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Yes its 10 bit out which is great but it doesn't do 10 bit in camera. A while back if panny had made the af101 a 10 bit camera they would have cleaned up However they added a pseudo 10 bit out when it was to late things have moved on and now BM do this in camera so Panny need to compete with that The day of the offboard recorder is coming to an end.

Hostility towards the company? Come on I just want the best tool I don't play favourites I cant afford to. Look Im happy for you if you want one but I am entitled to an opinion too. Everything I have said is relevant to the cameras and not out of bias or uninformed.

It is an 8 bit camera with a M4/3 sensor But it does have 96 fps which would interest me. I don't want the GH4 to be a bad camera My only interest is what I can do with it. Certainly 4K is only of use to me as a capture format. So far I haven't liked the images I have seen Maybe that will change but on paper the BM4K still looks the better buy with Global shutter Larger sensor and no need for a speedbooster which even though might add another stop it adds something else to the equation so focus marks are wrong and you get swirly bokeh I would rather have the BM4K than worry about that after all your already going to need to add NDs a mattebox as well as follow focus So the nearer you can get to a one stop solution the better. However, Lets hope the GH4 pricing and image quality will give some relief but for me plugging canon lenses straight into the BM4K and recording pro res or raw and a full version of resolve will oudo dodgy HDMI connectionsextra expenses and add on adapters. I have no ulterior motive here I clearly don't represent any manufacturers and I haven't bought the BM4K so no vested interest just a bit of common sense argument and conclusions reached ---SO FAR!!!!

Why should you dread it? Mine is only an opinion We don't even know how much the camera will cost yet. Demeaning me on the forum as the owner and moderator is very unfair. Why not just ban the opposition? Just because you got a test camera and favoured by Panny doesn't mean you should praise whatever they sent you. Try to be a bit more unbiased after all Im only stating a fact The BM4K does outshine the GH4 and with its add ons the costs will probably soon mount up. However if it is cheap enough then perhaps there is a place for it and Im sure Pannys real intention is to sell the GH4 as a 8 bit h264 camera that will undoubtably sell more than the BM4K Hwever I don't think we should sit here and pretend its better if it clearly isn't.

I think the camera is a possible disaster hurriedly rushed through to compete with the BM4K giving them time to make a Panasonic af100 4k or a DSLR along the lines of the 1DC. I didn't like the skin tones in the demo films and I thought the image looked oversaturated with high contrast and crushed blacks.Will be interesting to see what the DR is on this.

Great review Andrew but the BM4K still beats it with global shutter no need for add ons cost and a larger sensor without the need for a speedbooster that adds more to the final cost. Although it should please many who want all the gadgets the BM4K is still going to be king as a one stop solution.

Content will always be king Say Martians landed and someone captured it on a cheap mobile with crap black and white awful image. The whole world would watch and the whole world will be wishing someone had shot it using an 8K camera the very best lens and sound equipment. So in order to get that content and compete with others also presenting similar content it is no longer enough to use a silent 1920's camera In fact you want to make the best image you can to make your content stand out and be more eye candy than the competition unless your content is so good you don't need to. The problem with content in film is most things have been done often to the highest level so the viewer expects a certain level of professionalism to consider watching. to use a mobile and make a film that ahs such outstanding content that everyone will watch will usually mean finding something personal to everyone that is a lesson in case something unusual happens like a you tube film called how I cured my herpes or how to make millions or porn Although done to death now you could still get away with el crappo production values Maybe content is king lovers should consider making a you tube film about how to properly apply lipstick on a mobile and stick it on you tube and then make money from the ads. Although I fail to see how content is king applies to those wishing to learn and use better technology in their films in order to give their work a pro look and be more appealing to viewers. Of course we know that in the end content will always be king but the idea that you can use that to flatten the need for a professional approach to creating it is beyond me. Even the mention of it smacks of deceptive trolling in order to draw attention away from the reality of becoming a better film maker

Very nice Andrew an outstanding deal you got there. I'll give you £2000 per lens? Of course you can still be home of the budget conscious DSLR etc I think you proved that with the deal you got. Some gear may be out of reach but its nice to hear about it The same as I look at high end home cinema or cars. Out of reach but yes.. one day....

Do you know what? I don't think I've ever entered a competition where they played fair. They get you at it then change the goalposts change the rules and pick some thing that blows bubbles up Sonys arse and they all congratulate each other. Sorry to be on a downer other peoples experience may vary.

I know with the march of technology this sounds like famous last words but I don't believe 4K will be the format of choice for movies Just like 3D wasn't. Although as a capture format and for sports events/docu's it will be good.

Of course reviewers can have an opinion FINE But if its an ulterior motive IE Reward Revenge Snobbery then trust is lost and fine they can go on and on this way but soon not to many will listen. Being Neutral and fair is the aim of most good reviewers even if it comes at a cost to themselves. But when is a lie a lie? When you heap praise on a cameras strengths and downplay the weaknesses? When you downplay the strengths and overdo the weaknesses? Is that a lie? Often it can be hidden as an opinion But when does it become so obvious people question it then doubts set in about the reliability of the reviewer to give you information needed to make a decision. You can put up all the disclaimers you like But the only reason people are tuning in is because they want help in choosing and deciding and for those in that position like Bloom, money can be made from advertising. So why would advertisers bother giving money if it wasn't going to make them money. Because IT DOES. So who is the reviewer going to favour Those paying him or those who don't answer questions or give the time of day? In the case of the Bolex Bloom has invested I don't see any ads for BM cameras on his site but what I do seem to be seeing is a skewed review in favour of the Bolex. Money is being made from those reading the reviews If the review is skewed then the people buying those products suffer.

In truth Matt I don't think you are a bully But the pen is mightier than the sword and I suggest you dwell on that before you take the decision to crap on people in defence of what you perceive as your peers. Seriously its not a good look. Nor is it the right thing to do.

Just cheating Lying arrogance rudeness and character assassination. Maybe you don't like it when someone fights back eh? So add wannabe Bully to the list too.

What part don't you understand? I thought you had a PHd? Oh I see where you changed the text and I laughed in the face of your superior intellect? Yes very clever but most of us don't need a PHd to be deceptive. Its called cheating.

As well as insulting me you want to insult the entire cast and crew? Seriously.. Attack me all you want But leave others out of it. If you want to post then at least make sense What holocaust are you talking about? Are you joking? I think you sound dangerous or stupid? Gobsmacking. Anyone can criticise a film and not every film is everyones cup of tea. That's why we have genres to make it easier to find your preference. But then you should know that with a PHd Yes you did and then you went away and changed your text and cant even admit when you're wrong. So you criticise his work and then cover it up? I never took it out of context You just removed some of the credit due to him by denying what he proposed as revolutionary when clearly it was. You may like Douglas Trumball but only in as far as he is a platform to springboard what you perceive as your own superior intellect.

Heh heh. Now why don't you do some tests with your camera and answer your own OT

Andy may I also remind you that I am defending myself on my own thread taken down by you and your mates. Im happy to discuss the thread topic Only that has been impossible So thanks again for that.

So you join in to stick the boot in That's you though Andy a great opportunist Sadly not reflectedon your work Your another that has no work but plenty to say on everyone elses. Just love the way you guys attack others then blame it on the victim of those attacks. Sadly backing each other and elite forum members in the hope something approaching star status will get awarded. Trust me it wont and arse licking is seldom appreciated as well as trying to be clever beyond your reach.

You genuinely apologise then go on to further insult me Why bother they are just words and you like words don't you Clearly you have zero experience at making a film Kind of gobsmacking you feel you can insult those who have even when it is some cheap vampire trailer that doesn't exist. Sorry to disappoint you but the two films do exist and been shown in some of the top festivals in the world. Sorry they don't meet to your standards but then even the likes of Douglas Trumbull have difficulty there. I will also soon be making a feature I'll invite you so you can piss on that too. Nice start to your career Im sure you will end up somewhere useful like the British film council giving grants to worthy causes like Harry Potter.

Oh right so now you have changed the meaning from you like my work to how well I did at getting good exposure. Yes very clever Your PHd is clearly coming in very useful Still waiting for that link to your work?

Although your apology is insincere it is the best you can do I accept that. Here is some more http://www.imdb.com/video/withoutabox/vi2285635353 Perhaps you would like to share yours?

After reading a few of your posts I've come to understand what this is about. You have a Phd in fine art and struggle to use a cheap camera and unable to do simple tests with it. You comment on masters like Trumball with putdowns. No wonder you cant comment on this thread You simply don't have the tools. Easier to just piss on the poster eh? So much for a Phd

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I disagree Trumbulls idea is revolutionary also regarding your opening thread Why didn't you do some tests before you came on here?

Yes just ignore Super 35 and Super 16 standards and follow Quirky not the merry nam nam. This just gets better and better