Dan Hudgins

The KineRAW-S35 (tm) second prototype is now in field testing in China, I've been making some monitoring tables for the camera's viewfinder to use during field testing.  There are now three copies of that prototype, one for lab use, one in field testing in China, and a third that is to be used for calibration and test footage.  There may be some changed in the production cameras based on what is learned from use of these first working test cameras. I have four videos from the KineRAW-S8p (tm) prototype on Vimeo now, and am working on two more videos to post when I get them finished, #A2 shot 2592x1104x12bit@24.000fps http://vimeo.com/33997025 #B1 shot 2592x1104x12bit@24.000fps http://vimeo.com/35148088 #C1 shot 1828x1558x12bit@24.000fps anamorphic squeeze 2:1 for 2.35:1 http://vimeo.com/38907938 #D1 shot 1920x1440 cropped to 1920x817 and letterboxed into 1920x1080 for hand held http://vimeo.com/40921094 I posted the fourth Vimeo video, D1, showing some hand held footage made with the KineRAW-S8p (tm), you can read my text on that video's page for more information about how it was done and the 1920x817 crop from 1920x1440 shooting mode used. The current thinking for the MSRP would be around $6000-$8000 for the S35 and $1500-$2000 for the production version of the S8 which may have a sensor about twice as fast and higher resolution than the prototype used to make the vimeo videos so far. If you would like to see some still frames from the uncompressed BMP used to make those videos you can email me at: tempnulbox [at] yahoo [dot] com with 'EOSHD user wants frames' in the subject line.

[quote author=joedp link=topic=399.msg2542#msg2542 date=1331744819] Hi Guys, This is Joe Rubinstein one of the partners in the Digital Bolex Project. [/quote] Hi Joe, I am the author of the free DANCINEC.EXE (tm) de-Bayer program a full solution for cinema quality de-Bayer of DNG and RAW sensor frames for feature film production etc. Do you have any sample DNG from your camera, I may be able to add presets to my camera support menu at some point, but I would need daylight 5500K and Tungsten 3200K sample DNG to calibrate the saturation and white balance myself with as that works best as my program is under fill manual control of the color balance so there are no AGC effects like some automatic balance software might introduce. If you have some DNG samples from your tests you can make links to, like Acam dII (tm) did, it would help insure stable software support and compatibility testing of your DNG tags in your file headers. Thanks for any information on this interoperability issue with de-Bayer software and workflow. Dan

About the workflow issue, I have a freeish DI system on my website ([url=http://www.DANCAD3D.com]www.DANCAD3D.com[/url]) and free de-Bayer software developed just for cameras like this, and have been talking with Acam dII (tm), KineRAW (tm) and OptimaCine (tm) for more than 4 years on their camera development. My de-Bayer software supports both plain RAW sensor data and DNG files in CinemaDNG form with meta-data for SMPTE time code and other special features. I have test demo reels  made with the KineRAW-S8p (tm) prototype Super8 Digital Cinema Camera (planed MSRP $1500 - $2000 with HDMI 1280x720 color LUT corrected viewfinder with 200% zoom etc.) [url=http://vimeo.com/33997025]KineRAW-S8p (tm) lens test reel #A2 w/o links[/url] [url=http://vimeo.com/35148088]KineRAW-S8p (tm) 2.5K lens test reel B1[/url] You can see de-Bayer results on the Acam dII (tm) web site, 40200001.BMP is on page, [url=http://www.ikonoskop.com/forum/?action=listPosts&forumID=8&parentID=1322]http://www.ikonoskop.com/forum/?action=listPosts&forumID=8&parentID=1322[/url] at link, [url=http://www.ikonoskop.com/begood/forum_attach.php?14159711654f0f0ac899cbb8.52359071]http://www.ikonoskop.com/begood/forum_attach.php?14159711654f0f0ac899cbb8.52359071[/url] I have support for DNG from Kinor-2K the Russian RAW camera, and also SI-2K (tm) which has a converter to make DNG from their native RAW format (without using Cineform (tm)). If digital Bolex would like me to add camera specific features to my free de-Bayer program they can contact me by email, but if their DNG are CinemaDNG standard, they should load as is now. I have EDR (Extended Dynamic Range) processing that can make up for some of the limited dynamic range of the Kodak sensor, you can look that up in the spec sheet on the Kodak site. The sensor in the KineRAW-S8p (tm) I think is rated about a stop more dynamic range, but shows a bit more noise maybe overall without de-noise processing. I have temporal noise reduction in my de-Bayer program that should work with any camera, even HDSLR camera frames. Iridas Speed Grade (tm) and Adobe (tm) products support CinemaDNG now and offer real time de-Bayer solutions. DNG can also be converted to Cineform (tm), Prores (tm), and H.264.  The Cineform (tm) and Prores (tm) offer bit depth greater than the 8 bit data standard for HDSLR.  As anyone knows you cannot do a heavy grade on full size 8bit HDSLR output without introducing histogram gaps, shooting 12bit True RAW is a good way to avoid histogram gaps in the graded footage. Quality can be maintained maybe if you use an uncompressed workflow that does not degrade the images in other ways as well.  I have a cost fee free uncompressed DI solution in beta-test now, and there are hundreds of other ways to post CinemaDNG frames depending on how much you want to degrade them by introducing compression, if you just compress for off-line editing, you can go back to the pristine True RAW DNG frames to do your conform, so you get the best of both worlds a quick and easy off line edit, and maximum quality for a uncompressed conform in the DI stage to filmout or DCP. Both KineRAW.com (tm) and OptimaCine.com (tm) have developed 2.5K cameras that shoot full bandwidth, and have done so on a budget, so its probably not imposable for the digital Bolex team to do the same after the others have done so. OptimaCine.com (tm) was going to sell his camera as two circuit boards for about $500, but tells me he is working on a stand alone design now, so who knows what will come on the market before too long, but Adobe (tm)'s CinemaDNG movement is moving forward... uncompressed Digital NeGatives, like movie film was.