Andrew Reid

Be sure to check out the C300 source MXF video files, for download on this page [url=http://carousel.hu/c300/?page_id=233]http://carousel.hu/c300/?page_id=233[/url] I won't be buying one at the current price though. FS100 and DSLRs lightyears better value.

A good article for the technically minded, very well written and well illustrated!

[quote author=jlev23 link=topic=456.msg2956#msg2956 date=1332687433] remember that the GH2 was not delivered to us with this higher resolution, i had the camera and it was a big disappointment, virtually unusable. until the hack came out[/quote] Just not true. It was superb for resolution out of the box. The hack just firmed it up for motion and added a finer noise grain, better gradients.

Don't think any D800E video footage is out there yet. But it would almost certainly exaggerate the mild aliasing and moire issue of the D800 not having an anti-aliasing filter over the sensor.

[quote author=AaronChicago link=topic=456.msg2912#msg2912 date=1332599805] Regarding the need to transcode for color work. I've recently discovered that Premiere CS5 and above, automatically expands footage to 4:4:4 ,32 bit float, in the timeline! No more transcoding to get latitude for finishing. Also regarding sharpening, Unsharp Mask works wonders compared to the plain ole Sharpen. This footage is looking great in my opinion though. Thanks! Aaron [/quote] This is true. No need for 5DToRGB or MPEG StreamClip, Premiere Pro CS5.5 is a superb piece of software for editing natively in. Especially 1080/60p AVCHD natively, which is still very flakey in FCPX.

Thanks jcs. However I have decided I just don't like the digital sharpening. It should be 1080p straight off the bat, otherwise it looks weird. I am finding that I either apply a little sharpening, which hardly makes it much closer to true 1080p, or I apply a lot which works for some shots but completely destroys others. 5D Mark III is teetering on the bring of eBay for me right now since D800 is looking like a worthy replacement, even with the slight moire and aliasing it appears to have.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/d800-fx.jpg[/img] [url="https://vimeo.com/39035275"]Freelance BBC shooter Johnnie Behiri[/url] has had his hands all over the new Nikon DSLRs recently and has been keeping me informed about their pros and cons. The big news here is just how good the Nikon D800′s video with cutting edge Sony sensor is relative to its big brother the D4. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7620/3000-nikon-d800-thrashes-flagship-6000-nikon-d4-for-video/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=Simco123 link=topic=455.msg2919#msg2919 date=1332613971] [quote author=jindrich link=topic=455.msg2916#msg2916 date=1332612145] On the other hand, when shooting at 1080 all the nasyness go away and resolution shown is impressive. It's not free of some artifacts, but neither is the 5D3, which still shows moire at times (see video with the guy and a Lowepro bag) [/quote] Are you sure that was a 5D3 and not a 5D2 :-\ [/quote] Simco is right jindrich that was the old 5D2 vs D800. Pretty bad moire on both of those to my eye.

I wish these guys would get a proper tripod, tests giving me a headache!  :-X I don't think aliasing is completely solved in 1080p but moire and aliasing usually worse in 720p so you could have a point Hessler.

[quote author=sandro link=topic=455.msg2909#msg2909 date=1332595091] The aliasing on the D800 is HORRIBLE. No company can make it right :S [/quote] Could those videos have been shot with the D800E with no anti-aliasing filter? Possible. Because the two above don't have the same issues and neither does the Taiwan temple video.

Yep they fixed it  ;D That is one hell of a brick wall sir. BTW if you watch it embedded it looks like the D800! (joking) I just feel it is still a shame that the resolution still feels like 720p.

[quote author=Hessler link=topic=455.msg2884#msg2884 date=1332544940] Here is another video you might wanna take a look at, this video has no moire, but I can see aliasing in the grill of a car passing by, but the image looks great: https://vimeo.com/39073054 [/quote] That is better. Issues with horizontal lines but apart from that it is beautiful.

[quote author=Hessler link=topic=455.msg2881#msg2881 date=1332540999] Andrew, have you seen this video:  [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXx9qOHXBLg#ws]Nikon D800 first Hands on Morié effect RAW clip 720p[/url] the moire is really bad here [/quote] Not sure I trust that is 1080p mode on camera. 720p on YouTube. But it is pretty bad. Far worse than any other D800 clip I've seen so far for moire.

[quote author=gene_can_sing link=topic=456.msg2888#msg2888 date=1332549271]With that said, for $3000 more, I would expect nothing less.[/quote] Yeah. Although I am trying to be positive, the situation is still poor. Trying to make a $3000 camera look as good as a $600 one. Oh dear!

[quote author=ZigFilm link=topic=454.msg2885#msg2885 date=1332545791] I think it's important to not just compare specs and features but to also compare the looks that these cameras create.  Personally, I love the look of the footage shot with the MII.  I am still thinking of adding a MIII for the low light features but I'm not in a particular hurry to pull the trigger.  The FS100 sounds like an amazing camera but the footage looks very stale and flat to me.  Very "video-y".  Yeah, I know, that's very technical of me to say...  I really want to see the MIII and the FS100 footage side by side.  I'm also worried that cutting the 5D MII footage in with the FS100 footage won't look great. [/quote] Agree with you that the aesthetics are more important than specs but I don't think the FS100 footage looks like video, it depends how it is shot and graded. Sharper footage doesn't always look less cinematic. Take a look at this for a good example of what the FS100 (and F3) is capable of... [url=http://www.vimeo.com/29106428]Reeling Back / Autumn 2011[/url]

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d-mark-iii-sharpening1.jpg[/img] Good news – Technicolor CineStyle works with the 5D Mark III already. The picture profile loads in the same way as before on previous Canon DSLRs. You will need to install the EOS Utility from the CD that came with your 5D Mark III to put CineStyle on your camera. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7608/cinestyle-on-the-5d-mark-iii-and-fixing-softness-in-post/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

The reason the F3 wasn't included was because I don't think it is unique enough. All the cameras in the article had unique differences... such as the slow mo of the FS100 and the price, the cheap cost of a 5D Mark II on eBay used relative to other full frame video cameras capable of as good an image, the cheap price and astoundingly insane res of the GH2, etc, etc. The F3 is a great camera but it basically delivers nip and tuck the same image quality as the FS100 with G-LOG profile. And I don't like the form factor... At least the C300 and Scarlet have unique selling points for their high prices... The C300's 'perfect 1080p' downscaled from a 4K CMOS, the form factor and the Scarlet's 4K and aggressive specs. The F3 like the FS100 is not completely free of artefacts like the C300 is but I doubt anyone in an audience would notice to be honest! Even on a cinema screen! That leaves us with one more notable exception in the article... the AF100. You have to REALLLLLY want the ND and HD-SDI of this camera to downgrade your sensor so much over the similarly priced FS100. I also dislike the design of it, seems a bit dated now. Don't forget the GH2 performs better than the AF100 for image quality, even on a chart!

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nikon-d800-2.jpg[/img] Above: frame grab from Longshan’s Temple shot on the Nikon D800 in Taiwan. [url="http://vimeo.com/38912704"]Click here[/url] to go to the Vimeo page and to download the original. These findings have rather taken me aback. Not only is the Nikon D800′s video quality far better than the Nikon D4 and more detailed than the 5D Mark III, the low light performance of the raw sensor data is nip and tuck with the Nikon D4 despite having double the megapixel count. Even more surprising is that the D800 just scored the number 1 position overall on DXOMark… out-performing a PhaseONE digital back! Needless to say this camera is now on my radar. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7590/first-truly-representative-nikon-d800-video-footage-dxomark-says-sensor-is-best-ever/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=biginvegas link=topic=454.msg2860#msg2860 date=1332517823] So you bought the FS100 and [i]consistently never mention[/i] or dismiss the Panasonic Af100 that has now dropped into that $4200k price zone. I have just shot a feature doc, shooting it solo with a hacked GH2 (driftwood) and AF100 with mostly the Voigtlander 0.95. as it was mostly a night shoot.  The only issue I had shooting daily for 6 weeks with the GH2 was inconsistent decent sound (Beachtek to XLR mic or Zoom H4N) as compared to the AF100 plug in my Rode NTG and go.  The AF as a pro doc camera for its price is the best out there.  I often backpacked both and would shoot depending on circumstances. Intimate more personal space the GH2.  Events, out door run and gun, the AF rocked handheld or with a monopod, no rig needed even though I own the Cineroid EVF.  I did the full comparison with the FS100 when I bought the AF.  Barry Greens ( I know how you love the guy!) comparison pretty much summed up the two for me. [url=http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?260461-FS100-and-AF100-compared&highlight=af100+v+sony+fs100]http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?260461-FS100-and-AF100-compared&highlight=af100+v+sony+fs100[/url] The only issue I have is blown highlights in the AF100 that I get around by either figuring out composition in shot, use the GH2 or live with the image and try grade.  This is documentary after all and it's always how I tell the story first (that is get the story!) rather than what my footage looks like.  BTW peaking on AF100, in camera ND's and waveform excellent when I'm handheld run and gun. I'm putting in an order for the Voigt 17mm 0.95 and with that and my Nikon primes figure I'm good to go for next few feature docs and several years to come.  At the moment cutting and still shooting and I'm 60-40 GH2 ratio of shooting but expect to be 50-50 by end. [/quote] I just don't think, aside from the ND, that the AF100 offers much over the FS100 because it has a weaker sensor and a bulkier form factor. The GH2 has better image quality for $600 with the hack. I don't need the AF100 alongside it, the FS100 is just flat out better for my needs. Read Barry's views on the AF100 vs FS100 and he is welcome to keep them!

[quote author=tungah link=topic=454.msg2861#msg2861 date=1332518594] No Canon 1DX love? [/quote] Not used one but on paper, nothing to offer over 5D Mark III for video apart from an eye watering price tag.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/digital-cinema-cameras-guide.jpg[/img] Disclaimer: I usually say don’t wait – shoot with what you can get now, the best you can afford. But March 2012 is an unusual month because NAB 2012 is around the corner in April. The picture may change somewhat. Bear that in mind! The candidates are: [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7576/which-digital-cinema-camera-to-get-now/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

There is still hope. Just don't hold your breath. You'll die seven times before gaining 1% better image.

[quote author=Sara link=topic=444.msg2845#msg2845 date=1332489604] https://vimeo.com/38957580 F3 and FS100 wow! [/quote] Pretty pretty good.

Do you have an orange sun tan as well Simco?  8) A generous offer but I shall hold off for now... 5D Mark III remains with me for now. I'm seeing if I can work with it and solve some of the issues like the codec noise and softness in post.

It is variable bitrate, the allocated amount depends on what you're shooting. Stop the lens down to F11, go wide angle, in good light with lots of movement and detail then test again.