sanveer

I agree. Sony suddenly does have the great leap it did, in dynamic range either. Hopefully it puts intense pressure on Sony to improve the next generation of Image Sensors, espefor ILCs to perform even better. Canon tried to do a Sony. There wasn't any need to make small FF cameras. Especially if they handicapped performance so greatly.

The sensor already has AF points (/pixels) on it. So Panasonic doesn't really have to re-invent the wheel. The recording limitations the inability to cool down. They should set the recording limitation by way of firmware instead of trying to cripple by keeping all components too close go each other, and have no heat sink of any kind.

It's actually a HUGE Shame. Canon had actually created a sensor for the R5 that has the performance of the class leading benchmark scores and even better. It has way lesser rolling shutter than anything Sony produces in 45MP, has superb dynamic rance, has 12 Stops of dynamic range with Clog 1 (which should go up another 1-1.5 stops with Clog 3), and so many great video frame rates. It also has probably class video autofocus. So for Photography it's a monster. But some jackass in Canon decided to keep this the size of a pocket pooch, so that it starts over heating even before one starts rolling. So it's basically unreliable for video. And what's with the dual cards, but you can't use them simultaneously as a backup in case of care failure or some other glitch. Why could Canon have had 2 card card slots and with the capability to record both simultaneously. The terrible mini HDMI can also be overlooked, if these are sorted. But what a monumental waste of arguably the best sensor in an ILC that has ever been created. Sony probably seems to triple its R&D budget to counter this one. Canon should just sell the sensor to Panasonic and let them make magic with it.

All I know, right now, is that Canon and spineless YouTube influencers are trying to tell us half truths and lots of lies. I will let early users and non-paid reviewers give us the realm picture. From reasonably honest reviewers, it isnt looking very good for Canon. For a camera they have had in the offing since Adam and Eve, that isn't a good sign. And especially when they were all over, even before they actually released. Dependability should be the No.1 requirement for a camera, especially for this price point and the targeted demographics.

You do realise that it overheats when it is switched on, regardless sof whether you shoot photo or video. Which means, if you shoot enough photo, it will overheat then, as well. So it's not an issues endemic to shooting video alone. As long as the camera switches on, it is overheating.

Which seems to corroborate the idea that Canon is recalling its R5 and R6 lineup, due to terrible heat management issue. Heating up is Not the issue, the inability to cool down, even after the camera has been switched off is.

If Panasonic the GH6 or GH6s anywhere over $2000, it will be a monumental disaster. M43 has always maintained the price and size advantage over FF and even APS-C (apart from reliability). It's already lost the size advantage, thanks to terribly size FF and APS-C cameras, and the ever increasing size of M43. If they lose the price advantage too, they are doomed. I also feel, Panasonic needs to fix the HDMI lag (apart from the slow and often unreliable video autofocus).

And Panasonic absolutely needs PDAF. There is no alternative to it.

I couldn't agree more. The R6 is $2499, the R5 is $3899 and the A7siii is $3498. Out of these, only 2 are Hybrids, and the A7siii can solely be used for video. All 3 seem to have overheating issues, and their battery life is still to be tested. And then there are all sorts of crop factors, further in video, and rolling shutter seems to have improved, but an M43 sensor should offer vastly imporoved rolling shutter, for the same generation sensor technology. Because the R6 is $2499, the R5 is $3899 and the A7siii is $3498, Panasonic should target both the GH6 and GH6s (If a GH6s is required) at $1750 each (Or lower, considering the XT3 and XT4). That would be half the price of the A7siii, and offer many advantages over that camera and many disadvantages compared to it too. I suddenly feel that the bit-depth should be increased to 16-bit, from the present 12-bit. It will help improve the photographic capabilities of the GH line, and also improve how it handles the image in general, helping with exposure latitude that is usually a weakness of the M43 photographic cameras. Panasonic also should avoid the specs race for EVF and few other things, to ensure perfect cost cutting, without compromising features. I have a few more ideas to help gear up the GH6 Series, to make them relevant for another 3-4 years, with the right features.

You articulated it precisely. FF cameras have to be huge, to be able to manage reliability issues. The 5D's all the way upto Mark iv only has like 30 mins of recording time, and half or less of that with higher frame rates. And the 1Dx is HUGE, even compared to something like the S1H (though, to be fair, it has a hugh attached battery grip). I agree. People say full frame all the time, like camera sensors larger and smaller than it, are somehow greatly inferior. Which is not even remotely the case. Overheating during video seems to still be a huge issue with many ILCs, and that includes FF and APS-C cameras, that try and cram larger sensors into proportionally smaller bodies and also have lousy heat sinks. Panasonic has to make a precise effort to only improve everything that the GH5 and GH5s have, and use these cameras to attract the M43 camera audience of BMCC4k and ZCam. While it can never replace RAW (with anything except perhaps RAW), it can offer advantages that actual cinema cameras will never have like weather sealing, IBIS, the ability to be used for photography with ease, ease of use, extremely ergonomics design, great battery life and usable almost right out of the box etc. The FF depth of field is almost like a joke. I noticed that a lot of TV episodes shot on the 5D have such terrible focus issues, and because the DoF is so thin, its almost impossible to get it right at higher apertures, without superb autofocus. Also, for wildlife too, at higher apertures, opened wide, it would blur the background and perhaps parts of a subject's face too much. M43 is 1/4th the sensor size of FF (actually the proportion is 1/3.6th for non MARs Sensors and the GH5s sensor is even larger). Therefore Full Frame will always offer better exposure latitude, better low light and better dynamic range. Though the XT3/XT4 (and even Nikon APS-C offerings such as the D700 and other after that), have shown, that the returns are diminishing and marginal, as the sensor and pixel size keeps increasing. Also, 13-14 sops for video as SNR of 1 seems possible and more in the ball park of 12 usable stops at SNR of 2 seems reasonable. So, M43 cameras can be reasonably close to FF in quality, at a much greater price advantage. And way greater reliability.

At 1:21:30 onwards, without explicitly saying it, Sean Baker implies that things are in the offing. Meaning the GH5 successor, and that users should just be a little more patient. I have to agree with you. M43 could easily get a new video sensor (or 2), that have atleast another 0.5 to 1 stop more dynamic range than what is already on the GH5 and GH5s, along with much higher frame rates. Panasonic should just hurry up with that. They could release the camera at the end of the year, but they should atleast start giving us hints and posting rumors on M43rumors.com. Sometimes curiously does kill the cat 😉

Any idea about the bitrates?

Like I mentioned above. A face off between the Sony and the Canons. For overheating.

Very likely that the Sony is (incorrectly?) being sounded for overheating by the direct sunlight, mistaking it for sensor overheating (since the body records the temperature, it mistakes dissipation from the sensor to direct heating of the body). That's an interesting little circus trick that the Sony has.

The Sony and Canons need a serious face off. And the S1H to the mix, for the purpose of getting the ballpark right.

That's primarily an issue with the mount size (circumpherence) to sensor size (diagonal). There isn't much wiggle room. That's a design flaw. They started with APS-C and then Full Frame happened in the design stage. Or they wanted to make it the chihuahua of APS-C/FF ILCs.

Without external recorders and other ideas for dissipating heat. No lenses which aren't black either. White lenses will obviously absorb less heat.

I would agree. Reviewers need to test all cameras with exact temperatures and time durations mentioned. Between the S1H, A7siii, R5 and R6. From 21 to 36°C, and in the shade and in direct sunlight. Though in direct sunlight the camera body absorbs a lot more light, due to urs colour. So that should be tye ultimate pressure test.

Canon had stated 30 mins in most cases at 23°C. Sony states 1 hour or until the battery drains at 25°. I am guessing neither is superb., but Sony's claims are conservative compared to the actual performance. I've had a camera shut down in direct sunlight once (though that was at 40-46°C). Everyone should keep mentioning the temperature, in the shade and in the sun, indoors or outdoors. Camera makers can't be forgiven for making cameras that only work in the air conditioner temperature ranges (16-25°C). That's a camera for little children, not a professional work horses.

It does have. At ISO640 and ISO16000. And the ISO performance has been stated to be better by 1 stop from all mid to high ISOs.

Btw, I think he also said the A7siii has about 1.5 more stops of dynamic range than the R5(?). But I am guessing that was tested with the Clog 1. Clog 3 should have probably another 1.5 stops more of dynamic range. So they should be similar with that update.

It has 10% crop in quite a few modes. Which isn't a big deal TBO

Excellent first review. He noticed that it does indeed have 15.1 stops at 1 SNR and about 13 stops at 2 SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio). Also his tests seem more convincing that C5D. He also tested the rolling shutter and it seems way lesser than the A7iii. I noticed that there doesn't appear to be any DCI 4k modes and everything is QHD only. Not that it's terrible or anything, but just it out there. Sony had advertised the Ambient Shooting Temperature as 25° where it records at 4k 24p 10-bit for 1 hour or until the battery runs out. Sony, unlike Canon have been generous since almost no reviewer said it overheated and wasn't usable after that. One said it overheated but after an hour or so. And then he got another take after that. And he didn't have to use a blower or ice or fridge. He also noticed that the camera seems to have Dual ISO at ISO640 and .... .... ... ISO16000. Which is INSANE. Which means that at super high ISO upto 51200, it should clean as a whistle. I am actually looking forward to his Dynamic Range Tests. Which seem very interesting.

Premieres in about 30 mins

Maybe, as long as it doesn't barbeque the memory cards, like the competition 😉