Andrew Reid

Here's my go at it... Kind of depressing trying to make a $3500 camera look like a $600 to be honest. But it does sharpen up without too many nasties. Nice... Sort of. Still not convinced it can fully be salvaged in motion though... Isn't all this digital sharpening very un-cinematic and eye fatiguing in motion? It certainly seems it to my eye so far, but thanks for the inspiration. GH2 on the left. Sharpened 5D3 shot is on right of first screen shot. Original is bottom file right side.

[quote author=Sara link=topic=405.msg2831#msg2831 date=1332468451] Though not GH2 or C300 or FS100 levels of detail - this is the best I have seen from the D800 thus far.  He overexposed a lot of shots and the colors are a touch flat (true of all D800 videos so far - not his fault). Interesting though. https://vimeo.com/38912704 [/quote] NOW my head hurts! This looks far more detailed and less compressed than any other D800 footage thus far. There's a few nasties... macro blocking around highlights in the red channel and some aliasing on horizontal lines... But it really does look close to proper full HD. Quite unlike what I have seen from the D4 so far as well. All the softness seemed to have gone. Maybe it is the magic of Longshan's Temple?  ;)

This is interesting!

I'm interested to try some sharpening in post. What are you using? By the way I think this is too over sharpened... Fine for a still but it would look very animated in motion.

Great ISO but I agree with my 'GF' Sara  :P There's no detail! It looks really electronic and plastic. Actually this is a great example of my main critique of the 5D Mark III. Look at the Vimeo embed above at the detailing on the asphalt and the area with tons of highlights and lights. Looks lovely. Then see if you can resist puking when viewing it full screen.

[quote author=gene_can_sing link=topic=444.msg2819#msg2819 date=1332452257] About 4 years ago, Canon was handed the keys to a lucrative new species of camera. How they managed to Fu#K it up so bad is beyond comprehension. There was NO competition and they could have just owned this industry if they just weren't so greedy. [/quote] Same goes for Nikon, with the D90. They lucked into the ENTIRE DIGITAL CINEMA MARKET. With a live view function! I repeat... I live view function on a consumer DSLR! And what do they do!?? Canon decide to charge $16000 and Nikon decide to ignore it. My patience only goes so far. That is why I am Sony and Panasonic until further mind changes.

[quote author=5DGH link=topic=444.msg2810#msg2810 date=1332444620] [quote author=5DGH link=topic=444.msg2800#msg2800 date=1332434463] "Today I bought a Sony FS100." Considering what you've said all those years, not to mention your criticizing others, I find it very surprising that you bought FS100 - just like the others. I understand your disappoint with 5d Mk III but you've always hailed GH2 over cams such as FS100. In that regard, nothing is changed. GH2 is still GH2 and FS100 is still FS100. Yet, you're now with FS100. What gives? [/quote] Now you're listing all the good things. A while ago, you wrote this: [url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/588/the-sony-fs100-why-professionals-are-all-mad]http://www.eoshd.com/content/588/the-sony-fs100-why-professionals-are-all-mad[/url] along with many other posts & mentions dissing FS100. If I'm not mistaken, articles on EOSHD is not written by a team of people, right? [/quote] I'm still the same person but I've changed my mind about the FS100. Substitute FS100 for F3 or C300 in that article and it still stands  ;D My point there was that the FS100 was £4500 more than a DSLR, yet similar image quality (to GH2). That is still true but we are talking about the £3000 5D Mark III here. The FS100 is a year old and has come down to around $4000 used and $4699 new. The one I bought cost £2750 when converted from the USD price of $4300. The UK RRP of the 5D Mark III is £3000. So it actually works out cheaper to get a FS100 than this particular DSLR, with all that extra video functionality. And last time I looked, 5D Mark III doesn't do slow mo does it?  ::) Things change, and I change my mind to adapt...

[quote author=5DGH link=topic=444.msg2800#msg2800 date=1332434463] "Today I bought a Sony FS100." Considering what you've said all those years, not to mention your criticizing others, I find it very surprising that you bought FS100 - just like the others. I understand your disappoint with 5d Mk III but you've always hailed GH2 over cams such as FS100. In that regard, nothing is changed. GH2 is still GH2 and FS100 is still FS100. Yet, you're now with FS100. What gives? [/quote] Happy to tell you. I'll be using the GH2 and 5D Mark III seriously so I am now going to be shooting *just* with the FS100. Though there will be more FS100 coverage on the blog as a result, because I blog about what I use. The FS100 at the moment has become a seriously attractive camera and the only real DSLR alternative. C300 is ridiculously over priced. The main things that have changed between when the FS100 and the GH2 first came out over a year ago, is as follows... - The price. FS100 is now $4000 2nd hand. B&H are doing a rebate on it new, which comes to $4699. At release it was over $6000. The price in the UK where I live is much higher, but I can have it imported from the US for the same price as a new 5D Mark III in the UK, even with tax added. - Firmware update due imminently will add PAL to the NTSC camera. I need this! - I need slow-mo and a flat image profile for a project I'm doing. 1080/60p is lovely and it does a 100fps over-crank. - External recorders are getting very good and the FS100 does very good 1080/60p 4:2:2 uncompressed via HDMI which is very attractive. No DSLR does this. On the current Ninja you have to use 1080/24p in a 1080i wrapper. This will change with newer models. - Better built in LCD and peaking - Better in low light than GH2. The sensor is also slightly larger and has less rolling shutter. For sure the GH2 is still mega bang for buck. But we must recognise that the rise of the video camera is coming after DSLR video at lower and lower price points, so it is now a factor for the masses not just the elite who use the C300, etc. It is exciting. PS - For shoots where I need stealth factor I will definitely not be using the FS100, and I still prefer the ergonomics of the GH2 to be honest. It is small and easy to handle whilst the buttons on the FS100 are all over the damn place!

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/38959690"]http://www.vimeo.com/38959690[/url] The 5D Mark III is the long awaited 4 years in the making successor to the one that really started it all. Have Canon managed to keep the DSLR video flame alive? [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7551/canon-5d-mark-iii-review/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

I have noticed that there's quite a big difference between having sharpness at zero, and having it even just 1 or 2 notches above. Minimum sharpness does seem to turn it off completely. Looks like sharpening digitally in post rather than in-camera is way to go with the Mark III. Please keep the tests coming sir!

One to watch!

Some interesting views here. The 5D Mark III has an incredible sensor but having some issues with codec noise today. I thought they'd fixed the codec, well... Not quite it seems. Shot first proper project today on 5D Mark III so new material uploading now.

Thanks for that. Was expecting the still to be better. The camera does stunning stills. The video doesn't sharpen well, quite a lot of halos visible.

[quote author=Simco123 link=topic=434.msg2728#msg2728 date=1332306156] If GH2 can improve on the DR, highlight roll off, wacky consumer colours and electronic look I will always look for answers in a dSLR.[/quote] That is a really wacky statement. The GH2 keeps more of the original DR from the sensor than any other DSLR on the market. Compare how much is in a 5D Mark II raw still to what is left over in the video mode. DR in video mode is currently not sensor limited but depends more on the image processing and scaling side. The colours are anything but wacky on the GH2 and it has a very highly gradable image with the hack because so much data is maintained with the high bitrates. True the sensor does not do colour like a Canon DSLR. But the difference is more subtle than you give it credit for. As for the electronic look this is your fault not the camera's. Shoot better I suggest  :P

[quote author=magjipro link=topic=434.msg2727#msg2727 date=1332305283] A lot of things are wrong with this post and review.... Also I've always been skeptical with shooting with non Canon L glass, as a photographer shooting and full resolution you see the weakness in lesser glass. [/quote] Oh dear you don't get it my friend. PS, since when has Leica been 'lesser glass'. Shots above were with the 50mm R mount Leica stopped down to F5.6. I challenge you to get sharper than that!

@ Jeff - the D4 isn't better for resolution apart from in 2.7x crop mode with the same effective sensor size as a Nikon J1. I think you'll be disappointed with your decision, sorry. In short, resolution is terrible on both cameras compared to what true 1080p should really look like. I urge both Canon AND Nikon to sort their act out. I'm also having some terrible issues with noise at base ISO with my footage and gamma issues with the codec. That issue is on my Mac, but not via HDMI to a TV or projector! Not a good start to be honest.

[quote author=gene_can_sing link=topic=434.msg2711#msg2711 date=1332286504]With that said, for $3500, it should have true HD. Canon Sucks. The FS-100 is calling and I just don't know how much longer I can wait for Canon to get their act together, especially with the Metabones adaptor. Yes I am PISSED that I have to wait even longer for the 4K C-DSLR. The thing is, I have no problem dropping 6K on a camera, just want the right one. FULL FRAME with true 1080p. Also, put a F-Ing flip screen on it. Fixed screens suck for video. [/quote] Every sympathy. I think you hit the nail on the head with this.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d-mark-iii-shoot-1.jpg[/img] I now have my Canon 5D Mark III and I’m working my first piece of cinematography that I’ve shot with the camera, called Spring Revolution. The shoot is work in-progress but I have some initial impressions of the camera which I’m happy to share right now… [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7528/spring-revolution-my-shoot-with-the-canon-5d-mark-iii-first-impressions/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

That isn't the clarification you asked for, typical customer services  ??? So 99% sure it is 8 bit on D800, D4. And not really massively better than the internal AVCHD. The resolution is what kills it for me. Unlike the 5D Mark III it does not have the saving grace of clean detail and no moire either.

I was frankly amazed how much I was able to push it around before the image broke up. That codec is superb. Sensor also very much improved.

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Best way is to try the tripods out in the shop to get a feel for them. Some cheaper ones are surprisingly good but I'd try and invest at least another 50 euros if I were you. It will be a long lasting purchase if you get it right.

Use latest PTools and v1.1 firmware instead. You are using the out of date stuff!

Equivalent to the 28-105 L on the GH2 is 14-140mm. That has IS. And unlike the Canon lens it is silent IS and not picked up on the sound track. Problem solved! I suggest however using a faster prime (F2 or F1.4) with a handheld rig, rather than use IS for video. An IS zoom is usually pretty slow, expensive and floaty.

Manfrotto 190CXPRO4 is better than both in my opinion, although I have not tried the Velbon, generally they tend to be a bit low end.