Andrew Reid

  Full frame has a low noise advantage over Micro Four Thirds due to larger photo sites, that's what I mean by "low light performance". Didn't say "sensitivity".

The way I am handling it is -   If I am operating the camera on my own, no crew, then I bring 6 cards. That allows me to work for a good while before I need to do anything at all.   I then take the opportunity to have a break. It's good to have a break.   During that break, I have a coffee, and the cards empty swiftly via USB 3.0 to an external USB 3.0 2.5" hard drive, via Macbook Air. The Air and HDD are so small and light I hardly notice them when carrying them around, together they weigh less than my tripod.

DIalogue was shot on 12 minute long film reels to this day, and it never troubled anyone. Raw is 12 minutes per 64GB 'reel', and you swap out the reel when it is full.   Then you have someone, maybe even you, drag the folder to a Macbook Air. That takes less than 30 seconds and you continue shooting on a 2nd card whilst it is copying. After another 12 minute reel needs changing repeat the process, format the copied card when required.   On most film productions that is an easier job than making the tea!

Canon's competitors are waging a miniaturisation war against DSLRs. The Sony RX1 is not a DSLR replacement but Sony's same technology is building towards a full frame mirrorless system. This mouthwatering prospect may well turn up in Berlin this September at the IFA show where the NEX 7 was launched some years ago. [url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/11072/the-miniaturisation-war-sony-rx1-vs-5d-mark-iii]Read the full article here[/url]

Haha how much footage and how many cameras do people intend to shoot with on an average shoot?   10 and a data wrangler!? 240 hours worth a day?!   Raw is not that hard for a one or two cam shoot if you're reasonably economical on takes like a good filmmaker is.

I like Digital Bolex, Rich!   Forget the hipster-style marketing, they are producing a small engineering miracle. $120,000 or so is nothing to develop a camera with. Naaathing. They are giving us a global shutter & XLR for $2300. Same image quality as $8000 Ikonoskop.   Yes they are delayed. But so were Red, so are Blackmagic, on vastly larger budgets and staffing levels.

How bad is it?   Pretty bad I say. It's a real danger for crowd sourcing... What happens when the establishment starts using it? The answer is that you get everyone spending their money on episodes of Veronica Mars rather than on up and coming talents who really need the money.

  1920 x 1080 24p is 83MB/s to the card, the EOS-M's card controller cannot do that. So it flat out isn't possible.   It supports UHS-1 cards but that is not to say it can write at the maximum speed of the UHS-1 standard. Slow CPU is also a limiting factor.

Sony's recorder is what, $5400, 6000?   To do a 6K recorder.. *6K*... AND a camera. A CAMERA! For the price of Sony's recorder alone, is astonishing. I believe it will be in a different league to the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K in terms of ergonomic design and image quality. Feel strongly about this. Kinefinity are working miracles. The pricing may not suit everyone, that's natural. Magic Lantern raw is still stunning value on the 5D Mark III for example.

Only joking not really  :D

I'd recommend a zoom which moves some small element internally, if you're using a stabiliser.   Most zooms really do push out not just the glass to the front, but the housing of the lens as well.

  I replied to your email though didn't I? Thing with email is, that if I replied to all of them I'd be sat in front of Mac Mail for 24hrs a day and my life would fall apart, so it's only for that small reason I sometimes don't reply to you :)

No I'm banning you because you're annoying. Goodbye!

  You can use generic media in it. Off the shelf SSDs from Amazon, etc.

Shut up.

Mark are you drunk? Not talking about the pocket. Talking about the Production Camera 4K.

  A niche to Canon and Nikon could be another company's entire market share. The big corporations lose sight of the direction the market is heading in, by ignoring niches.   Sometimes a niche is small because the market is heading away from it, sometimes it is small because it's young and the market is drifting towards it.   The trick is to find out if it is growing or not.   Actually most manufacturers have been very reactive to our niche, whatever the size, and added 24p for example very quickly. So it can't be that small.

The BMPC 4K is ergonomically poor and the weight is all on a narrow plain, which isn't something that can easily be solved by rigging, except for adding yet more weight.   What I enjoyed about the MINI is that it is so small and light.   The image quality of the sensor in the BMPC is suspect. Some people have said 8 stops usable dynamic range and ISO 400 native. That's a really noisy, dynamically range challenged chip. I don't see how they can clean up the output to get 12 stops from it. Global shutter has a big trade off for image quality, unless you're investing millions in bespoke CMOS technology like Sony with the F55.   So I'd rather have a rolling shutter and better image quality. That's the main factor for me in the BMPC vs KineRAW MINI debate.   I think if the KineRAW had a Canon badge on it, the internet would be on fire.

  I'm treating the raw market as a buyer.   Blackmagic haven't delivered for me.   Kineraw are making a more appealing product in the MINI. Slow mo, Super 35mm sensor, 4K upgradable. OK you have global shutter on the 4K BMCC but at the expense of image quality. What's more important?

Yes same as S35 in low light as it is a raw camera, and has the same sensor.

  Um, just transcode to ProRes at the end of every day's shoot? Not hard!

  Can you read? I'm saying they are better featured. Never mentioned sales at all!

On the European website, the raw port for the 4K output is a 279 euro optional extra and you can add it to the base 3199 model. But I will investigate to be sure on this.   The recorder price hasn't been announced so you're plucking $8k from the air.   As for the other comments on this thread, you need to raise the quality of your posts guys.

[media]http://vimeo.com/72841566[/media] KineRAW MINI is now available to order from Kinefinity's official European reseller Kinefinity are at BIRTV in Shanghai this week. Dan Chung has been there to speak to Kinefinity and the European dealer HD Videoshop now have more details on the MINI upgrades in the pipeline. [url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/11058/4k-upgrade-path-for-kineraw-mini-confirmed-with-kinedeck-6k-external-recorder]Read the full article here[/url]

There's no need to drop the price. KineRAW MINI is not a BMCC clone. It is getting a 4K upgrade path and has a better image than the 4K BMCC. That's worth paying a bit more for.