Andrew Reid

Let's take this with a pinch of salt until someone impartial has tested the Shogun with the A7S.

Obviously when I mention 36MP I am talking about an advantage for stills, I am aware it is of detriment to video, unless you can read out all the pixels for 7K of course :)   I don't use my A7S for everything, never said I did. Keen to get a FS7 for slow-mo. I still use my 5D Mark III for raw video, though far less now I have the A7S. I shoot with the GH4 as a second option to my A7S, both great. And I can see a place in my bag for the FZ1000 too to get second angles, or as a shot grabber for real life action where you can't wait around to get focus right on full frame at F2.   My point is this: if I want slow-mo I go to Sony, or Red (rent an Epic). I don't go to Canon. If I want low light I go to Sony, again. Not Canon. That's two lost sales right there. If I want best bang for buck at $8k again I go Sony with the FS7. Looks superb. Canon have no answer to it, so at time of release the FS7 will get my $8k and Canon will get $0k. Do you see my point? And they have no decent mirrorless camera, let alone a 4K mirrorless camera, and they have no answer to the FZ1000 either.   Quite surprised at how many misunderstandings keep cropping up in this thread. My audience seems to have changed a lot from the days when I could just say something on level terms and be understood.

  I think that's expecting a helluva lot but I can give you a hint as to the answer. By C100 body do you mean C100 price tag as well? They're not going to give us the crown jewels for that price. They would reserve raw, ProRes, 120fps, etc for a high end body. Canon move only once the competition is a threat. I have a feeling now the FS7 is here they will roll out 4K into the $6k to $10k range, but I can't see them putting much else in there.

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  I wish it were that simple! D5200 sensor marking Toshiba, same spec sensor in D5300 but with a less noisy circuit connecting it to the image processor had Sony markings.

It is rumoured 4K video is appearing on the Leica S medium format system as well at Photokina.   http://lavidaleica.com/content/4k-leica-s-system-photokina   Personally i think 4K on either of these cameras is pretty unlikely.

Here's the manner in which I'm going to be presenting my questions:   First of all congratulations for being a sales leader in the DSLR market and for the successful launch of Cinema EOS. I do however have some concerns that I feel my readers would like addressing.   Canon’s strong sales are based on having that price-performance ratio just right and about leading in performance at a price which is attractive to the customer. Looking at a lot of the recent output of the company in terms of DSLRs I feel that performance advantage is now actually a shortfall to the competition especially in two regards - video and image sensors.   Panasonic and Sony are offering 4K video on their consumer stills cameras and Canon are not. Moreoever Sony’s image sensors are ahead on all the key performance metrics - resolution (36MP), low light (12MP full frame), dynamic range (even the cheap A7 is 2 stops better than the 1D X) and video (full pixel readout on the A7S).   In terms of price Sony have a more aggressive price point for the A7 vs the Canon 6D on full format, cheaper still when it comes to enthusiast APS-C models.   Also it is clear the C300 is outdated relative to the Sony FS7 just announced at IBC, which does 4K recording internally for $8k and 180fps slow-mo with a 10bit 4:2:2 XAVC codec and more importantly filmmakers who I have known to have embraced the C300 as owners are saying to Sony “well done on the ergonomics”, an area of great strength traditionally for Canon and a great selling point of the C300.   Additionally it’s now possible for Canon users to take their hefty investment in Canon lenses to other systems, notably to Sony and Panasonic mirrorless cameras. Speaking as a user myself of a huge range of EF lenses, the only reason I haven’t sold my 5D Mark III yet is because of auto-focus. I am shooting stills and video on the A7S.   How would you address the concerns I’ve highlighted here today?

I am indeed talking from the perspective of a filmmaker who wants to buy Canon's products but nothing appeals. Why would I want a Cinema EOS C300 for $12,000 when I could get a Sony FS7 for $8000? It shoots compressed 4K internal at manageable data rates and 180fps for slow-mo, along with an E-mount which can adapt to Canon and PL not just one or the other. I need this stuff, features Canon just doesn't have! Simples!   The DSLR / low end side is a mess. I wanted to upgrade from the 5D Mark III to a 1D X that shot 4K for $6k. That would have sold like crazy. Instead they put an insane mark-up on it to $12,000 and badged it as part of the Cinema EOS range, 1D C. I am not about to invest $12k in a camera that has already fallen $2k in price new and will be worth half as much in another 12 months. I don't even need to buy the 1D C now the A7S and GH4 are out anyway!   As a consumer, which I am as well, then why would I want to shoot stills on a 70D or 7D Mark II when I can get a full frame Sony camera for around about the same price?   Canon became sales leader because they were a price / performance leader. Now they're not leading in the technology or on price and DSLR shipments are going down, the evidence is on my side and the questions I'm asking are perfectly pertinent.

Definitely a possibility to film the interviews. Let's see. Once again, it will all be professional, polite and objective not a personal rant at a poor sales rep. I'm going to arrange to meet product managers at Canon and Nikon, people who should be in the right position to answer. And yes if they avoid answering or give a politician's shrug-off then that can be just as interesting, it speaks volumes about the truth doesn't it? You're quite right. The only thing I know they definitely 100% won't answer for sure, is questions relating to future products.

I don't normally zoom, refocus or set the exposure during a shot, it usually looks shit if you do this. You're supposed to frame, focus and set exposure before rolling. So no it isn't a limitation. More a problem for me is that in 120fps the image stabilisation system turns off. It would be nice if it didn't, but 120fps played back at 30fps slows down the shake too so it's acceptable most of the time.

  Have you read the main post? Where do I say Canon & Nikon are not sales leaders? They are not leading in the technology and DSLR shipments are down year on year since 2012. It isn't that Canon and Nikon are behind on sales.   Geez!

It could well be insane, but technically feasibility is another consideration and if we have raw on the Pocket Cinema Camera for under $1000 to SD cards, it's probably pretty simple to compress & dump the raw data already coming off the sensor in 1080p on the GH4.   Magic Lantern managed it, without even any proper access to Canon's code.

  What a joke, seriously you must be kidding me. Are you suggesting that in the 5 years I have lived and breathed DSLR video, writing hundreds of articles on EOSHD about the gear, and unlike you actually fucking shooting stuff, that this does not count as professional research for a bunch of questions at Photokina in 2014? You are out of your mind and damned bloody rude if you don't mind me saying so as well. Really angered me with this. I think you should take your animosity towards Andrew Reid and put it back on a forum like DVX where it belongs.

These specs seem over the top.   Hmm. Well it's all very strange and we'll find out Monday. Don't shoot the messenger if it turns out badly :)   By the way, GH4 is supposed to be getting compressed raw like the BMPCC. Believe it?

Before Jobs rejoined Apple there was the Quicktake. 0.3 megapixels :)   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_QuickTake

Shot with the FZ1000 today and can say I am very impressed with it. If you can see it, this thing can shoot it and the quality of the images especially in 4K are extremely good! I can go in seconds from a 35mm wide-ish establishing shot, to a close up of a jet in the sky taking off from a Berlin airport miles away. Astonishing versatility and speed of use. Also, the most usable lock-on AF for video I've ever had. Really fast and reliable. Didn't ever need to have it in manual focus so I was shooting lighting quick because of that and no dodgy focus shifts during a clip. The quality of the 120fps is very good too, more so at the long end of the lens on a human subject than at the wide angle with inanimate objects because there's some moire & aliasing like the GH4's slow-mo but again this is also better than I had expected. Attached a frame of the 120fps 1080p.

  A sensible suggestion.   I'm not happy with the arguing here at all, it's not good for the users and mods are supposed to be looking after the interests of the other users after all.

Sure it is not an early Casio?

Nice deal and not overpriced. Good to see!

  Time to switch systems I'm afraid. 7D Mark II won't be what you're looking for if the rumoured specs are true.   If it wasn't for Magic Lantern and AF with EF lenses (for stills), I'd have put my 5D Mark III on eBay about 16 months ago.

  It's not that I don't understand their logic, it's simply that I don't agree with it.

  They're obviously not going to answer that.

  Let’s hope the Apple mirrorless camera has more luck!!  It’s only a matter of time before Apple reinvent photography. Steve Jobs – much missed.

  That would be entertaining!   Any forum users want to dress up as Bruno and do it?

It is rare to see a less than positive review of a camera online today and rarer still to see tough questions asked of camera companies in interviews. At EOSHD I don't agree the 'yes man' relationship does the camera companies any favours at all. Here are my 10 tough questions for Canon and Nikon at Photokina. I'll be asking product managers in person exactly these on the day. It's important to say that although these are quite cutting questions there's absolutely no malevolent intent behind them. They come from me purely as a filmmaker & photographer who wants to see more innovative products from the big two. Read the full article here