Andrew Reid

[quote author=AndrewP link=topic=515.msg3541#msg3541 date=1333825494] I think I smirked in disbelief at how "under par" the NEX7 appeared by comparison. The really cool thing is that the GH2 can go from a super sharp highly detailed image that will essentially walk all over every DSLR + the FS100 / AF100 and then morph straight into a softer filmic image with the right lens / patch / filter combination, that will rival any digital camera under 20k outside of RED for producing a true cinematic image. It's mind boggling how adaptable the GH2 really is, it can be anything you want it to be. Something about the motion rendering / blur between the frames that gives the GH2 a very filmic feel as well. Many people don't know how to unlock it's secrets and just go by what they see in videos made on lumix lenses... but they have no idea. It's truly a gem, that still very few people have discovered, let alone learned to use properly. [/quote] Very well put! It is underrated by the masses.

I'm not saying the GH2 outdoes anything. It is well known what the strengths of an Alexa are. The GH2 is not going to be an A-cam on Bond. You just quoted back at me what I wrote in my own article! "You'd want the dynamic range, the great skin tones". What I am saying is that you can intercut between the 3 cameras perfectly well.

[quote author=Simco123 link=topic=541.msg3534#msg3534 date=1333819773] [quote author=Andrew Reid - EOSHD link=topic=541.msg3533#msg3533 date=1333818180] [quote author=Max link=topic=541.msg3531#msg3531 date=1333814951] Season 1  and  2 was shoot entirely with alexa. [url=http://www.arri.de/news.html?article=655&cHash=cc3587c6fb7faace2e86d73d0386df39]http://www.arri.de/news.html?article=655&cHash=cc3587c6fb7faace2e86d73d0386df39[/url] I am not sure why GH2  is mention regards cinema movie with the top dogs Any idea? [/quote] It is mentioned purely because of the end result being closer than you'd expect for the price gap. Should be obvious really. Don't need to go overboard on explaining the obvious. If you were shooting Sky Fall on a $100m budget you'd have to be absolutely out of your mind not to choose the very best cinema camera that technology allows. The GH2 is not that camera, the Alexa is. Simple. But the other story is what EOSHD is about. [/quote] On restricted space were a small camera are needed I can see the use of dSLR. I can also see the use of dSLR  mounted on mini remote control helicopter for moving overhead shot instead of mounting an Alexa and risk losing an expensive piece of kit in case it crashes. [/quote] Also as car cam, that needs light rig, where heavy gear would be a very nasty projectile if there was a problem. Also DSLRs and small cameras have a stealth factor which can be useful for certain on-location stuff in public spaces.

[quote author=Max link=topic=541.msg3531#msg3531 date=1333814951] Season 1  and  2 was shoot entirely with alexa. [url=http://www.arri.de/news.html?article=655&cHash=cc3587c6fb7faace2e86d73d0386df39]http://www.arri.de/news.html?article=655&cHash=cc3587c6fb7faace2e86d73d0386df39[/url] I am not sure why GH2  is mention regards cinema movie with the top dogs Any idea? [/quote] It is mentioned purely because of the end result being closer than you'd expect for the price gap. Should be obvious really. Don't need to go overboard on explaining the obvious. If you were shooting Sky Fall on a $100m budget you'd have to be absolutely out of your mind not to choose the very best cinema camera that technology allows. The GH2 is not that camera, the Alexa is. Simple. But the other story is what EOSHD is about.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/alexa-vs-c300.jpeg[/img] Above: Shane Hurlbut ASC shoots a talking heads promo trailer for [url="http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/04/dueling-canon-c300-and-arri-alexa/"]HBO’s Game of Thrones[/url] with the Canon C300 (right) and Arri Alexa (left) How is this for a camera test to end them all? [url="http://twitter.com/#!/hurlbutvisuals"]Shane Hurlbut[/url] was asked to shoot a trailer for Game of Thrones and he took along a couple of C300s to use as C & D cameras to the Alexa A & B. How do they compare? [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7767/canon-c300-versus-arri-alexa-on-game-of-thrones/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

Yes, try the EOSHD Unified hack or enter your own bitrate for 1080/30p in PTools

Katon and Astro. Not taking sides but will say this: think of the value you can add to the forum, and what others would find interesting to read.

Sure happy to correct you. Yes it does.

[quote author=Per Lichtman link=topic=515.msg3372#msg3372 date=1333389521]Since I already have 70-200mm f/2.8 and 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L series zooms from Canon, and especially since I spent a couple weeks using their 600mm F4 L series in December on both the GH2 and Canon crop bodies, it is hard for me to get excited about another 300mm telephoto, even if it is light. With a 600mm in EX mode on the GH2, the moon`s largest crater dominated the screen. As to Katon`s comment, I in know why mean to disrespect your experience or background when I say that there is no reason why more resolution has to look harsher. The biggest problems going from film to HD digital production was the high contrast and harshness and overly sharp look of things, not the (alleged) increase in resolution (which was really much more a situation specific question as some film prints were clearly superior to others and they wore over time).[/quote] Ah but I bet the 600mm F4L from Canon is not £350!  ;D You are right about HD digital production re: contrast and harshness. Harsh highlights, sudden roll off, crushed blacks, over sharpened footage, it all conspires for a less cinematic look. There's no single benefit to the 5D Mark III which solves all of this compared to the GH2. Neither are an Alexa. The trick is to expose well, choose the right image profile on location, avoid heavy grading and most importantly use a cinematic looking piece of glass. Using a good ND also helps, by keeping shutter speed optimal in bright light. I didn't use one with this test because it is purely a resolution test not a test of shutter speeds and 24p. Beyond that basic technique, the main difference between non-cinematic footage and cinematic footage is the way it has been shot by the idiot behind the camera!

[quote author=christianhubbard link=topic=515.msg3379#msg3379 date=1333398539] Andrew, can you do a rundown of contax zeiss glass that is available for DSLR work? there isnt a detailed list to refer to and much of the information out there about converting these lenses are strewn about several different sites. Thanks [/quote] Dude! This is 1st result in Google. Great list, bit wordy but does the job [url=http://photo.net/equipment/contax/shea-lenses]http://photo.net/equipment/contax/shea-lenses[/url]

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/39509327"]http://www.vimeo.com/39509327[/url] [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eoshd/sets/72157629696433851/"]Get the 1080p frame grabs here[/url] There’s a large difference in the image from these 3 cameras. See how they compare in this test video. Later in the video there is also a test of the Contax Zeiss 300mm F4 in Ex-Tele crop mode (1:1 1080p from the centre of the sensor) on the GH2. In this mode you can see into people’s windows from 2 miles away sat on a hillside. It is insane!! [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7722/5d-mark-iii-vs-gh2-vs-nex-7/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/sony-fs700.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7710/the-sony-nex-fs700-4k-for-8k"]As first revealed on EOSHD last week[/url]Â the $8k Sony FS700 has now been officially unveiled. The specs are as leaked but there are some significant extra details which make it even better, especially in terms of slow mo which is full 1080p all the way up to 240fps! [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7748/4k-ready-sony-fs700-officially-announced/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

Go and see what Canon say about the design of the sensor and prove to me that it is BS. Because at the moment you are the one full of BS.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/539.jpg[/img] Above – genius, behind the Panasonic GH2. The leader of Panasonic’s digital imaging development team has admitted that resources have been diverted from global shutter development in order to satisfy market demand for 3D gimmickry. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/362/panasonic-g-series-dev-team-hints-at-rift-with-marketing/"]Read full article[/url] [/html] PLEASE NOTE: this is an old article.

In my opinion... A mixture of April Fools Day and Russian humour. ::)

There's nothing similar what-so-ever between the 5D Mark III's sensor and C300. One is a 8MP sensor with custom bayer design for true 1080p and the other is a classic bayer 22MP for photography.

What have you done to that frame grab to make it look so bad?  ??? There aren't any halos on the original footage so just curious to what you did to introduce them... What is the point? There's even one on the text I added, that wasn't there before (Photoshop). In my opinion the footage looks hands down better. Not sure if in-camera sharpening was on or off in this test, something to bear in mind too.

James told me the top OLPF is easy-ish. But the 2nd is bundled in with the self-cleaning unit. My advice is wait for him to do a guide of some kind. Looks very promising.

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/39594898"]http://www.vimeo.com/39594898[/url] Update: James has had a full day’s shooting now with the modified 5D Mark III. Check out the footage above. Warning: please wait for this to all shake out. Don’t hastily modify your 5D Mark III without the necessary technical knowledge and research. Opening the camera voids the warranty and risks irreparable damage. [url="http://twitter.com/#!/millerandmiller/status/186085781683703809/photo/1"]James Miller[/url] has decided to open up his brand new Canon 5D Mark III, tear it down and remove the blurring anti-aliasing filter from in front of the sensor. It does seem like a particularly strong optical low pass filter on this camera, which produces very soft results in video mode. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7727/james-miller-removes-optical-low-pass-filter-from-5d-mark-iii-for-resolution-increase/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=cameraboy link=topic=494.msg3245#msg3245 date=1333131808] GH2 has great resolution  but resolves around 780 lines ... c300 goes beyond 1000 lines probably with little false details... there is something about f3 vs fs100 ... fs100 resolves around 700 but f3 goes almost 1000... same sensor but different olpf .. measurement take by slashcam.com ... i believe that guys doing best job... [url=http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_211.jpg]http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_211.jpg[/url] [url=http://produktdbimages4.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_204.jpg]http://produktdbimages4.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_204.jpg[/url] 1. f3 2.fs100 [/quote] Please elaborate on those charts, I have no idea what they mean  ;D

Even if it is not real 4K, it will still be a lot higher resolution than real 1080p. GH2 is not real 1080p either, but yet it is within 2-3% of the C300's resolving power! It is important not to overstate and overhype small things. Overhype the big things by all means!

I'm not saying there is no need. I am saying it is vastly overrated like raw is as well. I don't colour grade my stuff, I prefer to get it right at the time of shooting.

[quote author=Tzedekh link=topic=494.msg3230#msg3230 date=1333115715] If the FS700 records 4K but only at 8-bit, that would be really stupid. [/quote] I'm all for this opinion, but you must say why and not just say that it is stupid...

It isn't really supposed to take the place of the F3. If it was, it would be called the F4 not the FS700. I am not sure where you got 10 stops of DR from. The FS100 had at least 11.5! 4:2:0? Again - not a very good guess. This will be 4:2:2 as the FS100 also does to an external box. 10bit is overhyped, I feel. So I have a challenge for you! Show me the difference between 8bit FS100 footage and 10bit F3 footage and exactly what 10bit (not 4:4:4 just the 10 bit colour) brings to a 4:2:2 image. In my opinion, 4K is a bigger deal than 10bit colour.

[quote author=cameraboy link=topic=494.msg3221#msg3221 date=1333099643] because is NEX its probaly 8 bit 444 HD-SDI ... and if records 4K internaly thats going to be 80-100 mbit 420 h264... gamma curves same as fs100 ... no slog .... that is enough to protect f3... [/quote] Gamma curves on the FS700 are as the F3.