Andrew Reid

This is to misunderstand the market the EOS R5 is aimed at. Canon did not go to the trouble of high video specs for nothing. It cost millions in R&D "just to please this small video crowd". It is not a small crowd at all. The modern photography business is about multimedia and mixed media. Both video and stills are needed by clients in the internet age. The EOS R5 is the mirrorless successor to the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV. The kind of people who use a 5D Mark IV will use an EOS R5. They need the reliability and the high performance video. This is a massive cock up by Canon and they will suffer big style if they don't recall it.

Correct. If someone is uninformed, I would encourage them to read up on the field tests and all the information I put in the one place here. No offence intended. https://www.eoshd.com/news/a-round-up-of-all-canon-eos-r5-r6-overheating-timings-and-field-tests/

Nikon DF Sorted. Now go away. I completely agree!! Seems still some push-back in Japan though.

Looks like Petapixel have done a u-turn on their earlier article. Funny how much stock people put in a meaningless PR statement https://petapixel.com/2020/07/31/canon-responds-there-is-no-delay-in-eos-r5-shipments/ @Cliff Totten - Thanks for the info. Of course in my opinion there are many reasons why Canon would allow the overheating to occur by design. Technologically, they may not be able to achieve the headline specs of 8K and oversampled 8K-4K or 4k/120p with their current processors and sensor technology without overheating problems. It's a lot of data. In terms of product segmentation, it may be that Canon assumed enthusiasts and photographers (maybe 90% of the target customer) would put up with a crippled video mode that cannot be considered for professional use. Ethical, not very. But you can see why they still want pros to purchase higher margin Cinema EOS cameras. I think the whole thing is disgusting on every level... the technological failure, the reliability, the marketing hype, the misleading specs, the segmentation by overheating and the unwillingness to provide a reliable tool even for $4000 that does what it says on the box. It is time to seriously question the company and for customers to stop buying these silly PR lines and defective products.

You are talking out of your arse I'm afraid. Processors become more efficient and use less energy by an order of magnitude every year.

Excuse me? What's so extreme? Matthew Allard thinks he's doing his journalistic duties asking a junior PR person in a team at a Canon subsidiary. The very definition of denial and repeating the PR line. If he bothered to dig deeper and even ask single retailer he would know there is something going on.

Q2 financial results down 93% in camera division https://www.eoshd.com/opinion/severe-canon-financial-results-see-profits-drop-93-covid-19-recalling-the-eos-r5-would-be-the-ethical-thing-to-do/

They better do. But let's be honest here, Canon is not your friend or mine. What they care about is the dividend, profit, shareholders and maximising all 3.

Well I finally watched it. Lost a few mins of my life. He's so incorrect on so many levels. Blames the HDMI output on 8K overheating. Then says it's a damn good 4K camera! As we know from other tests the external recording can increase 4K recording times, taking load off the image processor. If he'd used 4K internal recording, who knows what problems he would have. He isn't even honest in the video whether he shot 4K HQ or 4K pixel binned. Tries to gloss over it and pin it as an 8K only problem. Not even realising the sensor is doing 8K in the 4K HQ mode. There are other inaccuracies and dumb comments but those are the main things I noticed skipping through.

Petapixel have pulled together both Canon Rumors and my remarks at EOSHD in their piece on the shipments delay. https://petapixel.com/2020/07/30/canon-is-delaying-eos-r5-shipments-due-to-overheating-concerns-report/ I did not read the Canon Rumors post before writing my article so it is interesting that two separate sources are both effectively saying the same thing. Adorama in particular seems to be saying the same thing as the stores I asked in Berlin!

Why does every comment of yours has a massive elephant in the room? Nobody is criticising Canon for being conservative on the EOS R5 specs. You have to deliver the specs AND reliability, so that customers don't get a defective product. Not hard to understand is it?

I'd love to know your experience of this release so far... have you received your pre-order? Is the camera in stock anywhere to buy, online, or on the high-street? Here's what news I found today in Berlin: https://www.eoshd.com/news/will-canon-recall-the-eos-r5-i-asked-retailers-today-and-the-picture-is-grim/

Here's some news I had from asking around retailers today. Some shipments had arrived last week in very small quantities. Today and tomorrow were meant to be the days they pass them onto the first people who pre-ordered. The entire country of Germany, 83 million people received 70 units from Canon in Japan. The pre-order waiting list for just one store in Berlin was nearly 300 cameras. The biggest retailer I spoke to said they would not be getting 'any R5 until October earliest due to bugs'. When pressed further, he said the chain were unhappy at the reliability of the camera and the fact that Canon had asked the chain (largest electronic chain in Europe) to sign a new contract of incredible complexity and length, which has to be checked and will also result in weeks of delays. That the store was extremely unhappy with Canon and that they 'were going the way of Olympus if they keep up this behaviour'. Another store had received just 5 units. This was the largest photographic retailer store in the capital of Germany. It is extremely unusual to receive so few shipments of such a big, popular release. Not sure what the situation is like back home in the UK. Probably similar. I think the recall is on and will be announced next week.

What software did you use to read the RAW format res?

You can't trust any Sony A7S III test where the reviewer doesn't realise that you need to set the temp cut off to high in the menus. And you can't trust any reviewer who reviews a camera without knowing how to use it!

What?! S1H came out way before the EOS R5. If anything it's the other way around.

Their "electronic ND" is a composite stills mode only, it doesn't work in video.

The funny thing is Sony event admitted their white balance was all over the place on previous cameras, with the additional light sensor on the A7S III which tries to fix the problem. But skintones definitely still look whacked!

The Panasonic S1H to Atomos Ninja V ProRes RAW firmware is downloadable here... https://www.eoshd.com/raw-video/panasonic-s1h-to-atomos-ninja-v-6k-prores-raw-update-now-available-to-download/ Seriously consider giving the 6K RAW a go. Most ProRes RAW is pixel binned via HDMI (like Nikon Z6, Sigma Fp, GFX 100, etc.) But not this one.

It is now available https://www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/s/s1h/firmware_atomos.html Most cameras do 4K ProRes RAW and have to pixel bin to achieve 12bit, as a full pixel readout at the higher colour depth would be too slow. This is where the S1H is different... It is the only one to do a full pixel readout, in native 6K at 12bit. Amazing sensor technology.

There is the Metabones EF-R mount Speed Booster which could be interesting on the EOS R5 in crop mode.

It's simple enough to explain. Most people don't need 12K and they will express their opinion. What's wrong with that? Doesn't make them "not a filmmaker". Many feel that the specs of the EOS R5 are perfect for them on paper, and had expected more from Sony - the basics, like matching Canon and Panasonic for IBIS performance (it doesn't), like finally getting an internal eND like the FS5 does (it doesn't), so people are entitled to their whinging! There is a lot to like as well but I am sticking with GFX 100 for my main camera. If I get the A7S III it will be to review it, test it, maybe optimise Pro Color for it and to make some LUTs. I can't see myself ditching the GFX 100 for one. The EOS R5 meanwhile, is basically defective and should be recalled so none of the great things about it are really all that usable. I think people are right to be angry. On top of it all, it's been a really shit year in general!

And I told you. No it isn't. Welcome to the internet!

More bad tests. It's like being screamed at by an 80-year old about their faulty iMac! "It doesn't work!" What doesn't work, what happened? What app crashed? "It doesn't work!"

Uh oh. Here we go.