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Here is a short clip from the RX100 in 1080p60 28mbps that you can download. http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/video/avw/docs/541/059/00041.mts

I believe it is just easier to have faster sensor readouts on smaller sensors.  The Canon S series could have had great video if they wanted it too. That is why I believe the Nikon 1 series will be the first MILC to have a global shutter.

[quote author=MattH link=topic=849.msg6119#msg6119 date=1339784451] Wow.  Bad show from canon.  After the 5dmkiii I knew the resolution wouldn't be better, but I at least expected the moire and aliasing to be solved.  What reason do I now have to think it will EVER get solved in their 'rebel' line.  Presumably the video in their upcoming mirrorless cameras will be exactly the same, so I might as well forget being exited about them too. [/quote] Yes, I think the 650D and G1X tells us alot about the upcoming Canon Mirrorless.  I'll have similar video and overall slow processing.

Dpreview updated their review to include comparison with the D800E.  A the bottom of this page you can download the original 2GB (9 second) clip from the HDMI out. http://***URL removed***/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

[quote author=sandro link=topic=822.msg5971#msg5971 date=1339429913] At this point I don't think Canon is to be considered anymore(?). There won't be anything until 3y from now [/quote] I would agree that it could be 3 years before any major changes to video with their DSLRs.  But maybe Canon has decided to focus on high end camcorders instead which means Canon DSLRs will always be behind now. It'll be interesting to see how Panasonic (GH3) and Sony (NEX-8?) respond.  Will they pull a Canon too?

Difficult to really compare on YouTube but there is a side-by-side rolling shutter comparison. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13ndzqQDiQ&hd=1

dpreview has confirmed there is no 1080p24.  Here is some more info. http://***URL removed***/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/4 "The RX100 allows P,A,S or M exposure modes to be used when video shooting. Autofocus remains available in movie shooting, regardless of the exposure mode used. Alternatively the camera's focus peaking can be used to aid manual focus (which can be assigned to the front dial). This, combined with the camera's active image stabilization during movie shooting, makes it a pretty capable and pocketable camera for grabbing footage."

I am very excited about the camera.  Almost the same size as my Canon S90 and can replace my HX9V as well.  This would be great for a pocketable travel camera. The 20mp doesn't worry me as it has been shown that a 20mp sensor image scaled down to 10mp would have the same noise as a 10mp sensor using the same sensor technology.  The only negative is slower processing and larger files for RAW.  But you do get some more cropping ability in good light. I also noticed that 16:9 can use more of the sensor width (multi-aspect).  I wonder how close this is to 3x3 pixel binning for 1080p video.

[quote author=richg101 link=topic=812.msg5824#msg5824 date=1338825893] I think I might buy one of these.  or wait for the sony fixed lens apsc camera shortly. [/quote] I think this was the "APSC Fixed lens" rumor.  ;)

I always thought the 1" sensor made more sense with a faster fixed lens.  And only 5mm deeper than the s90.  The 1080p60 28mbps video should be very good based on the HX9v. [url=http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://digicame-info.com/2012/06/1cyber-shot-dsc-rx100.html&ei=ZsnMT9ryH-G46QHv392aDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://digicame-info.com/2012/06/1cyber-shot-dsc-rx100.html%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D820%26prmd%3Dimvns]http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://digicame-info.com/2012/06/1cyber-shot-dsc-rx100.html&ei=ZsnMT9ryH-G46QHv392aDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://digicame-info.com/2012/06/1cyber-shot-dsc-rx100.html%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D820%26prmd%3Dimvns[/url] [img]http://digicame-info.com/picture/sony-dsc-rx100.jpg[/img]

[quote author=emgesp link=topic=783.msg5660#msg5660 date=1337996164] "But it's an optically superb lens." So is the new Nikon 85mm 1.8, but Nikon isn't charging $900 for it and it's a full-frame lens too.  If this was a macro lens, or had IS I could understand the price, but it doesn't have either. [/quote] The new Nikon 85mm doesn't seem to be as sharp wide open.  It also has slower AF and a plastic body.  The 9 aperture blades on the 75mm should give a nicer bokeh vs the 7 blades on the Nikon.  I don't think the pricing is that far off considering what you get.  But I do agree that some would be willing to sacrifice in some areas to get a lower price.

[quote author=Francisco Ríos link=topic=701.msg5098#msg5098 date=1336580777] Mr.Hoodlum, And what about the Imac 27 middle 2010? It has ATI RADEON HD 5750. Can you help me? Best regards. Francisco. [/quote] According to adobe only those 2 cards are supported.

[quote author=cpc link=topic=701.msg5091#msg5091 date=1336571708] Anyone tested this? My understanding was OpenCL is specific to MacOS. Probably limited by some shady agreement with nVidia or stuff. :) [/quote] You are correct.  It it even limited to just 2 video cards on the Mac. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/994892 You will not be able to use OpenCL for GPU acceleration in Premiere Pro CS6 on Windows. And Adobe made a wise move in limiting initial OpenCL GPU acceleration support to those MacBook Pros running OSX Lion equipped with the HD 6750M and HD 6770M chips with 1GB or more VRAM: That particular move was made largely because Apple no longer sells any of its systems with NVIDIA GPUs. The HD 6750M and HD 6770M GPUs in iMacs will also not be supported because those systems with said GPUs have only 512MB of VRAM - too little VRAM to even enable GPU acceleration at all. I'll leave it to our engineering leads/managers (Steve and Dave) to talk about specifics, but there is actually a lot more engineering and testing work that would need to be done to use OpenCL on Windows. When Premiere Pro CS5 came out, Premiere Pro could use about half a dozen cards for GPU acceleration. With each update, we added more, so that it's now more than two dozen, including two using OpenCL. From this, it should be very clear that we are taking a conservative but brisk approach to these GPUs: We will only support what we have been able to implement and test fully, and we'll add more as we get specific requests and have the time/resources to do so.

I guess this says it all.  http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/04/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-recall/

[quote author=sandro link=topic=572.msg3825#msg3825 date=1334248824] So Canon thinks it's better to release things "no one" could afford with stupid things missing (like articulating screen) instead of a great $800 650D wtih GH2-like 1080p that will [b]destroy [/b] every single product from competitors and sell millions? I'll never understand how economy works ;D [/quote] Companies that try to protect their higher end products will eventually loose out as someone will pickup that low-end market space.  It is beginning to look like Sony and/or Panasonic could start doing that this year.  It'll be interesting to see how video is supported with the GH3 and NEX5 replacement while Panasonic and Sony expand their pro video lines.  Or will they dumb down the video in their traditional cameras.

It would be interesting to see the 800E with this.  :)

[quote author=gene_can_sing link=topic=548.msg3619#msg3619 date=1333994811] I wondering if Panasonic is going release an industry standard 1.5-ish crop? Hate to say this, but if Panasonic sticks with the Micro 4/3rd 2x crop, it will never be used on high profile, marquee type projects no matter how high the resolution. The aesthetic is noticeably different, at least to Pros. Can they make Micro 4/3rd at least a 1.6x crop? Is that even possible? [/quote] You could say the same about FF vs 1.5 crop.  Actually the difference between m43 (1.85 crop in video) vs 1.5 crop is small compared to the drop from FF.  Lens selection will have a greater impact.

Panasonic and Sony will be pushing 4k very soon at the consumer level.  I don't see either Canon or Nikon doing this as they will try to reserve 4k for their higher margin high-end professional lines. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120409-702538.html "Last week, Hirai spoke briefly ahead of a preview of Sony's presentation for its professional products division and pledged to spread cutting-edge technologies from its professional products to more mass-market products. One example presented by Hirai was Sony's 4K technology, a display and imaging breakthrough for presenting moving images four times sharper than existing high-definition video. "

This is huge!!!  I have included some of Vitaliy's responses to questions so far.  Panasonic will be joinging the thread on Monday. [url=http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2739/the-big-thing/p1]http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2739/the-big-thing/p1[/url] Since today we are going to directly participate in design and development of system cameras firmware for [b]selected[/b] cameras produced by Panasonic Corporation, and DSC Business unit specifically. Q. Do you think that information to help you with the current GH2 hack might be made available to you and the team? A. Already working on firmware v2.0 changes. Some companies will be very upset with their $5000 cameras. Q. Any word on Picture profiles in the 2.0 firmware? A. Can't talk prior NAB much. But can give you a clue. You won't call them Picture profiles in v2.0. Q. is it for the photo camera side or video or both A. Right now - about 60% video, all the rest photo related. Q. This all sounds a bit too good to be true A. Not so good as I hoped.  As for many Panasonic cameras hacks still will be the only way of improvements. Even GH2 is tough, as most developers are working now on three new cameras based on new Venus Revolution LSI. A. I will tell only that I can. None of new cameras will write in AVCHD container anymore. None will support interlaced modes. And all will support >2Gb files, no spanning. A. Venus Revolution is code name for new LSI, as well as name for the team who works on it's design and related software libraries. It'll be used in upcoming cameras. As for GH2. Many people told the same for GH1. Due to new features, new cameras won't be in direct competition to GH2.  After NAB 1080p60 will be considered past tense. Can't tell more, sorry. Q. what is the duration of your agreement with Panasonic A. RIght now till the end of Venus Revolution active life. About 2 years. Do not know anything after it.

[quote author=FilmMan link=topic=494.msg3197#msg3197 date=1333068842] News is spreading: This is another guys post about talking about the merits of 4K.  Sony will have a huge winner here. [i]The point is 1080p and REAL 1080p FS100: [url=http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/..._klein_204.jpg]http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/..._klein_204.jpg[/url] Canon C300: [url=http://produktdbimages0.slashcam.de/..._klein_260.jpg]http://produktdbimages0.slashcam.de/..._klein_260.jpg[/url] Both 1080p, C300 with 4 K Sensor.See the difference ? ^^[/i] [/quote] Links are not working.

[quote author=tvpglabs link=topic=494.msg3193#msg3193 date=1333065878] And we're going to have to wait till September for a response from Panasonic?  Anyone else nervous it's going to be too little too late? [/quote] Sony seems to be very aggressive with getting big new advances out.  Since Panasonic's GH and AF series change only once every 2 years, they cannot afford a minor update.

[quote author=moebius22 link=topic=469.msg3035#msg3035 date=1332815140] [quote author=hoodlum link=topic=469.msg3014#msg3014 date=1332789464] [quote author=themartist link=topic=469.msg3008#msg3008 date=1332787688] Seeing how the video and 1080/60p for slow motion holds up will be very informative too. [/quote] 1080/60p halves the 24p bitrate on the NEX-7 to 14mb/s, so right there you have a big step back in quality. [/quote] Makes you wonder if Sony is going to pull this with their full frame dslr. I hope not. [/quote] It'll be interesting to see what Panasonic does with the GH3.

[quote author=themartist link=topic=469.msg3008#msg3008 date=1332787688] Seeing how the video and 1080/60p for slow motion holds up will be very informative too. [/quote] 1080/60p halves the 24p bitrate on the NEX-7 to 14mb/s, so right there you have a big step back in quality.

The GH3 will likely come with AVCHD 2.0 and support 24p @ 28mpbs.  This will likely be better than the GH2 hack with the vanilla patch.  Other improvements will likely make the upgrade worthwhile and then just wait for the GH3 to be hacked.

Since you already have a very good video camera, I would wait until the GH3 in September and then make a decision.