the GH4. Until then take all this info as preliminary!

  Scoop!

Very clever :)

  It's hardly a bad 1" camera. The 1" sensor it uses is the best 1" sensor on the market.

  Maybe not on EosHD but they do on EOSHD.     Who are "They"? It's such a gross simplification you're trying to pass off as a relevant argument. The audience at EOSHD is mostly advanced amateur and pro. Enthusiasts with high knowledge and those looking to increase that knowledge. The advanced amateur filmmakers I know from my 4 years of running EOSHD just don't do what you're describing. They read reviews first and research the options. They choose the right tool for the job and one that matches their existing lenses. And nobody with high knowledge spending $3000 on a camera simply walks into a shop and blindly buys what the sales assistant recommends. You're talking about a specific type of customer with LOW knowledge who doesn't have a clue and doesn't really know the options inside out like we do... they don't know that Samsung currently have a better APS-C sensor and that Sony currently have better image quality. A Canon 60D is enough for them and it's cheaper, and it feels familiar ergonomically in the 10 seconds they have to try the cameras in the shop, so they buy it. This is the person you're describing and it's completely irrelevant to the topic you're applying it to.   Actually many of the general consumers are buying Sony at the moment especially the younger demographics, as they have always used LCDs to compose an image, and the optical viewfinder seems unnatural to them.     Big film studios have used a Panasonic. There have been major box office hits shot on the GH2. As for colour science, Panasonic VariCam - I say no more. The big accessory companies in the US like Zacuto and the smaller more specialist ones like Hot Rod Cameras are big Panasonic supporters and these guys are as much a part of the big film studio food chain as top directors and DPs. Their stuff is used all the time in major film and TV productions. If pros never used Panasonic Micro Four Thirds, Hot Rod wouldn't be doing PL adapters for them.     So what? I'm not talking about that market! I'm talking about the high knowledge enthusiast crowd which is where Canon are failing right now.   And this crowd contains a lot of "influencers". The herd follow the shepherd eventually.   For the record iMacs are not overpriced. 5K screen for a start. Samsung TVs are not overpriced. They have a full range of models right down to bargain prices and the price / performance ratio is excellent on almost all of them.     Well that's a great attitude.   Says it all really  :rolleyes:

  Doug! It's $12,000! Not an enthusiast market camera! Hello! Do you read me!? DOUG!?

  Do you shoot a lot in low light Doug? You clearly read a lot in low light!! I clearly said "overall" that the GH4 and NX1 offer more features than the 1D C. They are better all-rounders, better optimised for shooting video. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. I didn't design the cameras. Don't blame me for delivering to you a bunch of nice facts from the world out there.   As for "there's no extreme lowlight 4K camera alternative on the market" to the 1D C, I think you'll find the 4K output of the A7S is better in low light.   Again I didn't just invent that... it's a fact.

  How do you know? You don't.   DSLR shipments are down and compacts have plummeted. That has definitely cost them. If you look on the stills forums, people have the same complaint as I do about video. Not enough innovation, nigh on same sensor performance for half a decade and no high end mirrorless camera. If you look at the G1 X Mark II design in a shop... get your hands on it... compare it to LX100 or Canon's own G16... it tells you everything about how uninspired Canon's 2014 has been.

Sony and Panasonic's camera / imaging divisions are profitable.   Damphouse seems to be confused. It is the TV and phone businesses that have posed the problem. Firstly the products were just not competitive enough (or imaginative enough) and Samsung / LG entered the market and said "we'll do it better and cheaper". They did that in both LCDs and phones, so double whammy. Apple entering the phone market of course put paid to the Sony Ericsson / Panasonic high end phone business to some large degree as well - especially outside of Japan. Look at Motorola and Nokia, similarly screwed. Nothing to do with the cameras not being good enough Damphouse!   With DSLR shipments going down and mirrorless rising or holding steady depending on the market, I think Canon could do well to follow the example of Fujifilm and Sony, by introducing a high end mirrorless camera.   But they won't because they have the EF lenses to 'protect' just like Nokia had candybar feature phones to protect. Similarly with Cinema EOS being protected from their DSLRs, that is the death knell of any kind of decent video on the consumer products.

It definitely needs polish, and I can't BEEEELLLIIIVE the left out raw photo editing... huge marketing and selling point of the phone that is.   I am very happy with it now I have this feature.   It's so cool to be able to grade a 20MP 12 stop dynamic range still on a phone and upload it straight away.

If you just want something tiny on the other hand... Go Pro Hero 4 (Black Edition) of course does 4K internal, 24p. Worth a go.

If walk-around run & gun is your thing I recommend the A7 Mark II with the 5 axis stabilisation. Bigger than a phone and an extra device to carry but in my view, good stabilisation for that kind of thing is more important than 4K. The 4K you would get from a phone would barely be any more detailed than 1080p and it would look compressed, clipped, limited dynamic range, video-ish. Interchangeable lenses on a large sensor are the way to go for video if you don't want it to look like rubbish.

  In my opinion it is completely the other way round to what you are describing :) They have an excellent marketing department. The 7D Mark II is not the best APS-C with unheard of specs at all. It's an old 70D in an old 5D Mark III body slightly rejigged and the AF updated.   The sensor is a generation behind Samsung's APS-C process. The manufacturing is behind.   The sensor cannot do 4K video. The Samsung one can.   Let's not mention the codec... that mushy codec, noisy at ISO 200 and a pale imitation of the raw sensor feed we all know it's capable of internally because of Magic Lantern. Mosquito noise at ISO 200... is that included in the "unheard of spec"!?   Resolution. Behind. Dynamic range. Behind. EVF, none. Proper timelapse mode, crippled. Continuous shooting rate, behind Samsung's 15fps. LCD, behind AMOLED. Peaking, none. H.265, none. 4K, none. 4K HDMI, none. 10bit HDMI! NONE! And then you blame the marketing department when it gets a bad reception with enthusiasts... pardon me, but this is just madness.

  Kodak was profitable once. Nokia was profitable and Apple was loss making. Now Apple are the wealthiest organisation to have existed in the history of Earth and Nokia are gone. So you do realise your statement means nothing don't you?   Besides I don't care how much profit Canon make. I care about the cameras.   Canon haven't made much profit from me in the past year!

I can open and edit raw files on the CM1 now. App called Raw Droid enables it. Wonder why Panasonic didn't. Their image editor when launched from Raw Droid now works on the raw files. Grading raw right there on my phone. CM1 suddenly became a lot more attractive :)

Have you downloaded the ungraded files Matt?

  Why the f*** are you here then? :)

Although I've already given my score for the Panasonic CM1 I feel this is such a difficult camera to review it needs to be returned to. So for the past few days I've been using the CM1 as my main phone and have forced myself to get used to Android. I have to say that the charms are starting to grow on me, the frustrations from earlier have been fixed and I'm starting to have a lot more fun with it. I still don't think it's as good a smartphone as the iPhone and the camera isn't as cleverly implemented in some ways - but let's revisit the review and put some more user experiences down on the page. Read the full article here

If the T2i or T-rex from whatever era still floats your boat then fine. Nothing wrong with that. Some like the low-fi look! Sometimes so do I! But if the low-fi look was all we had... it would be very creatively limiting. No insane high ISO shoots like with the A7S which look so beautiful without requiring an Arri truck full of lights and a crew. No creative re-framing in post from 4K. No colour correction fun with raw (Canon still haven't officially ratified Magic Lantern's genius on that one). No stealth shooting bare bones with a built in EVF rather than a clunky loupe. No 120fps slow mo and no crisp details like we've enjoyed ever since the GH2 gave us proper 1080p and not line-skipped mush.   Creativity through technological innovation is a beautiful thing. DJI Inspire One - beautiful innovation. Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve - beautiful. Sony 12MP on a full frame sensor - incredible. Canon - just plain fucking boring. Good job there are some creative filmmakers around making so-so equipment look good purely through excellent story telling and lighting. But I want more than this. I want the technology to make new stuff possible that wasn't before. I want to tell a story with moon light or candle light. I want to tell a story with sequences at 120fps. I want to add drama and visual appeal. I just cannot do that with a Canon DSLR in the same way I can on other cameras for the same price.

It has 4:2:2 out. 4096 x 2160 as well.

If you want a flatter grade then the settings I just posted above plus Film Convert BMCC 2.5K Film gamma as Source Camera and Fj Velvia 100 as the film stock looks lovely! Clean ISO 3200!! Nice silky blacks!  

-35 contrast in the converter app (Wondershare) and "Retro" profile on -8 contrast are providing some interesting results in low light at ISO 1600 and 3200. Really moves the blacks away from the danger zone, but doesn't hurt highlights.

Here's how flat I can dial the NX1 using the custom picture profile. Pretty flat!   Plenty of info in the blacks there and not too noisy at ISO 1600 if you have a decent exposure like the one shown. If you don't then it does get very crushed and noisy down there.