Andrew Reid

Yeah. E-M1 Mark III makes for a much better vlogging camera in my view.

On the UK Sony site the small print is: "The α7C is the smallest and lightest full-frame digital interchangeable-lens camera with optical in-body image stabilisation" A weird confusion going on in the heads of marketing people there of optical IS and mechanical IBIS.

So this comes from Sony itself? It's basically an outright lie?

Of course. It should be a free market. There's anti-trust laws against collaborative market fixing and segmentation, nobody wants cartel behaviour. But what's going on here is not a balance and it's not even really a free market. It is a destructive race to demolish other Japanese camera companies, and Canon / Sony are the number one suspects. A race to appeal to the masses at the same time as significantly raising margins and pricing the average consumer out. A race to lock-in customers to specific lens mounts, and charge extortionate money for optics. If the consumer could freely choose more innovative products, and more countries and more diversification and more niches were catered for, then it'd truly be a free market. It's about less diversity, less competition, this isn't a win for us. If Sony and Canon succeed in killing Panasonic, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Pentax and even Sigma's fledgling full frame camera business, a duopoly will be created like AMD vs Intel. Personally I don't want this. I don't want a camera as dull as the A7C to kill APS-C Fuji X-Pro sales. Fuji X-T4 and X-Pro 3 offer so much more innovation than the A7C. They are strangling themselves. The camera range the A7C kills is the A6000 series. By using the A6600 form factor for the A7C, Sony is sending a message. That range is going full frame, more expensive, higher margins. But no new specs because they have to maintain the high margins. Same specs as the old camera (A7 III). Little investment in it, not even in new menus (crazy). Sure I am all for the concept of small, full frame, compact mirrorless cameras. Look at the Sony RX1R II. So much more innovative than the A7C. Look at Sigma Fp. Making an interchangeable lens high-end RX1R II with pop-up EVF is one thing. Slapping a bigger sensor in an A6600 and calling it quits, just to kill off other Japanese manufacturer sales, is quite another. And the prices of the Sony lenses is quite self defeating. But it is the soulless clinical blandness that bothers me the most. In this industry... Do we really want to end up with a dominant Sony and their soulless shooting experience, boring ergonomics, and Canon with their marketing games? Just those two? Rather than do something genuinely interesting in the APS-C market like Fuji has done with their rangefinder style mirrorless cameras, Sony has simply slapped a full frame sensor in one of the most unergonomic and boring bodies, it's the most unimaginative, most risk averse way to kill the crop sensor market I've ever seen. Customers will likely buy it instead of an X-Pro 3 or X-E3, because hey it's full frame and Tony Northrup likes it.

From the third department of PR at Sony... Sorry, I mean DPReview: "The Bionz X processor is also borrowed from the a7 III, which unfortunately means that all of the fancy new menus and touch functionality from the a7S III and its updated processor aren't included here." LOL!! "In the hand, the a7C feels incredibly solid, thanks to what's called a magnesium alloy monocoque construction. It's sort of like what US auto manufacturers call 'unibody' construction, and the result is a camera that's free of creaks and flex and exudes a sense of quality." Exudes quality!! Finally a $2K camera that is free of creaking noises and doesn't bend. Had been waiting for this moment for years.

More bollocks here at Imaging Resource... "World's smallest and lightest full frame camera". No that would be the Sigma Fp!

When the Sony A7 III was released it allegedly damaged the appeal of more expensive $3000 mirrorless cameras, not least of all Sony's own. In my opinion the electronics giant is now doing the same to affordable APS-C rangefinder-style mirrorless cameras, effectively ending their own APS-C line as well - an even more destructive move than last time. I am minded of the Nikkei Asian Review in July. "Smartphones are not the only reason [for the camera industry's decline]... Japanese industry, which has a penchant for competing against its own products, can also blame itself." The article goes on to quote Hiroshi Hamada (ex-CEO of Hoya / Pentax): "Digital camera companies intend to strangle their rivals through excessive competition, but in the end they'll strangle themselves" https://www.eoshd.com/opinion/opinion-why-the-sony-a7c-harms-the-camera-industry/

I always got 15 mins with the original firmware. I don't think I remember it showing 20 minutes once! Not sure what that's all about. Try the date/time trick and happy shooting.

Nobody asks. Sony delivers!

Seems like the most unnecessary camera release ever! A7 III is just fine at affordable full frame prices. And they want $2K for this ugly monstrosity?! Wouldn't A7000 make more sense for the name as well.

It is a mildly warm camera... Simply adding a cage with wooden grip would allow you to shoot handheld without touching any of the hot parts - if that is, it ever went above 43C. No evidence it does. Also, the aluminium cage would disperse the heat, radiate it to the air, and the wooden grip wouldn't conduct much heat towards your hand - so that kind of simple cage is a win-win all over really.

If CFExpress card is a problem... erm, use an SD! 4K HQ and 8K all yours to enjoy with an SD card! If the external temp gets a bit uncomfortable a cage would help. Aluminium would spread and disperse the heat and allow it to more or less go away, it acts as a radiator. In my opinion, until I see evidence, this low temperature burn PR line is simply more half-truths from Canon to cover up the cripple hammer You only have to look at the kind of site they chose to voice the bollocks through to know that it is a PR front. Not heard from an engineer yet have we?

Even if it turns out Canon's PR person isn't actually bullshitting us via a rival site that seeks to discredit their own customer's research at every turn, what is pretty much indisputable is the arrogant off-colour way Canon has handled the situation from start to finish. The time to offer an explanation for the overheating times was much earlier, and directly to customers like me. Instead every statement they come out with is a PR disaster. Admitting in the latest they designed a camera which comes close to offering low temperature burns? If temps above 43C on the external casing are a problem, or voltage chips get too hot over 70C, I've had no evidence to support this as a user, even after 1 hour of 8K recording. I will never have a practical use for recording 1 hour of 8K, so the real test for me is 4K HQ. If in that mode I get burnt by the camera or it crashes and melts... I'll happily hold my hand up and say "Canon - you are right and not full of bullshit after all".

I am doing some stress tests. No issues so far and haven't had any 'low temperature burns'... This is the method in action during a field test... This is a comment on Roger's heat emissions tests, my own findings, and the Canon PR remarks to Johnnie: https://www.eoshd.com/news/canon-eos-r5-8k-stress-test-1-no-problem-with-timer-reset-so-far/

Some observations from my test today... I am making a video of the workaround, erm, working. Sometimes you need two tries at the battery pull. First clock change and battery pull wouldn't reset. At one point CFExpress overheated and started throttling so after a few seconds of 8K, camera showed "Slow write speed" error. Had to take card out and let it cool for 1-2 mins. Be careful with those roasting hot CFexpress cards. SDXC strongly recommended for longer recordings.

Yeah 4K/60p is pretty good on all of them. And dynamic range like full frame. 8K on the Xiaomi makes for the best looking 4K but is 24p/30p max.

That's the new EOS R6 firmware right?

It's a weird one. They all covered the firmware release by Canon and the hack with the screw. Then I think they had their fill of the subject and saw the clicks decreasing and moved on. But DPReview, Newsshooter, CineD, you'd think they would run a story. Why not? It's the biggest development in the whole long overheating saga! That you can just go into the date menu, and pull the battery, and boom - no more overheating. They are completely silent and it makes me think Canon has sent some very disapproving nods in their direction that if they cover this they will rock the boat and they won't have friends in high places any more.

SHOCK! The deluge of YouTube and clickbait has not arrived!! The workaround is completely ignored at all the big sites! What's going on there?!

Here's what the 10x zoom (18-240mm) looks like on the P40 Pro Plus. 18mm 28mm 80mm 135mm 240mm

A nice side project... Mobile camera tests. It's good fun. I have so far tested: Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro Xiaomi Mi 10 Huawei P40 Pro Plus Huawei P40 Pro Huawei Mate 30 Pro Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra iPhone 11 Pro Max Samsung Note 10+ Oppo Find X2 Pro (OnePlus 8 Pro is very similar) I'll keep it short. The big blog post is coming soon. But the DXOMark chart is wrong 🙂 Here's my EOSHDMark ranking: Huawei P40 Pro - 150 Pros: Superbly useful 5x zoom, overall camera quality, nice colours, price. Cons: IR pollution, screen size could be a bit bigger Huawei P40 Pro Plus - 150 Pros: Low light, overall camera quality, nice build. Cons: Lacks 5x module from P40 Pro, 10x module too long for regular use Huawei Mate 30 Pro - 140 Pros: Main camera again is superb like P40 Pro and 3x telephoto not bad either. Nice Samsung Note-like form factor & screen. Cons: Lacks 5x periscope camera of P40 Pro and overall zoom quality Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro - 135 Pros: 8K video and very good main camera, superb screen. Cons: Colours can be a bit clinical, a bit flat, 5x zoom quality is lacking compared to Huawei, back feels & looks cheap Xiaomi Mi 10 - 130 Pros: 8k video and very good main camera, superb screen. Cons: No 3x or 5x zoom modules and back feels / looks cheap. Oppo Find X2 Pro - 110 Pros: A good all-rounder, decent 5x zoom, market leading 3K 120hz screen. Cons: Poor tonality. Oversharpened camera output, beaten by Huawei. Poor choice of back material / weird finish iPhone 11 Pro Max - 105 Pros: Good dynamic range, natural colours, iOS, great build. Cons: Camera hardware dated compared to Chinese competition, poor zoom capabilities. Samsung Note 10+ - 100 Pros: Nice colours and decent main sensor, great form factor. Cons: Dated camera hardware especially compared to Huawei. Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra - 95 Pros: Great in-hand feel and wonderful screen. Cons: Camera processing feels unfinished and is a complete let down, especially in low light. Mediocre 5x periscope zoom is soft. Main camera is muddy in low light and feels overly binned & over sharpened in good light. Xiaomi Mi 10 soundly beats it with same sensor! Expensive too! Google Play Store and Google Services installed OK on the Huawei phones. Couple of surprises: P40 Pro 5x optical zoom is the best on the market. Unfortunately they went crazy with the Plus version which is the flagship ($1000+) handset. That has a 10x optical zoom (240mm). It's way less useful than the 5x (135mm). Also the Plus version has a 3x optical zoom camera module, but I'll take the 5x over that any day. The other area of surprise is with colour - the Leica profiles on the standard P40 Pro are less "consumer". Much warmer and more day-glo on the Plus. One area where the Plus does win though is with build quality and low light. Also, there's fewer colour casts and less IR pollution indoors with black fabric, which come out almost purple on the P40 Pro. Also the P40 Pro has quite a cool and quite a green cast sometimes, especially in artificial light - and some will prefer the P40 Pro PLUS here. I find the P40 Pro quite artistic and moody looking though. One thing is for sure - 10x optical zoom lens on a smartphone is quite unique on the market - and when you have a use for it, it does deliver the goods for sure. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro / Mi 10 / Samsung S20 Ultra share similar 108MP sensor. Xiaomi THRAAAASHES the Samsung. They just get much more out of it. Especially in low light, where the S20 Ultra is a mushy mess. Even the old Note 10+ has a preferable look in most circumstances to the S20 Ultra, and to make things worse the 5x optical zoom (actually more like 4x glass) is mediocre at best and significantly softer than the P40 Pro. Also the 8K video on the S20 Ultra is heavily cropped and looks dreadful, whereas the Mi 10 and Mi 10 Pro don't have a crop and again get much more out of the sensor in the processing. It is not 8K that pixel peeps well but it does make for very good 4K, even in low light. Downsides to the M10 Pro... the 5x zoom is pretty mediocre and noisy... and the Mi 10 makes do with nothing beyond 2x. Great screens though. Oppo Find X2 Pro puts in a good effort but it just looks brittle and thin compared to the Huawei on the main wide angle sensor. The ultra wide isn't as good either. The 5x is pretty good - nice and detailed, but dynamic range and colour lag behind the P40 Pro 5x. Indeed, the main sensor output fairs better for dynamic range but not for colour and it is a very over-sharpened output. I like the Oppo implementation of Android. Shame about the boring design of the back and the odd texture of the glass (has a kind of scratchy feel). Absolutely amazing 3K screen running at 120hz but not as bright in direct sunlight as the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro and Mi 10 standard. There's a bit of a gap from the Huawei phones to everything else in my view. Especially with regards to tonality and the large 1" sensor look. Also the lenses are less flare prone when not absolutely grease free, compared to the Mi 10 Pro which is particularly badly effected and the Find X2 Pro. The iPhone 11 Pro Max fairs best for flare. The Apple device still has great dynamic range and the most natural looking colour - almost a flat look, good for filters. However it is distinctly backward from the Huawei and has that 'small sensor look' to it. The zoom is a complete non-starter against the 5x folded optics in the Huawei. I hope this helps anybody looking at the top 10 of DXOMark. The Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra I have not yet tried but output looks a bit brittle and thin compared to the Huawei P40 Pro to me, judging by their own samples on the site. The zoom looks good. It shoots 8k. I shall have to try it. Oh and the Mate 30 Pro is my choice for a more "Note 10" handling style of Huawei phone - The main sensor is just as good as the P40 Pro in my opinion. Colours seem a bit closer to the Plus than the standard P40 Pro. Sometimes too consumer. But sometimes better with improved WB and less casts in low light. The 3x zoom is good in daylight. Less so in low light. It doesn't have the wow factor of the 5x on the P40 Pro though. I really wish Huawei had kept the 5x zoom on the P40 Pro Plus with the lovely build quality and ceramic back. I really wish they'd corrected the colour casts and IR pollution without throwing out the "Leica look". It can apply HDR too strongly sometimes even in the Leica profiles. The P40 Pro standard model does this too sometimes but not as often. Maybe they couldn't fit the 10x module and 5x into one phone!! DXOMark's numbers are too close together and don't reflect the differences in main sensor image quality well enough either: P40 Pro - 128 X2 Pro - 124 Mi 10 Pro - 124 Mate 30 Pro - 123 S20 Ultra - 122 The biggest problem is that S20 Ultra score - there is no way it is even in the same league as the others, especially in low light. Mate 30 Pro is significantly more than 1 point better than the S20 Ultra. Also there should be more than 4 points between the P40 Pro and the Oppo Find X2 Pro.

The question is - how does one compete with Sony and Canon by offering something they don't. It's certainly not easy on the camera side to do that. What's great about the Fp is it's different. It's complimentary to a Sony or Canon mirrorless camera and very small. But to really be mainstream you need an EVF, IBIS, mechanical shutter, and so the product becomes homologated and similar to the competition. Making a Cinema camera could be an opportunity, but not just an FS5 II clone. Pocket Cinema Camera rival perhaps?

The other advantage Sony has with E-mount is they can coordinate the entire E-mount roadmap and strategy, under one roof. With L-mount, Panasonic, Sigma and Leica cannot collaborate fully over strategy due to antitrust laws. So if they both end up releasing a similar set of lenses or similar cameras that cannibalise each other, there's not much they can do about it. In my opinion Sigma would be wise to invest in more than one mirrorless mount. The SA2 mount I suggested to Kazuto in the interview could do really well, with adapters from SA2 to E-mount, L-mount, RF-mount, etc. It gives this range of lenses a unique selling point (buy one lens for multiple systems), to differentiate it from Panasonic L-mount lenses. Sigma were going to develop their own mirrorless mount anyway before the agreement was signed to use L-mount. Also Panasonic need to push like crazy on the camera side. GH6 should be L-mount and APS-C sensor. New cinema cameras with L-mount to compete with Sony FS cinema line. They really need to up the investment.

Thank you. I just want this thread to stay on the topic of overheating workarounds, solutions, research, Magic Lantern and not what you're watching on YouTube.

My friend Emmanuel. Please. Stop the shitposting.