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" • Sigma is very, very unhappy with the progress of L-Mount. They are urging Panasonic to focus much more on this system • They are really thinking of an APS-C entry level system based on L-Mount • They now see Canon as biggest competitor in Video segment. " It seems Sigma is the one with rhe issue, not Panasonic. Hopefully nobody in Panasonic is encouraging Panasonic to shoot themselves in the foot.

Quote the shocker, if it's TRUE. Suicidal, if you ask me. It will take both FF and M43 down, if true.

Does it mean the ProResRAW on the Panasonic Cameras is more robust? I saw videos (including one on dpreview), saying that the codec wasn't RAW, though it is (a little?) better than the 10-bit internal codec of the Panasonics (and other cameras). Since RED has sole monopoly over RAW (including all forms of actual RAW that don't even belong to them), everyone seems to be using some form of wrapper and metadata manipulation during or after compression to circumvent the bad Patent. The temperature and exposure control in post may have to do with presets, much like a LuT. I am not sure they necessarily mean that it's better.

Ok. Fair enough. 😊👍🏼

I heard a video review somewhere saying that the 0 on the S1 still has some minor NR happening.

Apparently not. They should fix it via a firmware.

Hahaha, Yes. There seem to be very few, if any, Image Sensor developers experts, who actually know enough about sensors to estimate what is possible with image sensors above what we have on many cameras including the GH5 and GH5s, and many others. If the Panasonic GH6 had similar Dynamic Range to the S1/S5/S5 for video and stills, had 14-bit Photo with FF comparable exposure latitude (or atleast comparable with APS-C flagships) and had a better pricing (about $1500), that alone with make it comparable with most cameras in the APS-C and FF market. But Panasonic doesn't do that, in terms of pricing, then yes 4k at 120fps and above and 6k at atleast 60fps and above would allow a $2000 price and double of that would seem fair at $2500. Though, I feel Panasonic is not pushing enough tech for K43, and just randomly buying sensors off the shelf, without even tweaking the circuitry. Just having DRAM would atleast double the readout speed (of the present 60fps at full res), if not quadruple it. And having Native ISOs set at ISO400 and ISO6400, along with 14-bit RAW would really help with noise and to push exposure latitude and also improve dynamic range (usable). Panasonic had been releasing some crappy cameras lately like the G100. Also it didn't advertise enough when it had the GX80, G7 and so many 9ther capable 4k cameras. IMHO they also need to Get Rid of their Advertising Agency, globally, and find someojenway more capable.

Olympus is a dead camera company. Its surprisingly that they survived so long, despite the extremely high levels of corruption (unaccounted for spending and money laundering). Maybe their superb engineers pushed their downfall by a few years. Because it's a Dead Company, for cameras, it has almost nothing to lose. They don't really make Cinema Cameras and by the time their own stocks sell, they would just concentrate on their other divisions (medicial imaging and other stuff). Panasonic, fortunately or unfortunately isn't in the same boat. It had a cinema line, lots of point and shoot models, 2 clear sensor size ILC lineup, and many other camera models within its imaging division. The M43 lineup being packed up, would mean that Panasonic isn't very serious about its ILC lineup. And that, if they can pack up the M43 lineup, there is a great chance that the LMount van also pack up. And in Way less than 10 years. Panasonic's sales seem to be increasing, and the majority are obviously Not from their L-Mount. So the M43 lineup not doing well, can not be the reason. Also, Unlike Olympus, Panasonic did not have Billions of Dollars MISSING from their company. I hope that there is a GH6. Which would assure M43 and All Panasonic users that Panasonic didn't abandon its users, Well Before the whole Olympus fiasco happened. It takes atleast a few years 2-5), to plan and develop the next camera. If the GH6 is released and priced at $,2500, it would be a Monumental Disaster. People will find it difficult to justify pricing a M43 sensor camera higher than a FF sensor camera. Especially if it doesn't have RAW video. Also, I doubt whether it can offer image quality as high as an XT3 or XT4, without pushing the bit depth to 14-bit, having Dual ISO (and the second one set pretty high) and improving the overall sensor quality. IMHO, the problem with M43's image quality is more an issue with Panasonic not working hard enough on the sensor development, than one solely due to Physics or some other rubbish attributed to the M43 sensor size. Plus the M43 sensor size itself is a misnomer, with Panasonic having varying sensor sizes, the majority of which are smaller than 17.3x13mm. Even the GH5s' sensor is wider in breadth, but much narrower in height, and that's why its pixels are much smaller than they should be, and its sensor size is overall smaller than the GH5. Maybe it's high time Panasonic start planning their imaging lineup with a lot more feedback from users. They did that with the GH5, and didn't do that with the GH5s (they listened to some former BBC fuddy duddies), and that is why rahe GH5s was a damp squib. And similar things happened with many other models of theirs, after the GH5.

what profile did you shoot it in? The lens has an interesting character. I am guess, all this was internal?

I have been wondering about this for a while. I realised, from the various publications and blog posts, that almost everyone has gotten the exact specs of the GH5s (and the GH5) Sensor Wrong. It is actually a smaller sensor to the GH5, (21.63mm vs 21.77mm diagnal, or about 0.64% smaller based on the diagonal measurements, or about 10.1% according the absolute chip sizes of both, which though could be to accommodate more functions). That's why the increase in pixel size seems, curiously. too small (4.63µm vs 3.30µm), for something with almost 1/2 the MP count (10MP vs 20MP). Also, the GH5s sensor is a lot more rectangle, as compared to the GH5 sensor, which is more square. Plus, the stated MP count on the GH5s is also incorrect on the data sheet, because it only measures them according to the various aspect ratios, and conveniently doesn't mention the absolute pixel count of the sensor, and there is greater wastage in the various aspect ratios, for maximum photo or resolution. The BMPCC4k has an effective sensor area of 18.96mm x 10mm, so it has a crop very similar to the GH5s in the DCI 4k ratio. so the low light advantage of the GH5s (and the PC4k) seems mostly to do with the fabrication, quad pixel(?), and newer sensor technology. Otherwise if the sensor was the same size or larger, the pixels would have been larger than the 40% increased from the GH5. I am also curious to know what the maximum width of the M43 mount sensor can be, before the corners start getting unacceptably soft. Basically, what all this means, in layman's language, is that based solely on the sensor technology available right now, there is still a lot of juice left in M43.

Absolutely. And @Andrew Reid would be sharing some interesting insights with us, here, exactly a few mins after the official release. I am looking for improvements to both hardware and software, ergonomics, handling and experience.

I doubt whether it's as unreliable, as the R5.

More like, he has the camera on him. Has had it probably for a few weeks.

This, the GH5 already does. So having 4k/60 makes no sense. Atleast 4k at 120fps. The A7siii already offers this. Before Panasonic nobody did 10-bit video internally, either. So Panasonic must lead the way. Like Olympus and Panasonic have led the way in Mirrorless for the last decade and everyone is catching on now (with IBIS, customs buttons and functions in menu, the missing mirror, live view, 4k and 6k, limitless recording etc). e-ND seems quite possible, especially with filters growing smaller and smaller, and the fact that the eND doesn't require multiple physical NDs and so, it can be Tiny. ISO6400 is more than usable for most situations. I agree with you on this. Also, I suspect, with the current generations of sensors, the GH6 may be ok with ISO12800 with the correct noise reduction algorithms. Maybe Panasonic offer the Yagh again, Re-Designed to be 1/3rd the size of the original, with XLR and Also a Compression System for Raw. To have multiple flavours from the HDMI RAW output, for easier management of the codec (of its RAW). The GH5 already has pretty respectable rolling shutter. The R5 and A7siii apparently have even better rolling shutter. So with rhe next generation of sensor, the GH6 could easily reduce the already great rolling shutter to even lower levels. Global shutter may not be needed. The G9 offers a Lot More in terms of hardware to the GH5 (much faster burst rates for photos, better processing, much better IBIS, HighRes mode, a top LCD etc), for $999. So the GH6 could easily use the G9 body and be priced at $1599. Agree. A ToF and Laser autofocus combo could possibly even match PDAF. Agree. But they could improve it further, especially for walking while shooting video. On the G9 level (not the GH5 level). Agree. 12-bit is easily possible. If Panasonic thinks it's too much, let users pay, like they did for VLog. Another $200-300 for the key. They also need to redesign the Yagh again, with the main purpose of ompressing RAW into various compression ratios, within the Yagh, from 1/3 all the way to 1/12. They could have 14-bit RAW to ensure the image doesn't fall apart with the compression.

I believe that, and low resolution photos may have been one of the reasons for the rather disappointing sales of the GH5s, compared to the GH5.

You nailed it. I see the G9 at $999 almost everywhere. In terms of hardware it is superior to the GH5, has better photo capabilities, better low light imaging, much better burst modes, HiRes Mode, much better IBIS, better design etc. After the S5 at under $2000 with free Vlog(?), Panasonic should just resume the GH lineup, with a price between the G9 and GH series, and preferably much closer to G9. Smartphone sensors are getting bigger and their zoom and low light capabilities are growing exponentially. That's the biggest competition to ILCs. And FF cameras at $2000 are the other issue. Panasonic needs to move fast. Outline the roadmap instead of sounding confused in interviews (IR interview).

Samsung had (atleast) one paper on the organic sensor. They did test it, on paper (maybe in a few versions). I read somewhere that the Panasonic organic camera is quite power hungry, so that may be one of the reasons (among a host if other reasons), for it's slow development. I am expecting the announcement in a few weeks, and the GH6 to release by year end or very early 2021. The GH6 just needs to do 6k at 60fps. And 4k at 120fps. If the quality if the 6k of 4k is good enough, you could easily upres with great results to 8k. Maybe even good 12k. They need to work on the autofocus and the dynamic range. Everything else is pretty respectable. And I suspect rhs S5 will have mu h improved autofocus. They should just install Laser and ToF for autofocus and it will be damn close to PDAF.

It seems curious to believe that Putin would attempt to poison so many people, recently, and he fails each time? By now the Russians would be masters of toxins. It seems unbelievable to imagine that they fail.

@Márcio Kabke Pinheiro I agree with @Video Hummus. Panasonic has been giving slight hints here and there, about the GH6. I guess till the head of product launch or the head of Lumix doesn't say it, nobody can mention anything, officially. The S5 is also great in terms of pricing, because it means that the GH6 will have a price correction. The only question, though, would be by how much (I am guessing between $1500-1750, if it doesn't add some insane video features, or hardware feature, almost never seen before). I am guessing Panasonic may add 1080p at 240fps and 4k at 120fps. Also, finally full Vlog (and maybe 6k at 60p). I am guessing Panasonic may give us Hints about the GH6 on 2nd of September, during the S5 launch. Though without giving away features to expect. Only that they havent abandoned the M43 lineup or the GH6.

Yes, true. I am curious what the % improvement in battery life will be.

It probably indicated that the GH6 has not been abandoned and is on track. Also, that it's battery life will be improved, compared to the current battery, without change in size.

"Panasonic S5 set to challenge Sony A7 IV, pencilled for September 2nd reveal" This suggests the Achilles heal, the autofocus has been Fixed. "Whatever Sony have up their sleeve, it better be good because I know what full frame camera is coming next from Panasonic and it’s mightily impressive, more than you expect." This 100% confirms that the autofocus handicap had been fixed (and that it will be the first camera with the New Autofocus Transition), and also a few kickass new features too (multiple options for focussing like a proper gaffer, on film shoots). Way better image in photos. Maybe a new (higher resolution) sensor and/or much faster photo burst modes. I also suspect an improvement to VLog and or 1-2 VLog standards.

Do it before Panasonic, otherwise they will throw out an entire team. It will be like the Superman Scene from the Christopher Reeves superman film, where the artist destroys the Leaning Tower of Pisa after it is straightened and turned to tilt back again. Btw, congrats on this. I saw the video. Looks quite promising. Also the price and size seem great.

I am guessing, that, per mm of real estate, ILC sensors are a lot more expensive than smartphone sensors. Especially considering, that the smaller the size of a sensor, the lesser wastage from the original wafer, from which it is cut. That is one reason why larger sensors are a lot more expensive too. Plus even by real estate, considering that most smartphones nowadays have 3 sensors or more, smartphones sensors probably sell a lot more than any other sensor category. So maybe that's why Samsung realises, that ILC sensors are probably, not that profitable. And they don't want to be in a market that is more niche. I guess you're kindda right. Wiring of the sensor would determine both bit depth, and dynamic range. So theoretically, if a smartphone sensor and a medium format sensor, both had the same pixel density, same bit depth, same average voltage (at the pixel level?), and similar processing, then the smartphone and medium format camera should both produce similar dynamic range, as well as exposure latitude. Obviously cooling, like you mentioned ensures that processing isn't hampered in any way, thereby compromising image quality. When the GH5 came out, I noticed that DXO Mark rated it at 13 stops of dynamic range, which was more than many APS-C and even a few FF sensors.

They did reach 24% Market Share for one of the quarters this or last year. Also, Samsung has planned to reach 50% Market Share (not sure if it is 5 years or 10 years), so it has no reason not to be ambitious.